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Indian Army Wants to phase out Maruti Gypsy , Search begins for new 4×4

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The Maruti Suzuki Gypsy, a dated but highly capable SUV, known as the mountain goat in many off roading circles, may be staring down the barrel. The Indian army, the largest customer of the Gypsy plans to phase out this SUV in favour of a new SUV with improved specifications. The improved specifications include a diesel engine, ABS, Twin Airbags, an 800 Kilogram payload, power windows and a five door design. The Gypsy, in its present guise, does not meet any of the above specifications and this has led to the speculation that the off roader might have reached the end of the road.

Gypsy SUV

When it was launched in 1985, the sleek but still rugged lines of the Gypsy made it an instant hit, although that popularity never really translated into massive sales figures.The numbers and the ubiquity came when law-enforcement agencies around the country and the armed forces began adding the sports utility vehicle (SUV), originally based on the Suzuki Jimny, to their fleets. The more agile, petrol-driven Gypsy was preferred over the slower, diesel-driven vehicles that had until then proliferated within the ranks of the police and the services.But the sales of the Gypsy to the armed forces may dry up, according to five people familiar with the matter who declined to be identified.

Will this be the end of the road for the vehicle, given that its biggest customer, the Indian Army, wants a sturdier vehicle with more modern features?When the Indian Army sought bids for the 800kg general service vehicle category, Maruti didn’t participate as it doesn’t have one that meets the requirements. Maruti’s Gypsy sells in the 500kg general service vehicle category.

Rivals such as Tata Motors Ltd, Mahindra and Mahindra Ltd and Nissan Motor Co. have bid for the contract for 30,000 vehicles valued at Rs.3,000 crore, according to the people cited above.These people said that once an 800kg vehicle is selected, it will start replacing the Gypsy.Features being sought include airbags, anti-lock braking systems, air-conditioning, power windows, five doors and central locking—specifications absent in the Gypsy, which pretty much still looks the way it did in 1985.“This is a part of the fleet modernization process of the army and the changes have been sought as Gypsy has become obsolete with time,” said one of the people cited above. “The army changed the requirements in 2010 and they (Maruti Suzuki) did not participate for the 800kg class 4×4 general service vehicle tender as Gypsy could not meet the above mentioned new requirements.”

A senior Maruti official speaking on condition of anonymity said that while it did not participate in the bid for the 800kg category, this doesn’t mean that the army will stop using the Gypsy.The “army has never said that the 500kg category will not exist. Maybe both of these categories may co-exist. So to say that the army will stop procuring Gypsys will be far-fetched,” he said.However, the request for the proposal issued by the army has mentioned that “minimum requirement for general service vehicle” is 800kg. Currently, Maruti’s Gypsy is sold in that (500kg) category.A Maruti Suzuki spokesperson, responding to a detailed questionnaire, said, “We have supplied over 27,000 Gyspsys and continue to serve the Indian Army.” He didn’t respond to other questions sent by email.

The Gypsy, along with Mahindra’s MM550, was inducted into the Indian Army in 1985 and Maruti has been selling roughly 3,000 units a year to the armed forces?ever since. Maruti has supplied more than 27,000 Gypsys to the army, a company spokesperson said.A Tata Motors spokesman confirmed that it has bid but declined to give further details. A Mahindra and Mahindra defence division spokesperson declined to comment on the matter. An email sent to the Nissan India spokesperson declined to comment. Emails sent to the spokespersons of the army and defence ministry remained unanswered till press time.

While Mahindra is said to be sending a prototype based on its Scorpio SUV, the Tata Motors’s prototype will be based on the Safari platform. Nissan, participating in a defence procurement bid for the first time in India, will send a prototype based on its X-Trail SUV. There is an old Indian Army connection with the Japanese company, however, through the P60 SUV?that Nissan introduced in the 1960s. It was modified into the Jabalpur Ordnance and Guncarriage Assembly—Jonga for short.Price bids for the Indian Army vehicle tender will be opened after technical clearance is given to the prototypes. Testing will begin by the end of this month after the companies submit their sample vehicles by 15 April.

“The tender will be awarded to the lowest bidder,” said one of the people cited above. “It will be a phase-wise purchase and the army will replace its entire fleet of Gypsys in some years. However, the new general service vehicles will only be a part of the army from 2017 as the process of bidding and placing orders normally takes three-four years.”The army will gradually stop procuring Gypsy SUVs and the vehicle will eventually be phased out, the person said.The Gypsy’s exit from the army had already been on the cards, said Deba R. Mohanty, chairman and chief knowledge officer, Indicia Research and Advisory. “I presume that Maruti may not be meeting the new requirements. Having said that, I think it will be a huge order and augurs well for the Indian companies involved in it.”

Other requirements that the Gypsy won’t meet include the stipulations about being diesel driven, having a minimum 120 horse power, compliant with Bharat Stage (BS) III and BS IV environmental norms and weighing 800kg or above, apart from climbing ability.Maruti doesn’t want to upgrade the Gypsy or develop a new platform as the cost involved wouldn’t be justified by the numbers it could sell, according to another company official.“The numbers that we sell to the army are substantially low as compared with our other models,” said the Maruti official. “Hence, it does not make sense to invest in developing a new platform altogether specifically for the army. We have enough demand coming from the commercial car market and the focus is to meet that demand.”

Also, Maruti doesn’t have a powerful diesel engine in its portfolio that could compete with those of the Safari or the Scorpio. In India, Maruti gets the 1300cc-diesel engine that it uses in several vehicles from Fiat SpA. Developing a new platform for a vehicle costs about Rs.800-Rs.1000 crore, according to experts.
Indian Army Wants to phase out Maruti Gypsy , Search begins for new 4×4 | idrw.org
 
Anyone remembers the IA Jonga Jeeps of an era gone into memory lanes? :)
 
Indian Army Wants to phase out Maruti Gypsy , Search begins for new 4×4

800px-Maruti_jeep.jpg


The Maruti Suzuki Gypsy, a dated but highly capable SUV, known as the mountain goat in many off roading circles, may be staring down the barrel. The Indian army, the largest customer of the Gypsy plans to phase out this SUV in favour of a new SUV with improved specifications. The improved specifications include a diesel engine, ABS, Twin Airbags, an 800 Kilogram payload, power windows and a five door design. The Gypsy, in its present guise, does not meet any of the above specifications and this has led to the speculation that the off roader might have reached the end of the road.

Gypsy SUV

When it was launched in 1985, the sleek but still rugged lines of the Gypsy made it an instant hit, although that popularity never really translated into massive sales figures.The numbers and the ubiquity came when law-enforcement agencies around the country and the armed forces began adding the sports utility vehicle (SUV), originally based on the Suzuki Jimny, to their fleets. The more agile, petrol-driven Gypsy was preferred over the slower, diesel-driven vehicles that had until then proliferated within the ranks of the police and the services.But the sales of the Gypsy to the armed forces may dry up, according to five people familiar with the matter who declined to be identified.

Will this be the end of the road for the vehicle, given that its biggest customer, the Indian Army, wants a sturdier vehicle with more modern features?When the Indian Army sought bids for the 800kg general service vehicle category, Maruti didn’t participate as it doesn’t have one that meets the requirements. Maruti’s Gypsy sells in the 500kg general service vehicle category.

Rivals such as Tata Motors Ltd, Mahindra and Mahindra Ltd and Nissan Motor Co. have bid for the contract for 30,000 vehicles valued at Rs.3,000 crore, according to the people cited above.These people said that once an 800kg vehicle is selected, it will start replacing the Gypsy.Features being sought include airbags, anti-lock braking systems, air-conditioning, power windows, five doors and central locking—specifications absent in the Gypsy, which pretty much still looks the way it did in 1985.“This is a part of the fleet modernization process of the army and the changes have been sought as Gypsy has become obsolete with time,” said one of the people cited above. “The army changed the requirements in 2010 and they (Maruti Suzuki) did not participate for the 800kg class 4×4 general service vehicle tender as Gypsy could not meet the above mentioned new requirements.”

A senior Maruti official speaking on condition of anonymity said that while it did not participate in the bid for the 800kg category, this doesn’t mean that the army will stop using the Gypsy.The “army has never said that the 500kg category will not exist. Maybe both of these categories may co-exist. So to say that the army will stop procuring Gypsys will be far-fetched,” he said.However, the request for the proposal issued by the army has mentioned that “minimum requirement for general service vehicle” is 800kg. Currently, Maruti’s Gypsy is sold in that (500kg) category.A Maruti Suzuki spokesperson, responding to a detailed questionnaire, said, “We have supplied over 27,000 Gyspsys and continue to serve the Indian Army.” He didn’t respond to other questions sent by email.

The Gypsy, along with Mahindra’s MM550, was inducted into the Indian Army in 1985 and Maruti has been selling roughly 3,000 units a year to the armed forces?ever since. Maruti has supplied more than 27,000 Gypsys to the army, a company spokesperson said.A Tata Motors spokesman confirmed that it has bid but declined to give further details. A Mahindra and Mahindra defence division spokesperson declined to comment on the matter. An email sent to the Nissan India spokesperson declined to comment. Emails sent to the spokespersons of the army and defence ministry remained unanswered till press time.

While Mahindra is said to be sending a prototype based on its Scorpio SUV, the Tata Motors’s prototype will be based on the Safari platform. Nissan, participating in a defence procurement bid for the first time in India, will send a prototype based on its X-Trail SUV. There is an old Indian Army connection with the Japanese company, however, through the P60 SUV?that Nissan introduced in the 1960s. It was modified into the Jabalpur Ordnance and Guncarriage Assembly—Jonga for short.Price bids for the Indian Army vehicle tender will be opened after technical clearance is given to the prototypes. Testing will begin by the end of this month after the companies submit their sample vehicles by 15 April.

“The tender will be awarded to the lowest bidder,” said one of the people cited above. “It will be a phase-wise purchase and the army will replace its entire fleet of Gypsys in some years. However, the new general service vehicles will only be a part of the army from 2017 as the process of bidding and placing orders normally takes three-four years.”The army will gradually stop procuring Gypsy SUVs and the vehicle will eventually be phased out, the person said.The Gypsy’s exit from the army had already been on the cards, said Deba R. Mohanty, chairman and chief knowledge officer, Indicia Research and Advisory. “I presume that Maruti may not be meeting the new requirements. Having said that, I think it will be a huge order and augurs well for the Indian companies involved in it.”

Other requirements that the Gypsy won’t meet include the stipulations about being diesel driven, having a minimum 120 horse power, compliant with Bharat Stage (BS) III and BS IV environmental norms and weighing 800kg or above, apart from climbing ability.Maruti doesn’t want to upgrade the Gypsy or develop a new platform as the cost involved wouldn’t be justified by the numbers it could sell, according to another company official.“The numbers that we sell to the army are substantially low as compared with our other models,” said the Maruti official. “Hence, it does not make sense to invest in developing a new platform altogether specifically for the army. We have enough demand coming from the commercial car market and the focus is to meet that demand.”

Also, Maruti doesn’t have a powerful diesel engine in its portfolio that could compete with those of the Safari or the Scorpio. In India, Maruti gets the 1300cc-diesel engine that it uses in several vehicles from Fiat SpA. Developing a new platform for a vehicle costs about Rs.800-Rs.1000 crore, according to experts.
Indian Army Wants to phase out Maruti Gypsy , Search begins for new 4×4 | idrw.org

i dont know. but in this current tender mahindra sending its scorpio SUV prototype.


I wonder if this is the prototype Mahindra are sending, it is based on the Scorpio:

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Interesting Nissan are bidding, would be intersting to see what they've put foreward based on the X-TRAIL:

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The Indian SOFs have their own separate program to replace the Gypsy and their LSV deal will be concluded quite soon.
 
I wonder if this is the prototype Mahindra are sending, it is based on the Scorpio:

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Interesting Nissan are bidding, would be intersting to see what they've put foreward based on the X-TRAIL:

2012-Nissan-X-Trail-Platinum-Edition.jpg




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The Indian SOFs have their own separate program to replace the Gypsy and their LSV deal will be concluded quite soon.


They better go with Mahindra or tata not some foreign firms
 
In this I agree, unless a foreign firm can outbid Indian companies and is willing to set up production in India (which is a given). Indian firms should win only on merit.

even for a simple thing such as this we don't have to rely on foreign firms even if they are willing to do what every they want yeah if their products are a better then fine but not in any other case
we need to bring jobs in our own country & considering the situation of our country we better invest it back here
 
Wasnt TATA AXE shelved? also whats the engine capacity of suzuki gypsy? 800cc? :lol:
 
Anyone remembers the IA Jonga Jeeps of an era gone into memory lanes? :)

I spent a long time of my life in a jonga . my dad had one assigned to him . then came the gypsy in Delhi cant . i still missed the jonga though .

the army must have lacs of gypsies , wonder if they will sell them :D would not mind buying one.
 
even for a simple thing such as this we don't have to rely on foreign firms even if they are willing to do what every they want yeah if their products are a better then fine but not in any other case
we need to bring jobs in our own country & considering the situation of our country we better invest it back here

Of course, I am not saying discount Indian firms just because they are Indian but if they can't meet the IA's strict requirements. In this case I have no doubt the likes of giants like TATA and M&M are more than able to deliver a high-quality off-roader for the IA considering their size, expertise and the civilian SUVs they produce. Either way production will happen in India, there's no way 30,000+ SUVs would be made anywhere else but India to meet the needs of the IA and considering the order will grow exponentially when the IN,IAF and CAPFs who also use the Gypsy now decide to follow the IA's lead and replace the Gypsy.

Wasnt TATA AXE shelved? also whats the engine capacity of suzuki gypsy? 800cc? :lol:
MAHINDRA AXE was not ordered and as such Mahindra have gone down a different route aka:

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larger, more powerful and more useful to the IA.


The base model of the Gypsy was 800CC but the IA customised the machine as per their needs and hence more specilised versions for the likes of the Mountains or SFs were made.
 
Of course, I am not saying discount Indian firms just because they are Indian but if they can't meet the IA's strict requirements. In this case I have no doubt the likes of giants like TATA and M&M are more than able to deliver a high-quality off-roader for the IA considering their size, expertise and the civilian SUVs they produce. Either way production will happen in India, there's no way 30,000+ SUVs would be made anywhere else but India to meet the needs of the IA and considering the order will grow exponentially when the IN,IAF and CAPFs who also use the Gypsy now decide to follow the IA's lead and replace the Gypsy.


MAHINDRA AXE was not ordered and as such Mahindra have gone down a different route aka:

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larger, more powerful and more useful to the IA.


The base model of the Gypsy was 800CC but the IA customised the machine as per their needs and hence more specilised versions for the likes of the Mountains or SFs were made.

Pak armys land cruisers have 42-4500 cc engines... real gass guzzlers... anyways... thts a nice looking vehicle...:tup:
 
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