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Indian Army soldier demands justice for brother lynched in Nagaland.

You have no Idea about culture & history of Seven sisters of NE. Adios. I would prefer to discuss with someone with relevent knowledge. Jeez. :hitwall:

@halupridol @The Huskar @zootinali


Sad state of affairs but tell me one thing honestly, do you really think - bjp can do anything about it - i have heard many rhetorics by the likes of Sarbananda Sonowal that once they are in power they'll do this and that, but am skeptical whether these are just harpings for power or they really mean it? Even if they mean it how will they achieve it with aiudf?
 
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Sad state of affairs but tell me one thing honestly, do you really think - bjp can do anything about it - i have heard many rhetorics by the likes of Sarbananda Sonowal that once they are in power they'll do this and that, but am skeptical whether these are just harpings for power or they really mean it? Even if they mean it how will they achieve it with aiudf?

If you ask me, I would say no. I think future of Assam is doomed. Within a couple of dacade Illegal Bangladeshi muslims will be majority if NRC is not honestly updated. I am not religiously biased. Local muslims living here for centuries has adopted Assamese language & culture, contributing hugely towards our society. Likes of former President of India Fakharuddin Ali Ahmed, Haider hussain, eitor in chief, Axomiya Pratidin Newspaper are a few we look highly upon. But the illegal immigrants , contrary to their predecesors, instead of becoming part of the society, creating all kind of nuisense like rape, thug, burglerry, extremism to name a few.
I stay ammended, " Each & every migrant entering Assam after assam accord was signed must be deported "
Otherwise, not long before sacraterian violance will take place in this region.
 
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I hope his family receive justice & all the culprits are put behind bars, if it would have been a Hindu mob that have lynched his brother instead of christian I wonder what type of reaction we might have seen in our sickular media & esteem Hindu hater TT of PDF like syedali73 & company
 
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no point explaining ,,,,,they felt more compassion for peshawar victims thn they ever felt for us,,,be it fb,twitter,or any othr platform,,the overflow of compassion bewildered me,,this is just one innocent,,do they care for thousands tht have perished in the last two decades,,,most probably not,,,most dont even know the name of capitals of NE states ,,,this kind of mob justice was bound to happen,,,it very unfortunate tht victim was Indian,,,,total failure of governance.n lets be clear this incident made the news only n only coz victim was muslim,,
but yes perpetrators shud face justice....
Let's ignore these morons because they don't know a sh*t about the North Eastern part of India and for the record i support the lynching as the victim was a "rapist" after all and hence got what he deserved.Personally,i think that every rapist should be lynched by the common people instead of arresting them and filing expensive lawsuits against those animals:coffee:.
 
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Otherwise a mob of 5000 people attacking a police station, abducting an undertrial, stripping and parading him naked, dragging him through the streets, beating him to death while recording the entire episode on cell phones to be gleefully watched later and circulated on the social media, would not have become news? If he was not a muslim? Much less shocking events make it to the news, irrespective of the religion of the victim. The reason it made news and shocked the consience of the country was because of the barbarity and cruelty, and not because of his religion.
yes,this incident making national news has lot to do wid his religion.
u think,,,this is cruel,,,,,what about dozens being burned alive every year accused of witchcraft,,,n oh yes they r filmed too,,what about 100+ adivasis,including little children, killed last winter,,I doubt ppl even noticed.
fact, on the contrary - it is because he was a muslim that some people are offering feeble justifications, and instead of simply condemning the perpetrators, trying to picture the perpetrators as victims of illegal immigration and whatnot. None of these "oh its the previous govt's fault" or "oh so many illegal immigrants" or "they in the NE hate Bangladeshis" would have been remarked here, had the victim not been a muslim. Now that we know he was a muslim, irrelevant explanations are being given to explain and almost excuse the mob frenzy.
shud I apologize on behalf of religious nutjobs of pdf,,,,,??btw,,yes this is failure of govt.,,,,yes we have a great illegal immigration issue,,,n again yes,,,most ne ppl,,,specialy tribals hate bangladesis.
your post, in a part that I have not quoted, and in some other posts, there is this talk of "it is unfortunate that the victim was Indian." Victim of what, exactly? Was this a case of shooting an enemy, but accidentally hitting a friend? Was he an unfortunate collateral damage? No, he wasn't - he was the intended victim.
victim of mob violence,,,is it difficult to undrstnd
Let's be clear about this - that mob of 5000 men and women were eagerly, gleefully, sadistically watching the whole episode, with malicious pleasure. If they wanted, they could have easily ascertained his nationality, especially since he has 3 family members in the armed forces. A mob of 5000 doesn't just pop up in a trice - they had to plan and organize and consiously orchestrate it. In a fraction of the time and effort that it took them to even present themselves, they could have established his identity. They were just not interested - they were there to humiliate and torture a man, and have a day of fun for themselves in the process.
yeah right,,,,evil tribal nagas,,is it any different frm any othr incident of mob justice,,,,??
have u followed the incident,,before n aftr the killing?
@The_Sidewinder help her out...
about ascertaining nationality,,,,,,even GOI have failed,,,last time they tried there was a huge protest frm minorities.....n it had to be cancelled.....n illegal BDs have more identification documents thn me..n him having relatives in army wud not really help,,,army is not really looked upto in Nagaland.

If anything, his religion is the reason it happened at all - not the reason that it got publicity. The reason for the latter is, quite simply, the sheer brutality of the mob.
not religion,,,,real reason is ethnicity.n sheer hate for bangladesi immigrats,,,,they have made a name for thmselves
all that said,,,,what happened was very wrong,,,,,,nobody can deny tht.nothng can justify it.
 
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If you ask me, I would say no. I think future of Assam is doomed. Within a couple of dacade Illegal Bangladeshi muslims will be majority if NRC is not honestly updated. I am not religiously biased. Local muslims living here for centuries has adopted Assamese language & culture, contributing hugely towards our society. Likes of former President of India Fakharuddin Ali Ahmed, Haider hussain, eitor in chief, Axomiya Pratidin Newspaper are a few we look highly upon. But the illegal immigrants , contrary to their predecesors, instead of becoming part of the society, creating all kind of nuisense like rape, thug, burglerry, extremism to name a few.
I stay ammended, " Each & every migrant entering Assam after assam accord was signed must be deported "
Otherwise, not long before sacraterian violance will take place in this region.

Yea that's what am asking will aiudf ever allow ncr updation?
 
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Let's ignore these morons because they don't know a sh*t about the North Eastern part of India and for the record i support the lynching as the victim was a "rapist" after all and hence got what he deserved.Personally,i think that every rapist should be lynched by the common people instead of arresting them and filing expensive lawsuits against those animals:coffee:.
u seem unaware too,,,,he was allegedly a rapist,,,crowd went to the police station ,,,protested for 2days thn took matter in there own hand,,,medical examination of the victim didnt ascertain rape,,,,,killing someone on mere allegation,,,,,lynching him,,,wth??
 
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Let's ignore these morons because they don't know a sh*t about the North Eastern part of India and for the record i support the lynching as the victim was a "rapist" after all and hence got what he deserved.Personally,i think that every rapist should be lynched by the common people instead of arresting them and filing expensive lawsuits against those animals:coffee:.



.....and you made that determination on what insight?
 
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Yea that's what am asking will aiudf ever allow ncr updation?

Yes,AAMSU & AIUDF will be the biggest hinderances towards NRC updation. They are powerless if central govt acts with determination & gritt & uses all its resources for success of the process. If Aiudf turns violent, it will only ascertain their illegitimacy. Thats what I think.

@ayesha.a

it has nothing to do with religion. Naga's are tribal people, like any other tribes in north east, respects their women & tries to protect them from all the crimes commited against them. Even if he was a Assamese or bengali whatever, he was seen as an outsider who raped their girl. The rumour that an illegal immigrant did it, flared up their sentiment. & the builup has been happening since 1971.

Only solution is to update NRC & Deport the immigranst. But most of them belong to muslim minority, that being said, they have already became majority in 31 Bidhan Sabha seats in lower Assam & Barak valley. Last time, NRC updation process started in 2011, on the first day itself, AAMSU & AIUDF assembled masses & stopped the process violantly citing incoming harrasment to minority. To be honest, NRC being updated in entire NE region, but why only a select few of lower Assam has problems with it. Why minority living in other part of the region are not bothered by it.

Answer is simple, fear of being caught out. Anti social element of illegal bangladeshis has created all kind of nuisense accross Assam, rape & burglary, car theft to name a few. And they are not tollerent towards other religions. They cry for greater Bangladesh, threaten by asking for different state, which are not being entertained by those muslims who has been living in the area for centuries. Mismatch is evident from these acts.

I am not trying to justify the lyncing, but you stating that religion has all to do with is just bias foul cry. I hope justice will be served to his family.
 
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Should I take it as critisism or Complement??? :close_tema:

@Didact
I am not supporting lyncing of a fellow Indian. He was mistaken for wrong Identity. I hope justice will be served. I was just trying to put focus over the root cause of the problem. :sarcastic:

Ignore the idiots
Simple as that
On topic
Justice must be delivered
 
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www.asianage.com/columnists/fluid-identities-649


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The recent lynching of Syed Sharifuddin Khan, a man accused of rape, in Dimapur, Nagaland, raised several uncomfortable questions. One of these was whether the man would have suffered the fate he did if he had not been wrongly identified in local news reports as an “illegal Bangladeshi immigrant”.
A “what if” is always a hard question to answer. However, what has happened in living memory can be stated with a fair degree of confidence.
In India’s Northeast, starting with Assam in 1960, there have been waves of ethnic cleansing in which Bengalis were the principal targets. The violence spread to Meghalaya in 1979 where local organisations, led by the Khasi Students Union, organised violence that targeted anyone who was not a tribal. The principal targets of attacks were the Bengali and Nepali-speaking minorities. All Bengalis, including those born and brought up in Shillong, were targeted as Bangladeshis.
Horrific crimes were committed against Bengalis, both Hindu and Muslim, in various places across the Northeast. The single worst instance of this was the Nellie massacre in Assam, in which according to official figures, 2,191 people were slaughtered in one night.Thirty-two years have passed, yet not a single person has been convicted for those murders till date. The shrill cries for justice that rise at the mention of Gujarat 2002 are not, and never have been, heard at the mention of Nellie 1983. No minister or politician became a figure of hate after that massacre.

In Shillong, 1987 was a year the curfews lasted longer than usual. Schools and colleges remained shut through the year. I don’t remember if it was that year or some other year — because violence was an annual occurrence — that Gauri Dey, a married woman, was dragged out of her home, gang-raped and killed by having a stick forced into her. There was no 24x7 television in those days, and no Internet. You won’t find a documentary calling her India’s Daughter. You won’t even find a story on Google. The story never got out. No one was ever convicted for the crime.
The attacks on Bengalis and Nepalis, marked as “foreigners”, was xenophobia driven by racism. The creation of Bengali as a foreign race in Northeast India is a product of colonial effort. Professor David Ludden, a noted historian from New York University, in an academic paper published in 2003 — The First Boundary of Bangladesh on Sylhet’s Northern Frontiers — wrote about the separation of the Bengali and Khasi lands and identities. Around 1780, this was the position according to him: “North of the Surma, northwest of Sylhet town, ethnic communities of frontier settlers, called Bengali Khasias, had arisen from alliances between mountain Khasias and lowland Bengalis; and they had once respected Mughals and Nawabs, inside the jaghir of Omaid Reza, yet remained independent of Company Raj”.
The East India Company sought to extend Company Raj. It was this process that produced new boundaries and created impermeable barriers between the Bengali, Khasi and Jaintia identities.
Ludden wrote in his conclusion: “Before 1790, northeastern frontiers of Bengal remained as open to mobility as they had been during Mughal times and before… In 1790, British military victories in lowland forest frontiers of northern Sylhet and Khasia military victories in the mountains above combined to produce the first boundary in the region that endeavoured specifically to restrict mobility from one side to the other. This political boundary became a social boundary on both sides.”
Jaintiapur, the erstwhile capital of the tribal Jaintia kings, is now in Bangladesh. There are still Khasi, Jaintia, Assamese and Manipuri populations on both sides of the Bangla border. In other words, there are Manipuri, Khasi, Jaintia and Assamese Bangladeshis.
The Assamese language itself is very similar to Bengali. So is the script. The religions are shared, with local variations. The food is similar. The name Kamrupa, which is now associated with Assam, refers to a kingdom that once covered large areas of West Bengal and what is now Bangladesh. At different times extending even up to the 20th century, East Bengal and Assam remained under the same administration. Shillong was the summer capital of both.
However, all this is forgotten. The land and people have always existed, but a border drawn on a map less than 70 years ago by an Englishman tore the social fabric in irreparable ways. The resultant violence caused amnesia about history.
Talk among tribal groups these days, and for many years before, has been about purity of blood. Filmmaker Wanphrang Diengdoh’s documentary, Where the Clouds End, shows a leader of the Khasi Students' Union making this point. It also shows the existence of rituals by which men of other ethnicities who married Khasi women could be inducted into the tribe.
The idea that ethnic identities are written in blood is actually one of the most pernicious and incorrect ideas in existence. That people can change religions is known. That they can also change linguistic and cultural identities is forgotten. A Maratha can become Tamil, for instance. There is a good example: Rajinikanth. The superstar’s real name is Shivaji Rao Gaekwad.
Even group identities can change over time. The Assamese and Bengali identities are composite identities that have come into being because of the merging of group identities. The Ahoms of Assam came from what is now Myanmar. They adopted the local language, religion and culture to become Assamese. On the other hand, the Koch, who had a major role in Assamese history, are now mainly Bengalis.
The case of the Bengali Muslim man who was lynched in Dimapur is linked to all this. He was married to a local Sema Naga woman. There have been many cases of Bengali Muslims marrying Sema Nagas in recent years, and there is now a community called the Semias who are of mixed parentage.
There is a real fear among communities across the Northeast of being demographically marginalised by those much more numerous than them. The complex personal dimensions of this particular story apart, there is also a web of complex social and political issues. It is possible that the lynching may not have happened if there was no Semia community, or if tribalism and the idea of land being linked to identities based on blood was not so strong in Nagaland.

@ayesha.a @halupridol @Mike_Brando @levina @Rain Man @The_Sidewinder @nair @Bang Galore

FYI. He was married. To the victim ?
 
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www.asianage.com/columnists/fluid-identities-649


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The recent lynching of Syed Sharifuddin Khan, a man accused of rape, in Dimapur, Nagaland, raised several uncomfortable questions. One of these was whether the man would have suffered the fate he did if he had not been wrongly identified in local news reports as an “illegal Bangladeshi immigrant”.
A “what if” is always a hard question to answer. However, what has happened in living memory can be stated with a fair degree of confidence.
In India’s Northeast, starting with Assam in 1960, there have been waves of ethnic cleansing in which Bengalis were the principal targets. The violence spread to Meghalaya in 1979 where local organisations, led by the Khasi Students Union, organised violence that targeted anyone who was not a tribal. The principal targets of attacks were the Bengali and Nepali-speaking minorities. All Bengalis, including those born and brought up in Shillong, were targeted as Bangladeshis.
Horrific crimes were committed against Bengalis, both Hindu and Muslim, in various places across the Northeast. The single worst instance of this was the Nellie massacre in Assam, in which according to official figures, 2,191 people were slaughtered in one night.Thirty-two years have passed, yet not a single person has been convicted for those murders till date. The shrill cries for justice that rise at the mention of Gujarat 2002 are not, and never have been, heard at the mention of Nellie 1983. No minister or politician became a figure of hate after that massacre.

In Shillong, 1987 was a year the curfews lasted longer than usual. Schools and colleges remained shut through the year. I don’t remember if it was that year or some other year — because violence was an annual occurrence — that Gauri Dey, a married woman, was dragged out of her home, gang-raped and killed by having a stick forced into her. There was no 24x7 television in those days, and no Internet. You won’t find a documentary calling her India’s Daughter. You won’t even find a story on Google. The story never got out. No one was ever convicted for the crime.
The attacks on Bengalis and Nepalis, marked as “foreigners”, was xenophobia driven by racism. The creation of Bengali as a foreign race in Northeast India is a product of colonial effort. Professor David Ludden, a noted historian from New York University, in an academic paper published in 2003 — The First Boundary of Bangladesh on Sylhet’s Northern Frontiers — wrote about the separation of the Bengali and Khasi lands and identities. Around 1780, this was the position according to him: “North of the Surma, northwest of Sylhet town, ethnic communities of frontier settlers, called Bengali Khasias, had arisen from alliances between mountain Khasias and lowland Bengalis; and they had once respected Mughals and Nawabs, inside the jaghir of Omaid Reza, yet remained independent of Company Raj”.
The East India Company sought to extend Company Raj. It was this process that produced new boundaries and created impermeable barriers between the Bengali, Khasi and Jaintia identities.
Ludden wrote in his conclusion: “Before 1790, northeastern frontiers of Bengal remained as open to mobility as they had been during Mughal times and before… In 1790, British military victories in lowland forest frontiers of northern Sylhet and Khasia military victories in the mountains above combined to produce the first boundary in the region that endeavoured specifically to restrict mobility from one side to the other. This political boundary became a social boundary on both sides.”
Jaintiapur, the erstwhile capital of the tribal Jaintia kings, is now in Bangladesh. There are still Khasi, Jaintia, Assamese and Manipuri populations on both sides of the Bangla border. In other words, there are Manipuri, Khasi, Jaintia and Assamese Bangladeshis.
The Assamese language itself is very similar to Bengali. So is the script. The religions are shared, with local variations. The food is similar. The name Kamrupa, which is now associated with Assam, refers to a kingdom that once covered large areas of West Bengal and what is now Bangladesh. At different times extending even up to the 20th century, East Bengal and Assam remained under the same administration. Shillong was the summer capital of both.
However, all this is forgotten. The land and people have always existed, but a border drawn on a map less than 70 years ago by an Englishman tore the social fabric in irreparable ways. The resultant violence caused amnesia about history.
Talk among tribal groups these days, and for many years before, has been about purity of blood. Filmmaker Wanphrang Diengdoh’s documentary, Where the Clouds End, shows a leader of the Khasi Students' Union making this point. It also shows the existence of rituals by which men of other ethnicities who married Khasi women could be inducted into the tribe.
The idea that ethnic identities are written in blood is actually one of the most pernicious and incorrect ideas in existence. That people can change religions is known. That they can also change linguistic and cultural identities is forgotten. A Maratha can become Tamil, for instance. There is a good example: Rajinikanth. The superstar’s real name is Shivaji Rao Gaekwad.
Even group identities can change over time. The Assamese and Bengali identities are composite identities that have come into being because of the merging of group identities. The Ahoms of Assam came from what is now Myanmar. They adopted the local language, religion and culture to become Assamese. On the other hand, the Koch, who had a major role in Assamese history, are now mainly Bengalis.
The case of the Bengali Muslim man who was lynched in Dimapur is linked to all this. He was married to a local Sema Naga woman. There have been many cases of Bengali Muslims marrying Sema Nagas in recent years, and there is now a community called the Semias who are of mixed parentage.
There is a real fear among communities across the Northeast of being demographically marginalised by those much more numerous than them. The complex personal dimensions of this particular story apart, there is also a web of complex social and political issues. It is possible that the lynching may not have happened if there was no Semia community, or if tribalism and the idea of land being linked to identities based on blood was not so strong in Nagaland.

@ayesha.a @halupridol @Mike_Brando @levina @Rain Man @The_Sidewinder @nair @Bang Galore

FYI. He was married. To the victim ?


Hatred towards bengali speaking community does not exist right now atleast in Assam. The author is just mixing up everything. Does he have any Idea about pretext of hatred against bengali speaking communities few dacades ago. It was mainly caused by language movement.

Language of Love and Death: Fifty Years of Assam’s Language Movement - Mainstream Weekly

Study the above link.

About purity of blood part I agree, these tribal communities shaldom accept outsiders.
 
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Hatred towards bengali speaking community does not exist right now atleast in Assam. The author is just mixing up everything. Does he have any Idea about pretext of hatred against bengali speaking communities few dacades ago. It was mainly caused by language movement.

Language of Love and Death: Fifty Years of Assam’s Language Movement - Mainstream Weekly

Study the above link.

About purity of blood part I agree, these tribal communities shaldom accept outsiders.


Neither does he say that things are as bad as the 60s and the 70s or even 90s.

But what he does is a chronological list of the anti bengali (both Hindu and muslim @ayesha.a )violence in the name of illegal immigrants. This is not new, that's his point. I guess outsiders do not know it and WILL fall for the illegal bangladeshi trick. Like they fell for it in this particular case, till, till it turned out that this fellow had two brothers in Indian army. You are getting me ?

What I'm saying is, these nagas knew what they were doing and they had an excuse for their crime too. An excuse which worked like a charm like it always does, till, till this dead guy's soldier brother made such an appeal.

Neither the first time it has happened, not it will stop.

Nor will the lying stop that these guys are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh while they are nothing but Indian bengalis.

How many victims have brothers in army ?

That's my point and why I posted it here.
 
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Neither does he say that things are as bad as the 60s and the 70s or even 90s.

But what he does is a chronological list of the anti bengali (both Hindu and muslim @ayesha.a )violence in the name of illegal immigrants. This is not new, that's his point. I guess outsiders do not know it and WILL fall for the illegal bangladeshi trick. Like they fell for it in this particular case, till, till it turned out that this fellow had two brothers in Indian army. You are getting me ?

What I'm saying is, these nagas knew what they were doing and they had an excuse for their crime too.

Neither the first time it has happened, not it will stop.

Not will the lying stop that these guys are illegal immigrants.

How many victims have brothers in army ?

That's my point and why I posted it here.

Okey, I got your point. You are entitled to your prejudice.
 
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