Indian Army News & Discussions

[beckham]

Can anybody tellme what is the diff. between akash air defence and Spyder air defence

Akash air defence

India's indegenous Akash air defence system is the reason India have rejected the US offer of the PAC-3, Israel's offer of the Arrow-2, Russia's offer of the latest S-300 and S-400 and the European MBDA offer of the Aster 30 air defence systems.

Akash uses state of the art integral ramjet rocket propulsion system to give a low-volume, low-weight (700 kg launch weight) missile configuration, and has a low reaction time - from detection to missile launch - of 15 seconds allowing the missile to carry a heavier 60 kg fragmentation warhead triggered by proximity fuse.

It reaches a speed of Mach 1.5 in 4.5 seconds Mach. 2.8-3.5 at 20g in 30 seconds after ramjet motor is ignited. Its range (for most effective performance) varies 27-30 kilometres.

5.6 m long sleek missile has a launch weight of 700 kg and can carry 60 kg of warhead and the radar is capable of tracking 64 targets and guide upto 12 missiles simultaneously in a fully autonomous mode of operation.

The Akash is to bepurchased by the Indian air defence command and is for sale to customers abroad.

successfully tested it more than 45 times the DRDO is confident that Akash will be effective against low-flying missiles, aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles.

Unlike the Patriot, can be launched from static or mobile platforms, including a battle tank.

What makes it superior to Patriot, apart from the mobility of its platform, is that it has thrust during the entire course of its 35-second flight. Patriot has thrust only for 12 seconds, after which the missile coasts, thus making it less accurate than Akash.



One Akash battery is composed of three tracked vehicles (tracks, like those on a battle tank), each of which would have four missiles, plus a vehicle carrying the Rajendra multifunction phased array radar. The Air Force version is on wheeled vehicles.

The missile can be deployed either in autonomous mode or group mode. In the autonomous mode, it will have a single battery functioning independently. For surveillance, it would need an additional two-dimensional radar. In this mode, it can be used for defending moving columns or singular installations. A single battery can simultaneously engage four targets, and against each target a maximum of three missiles can be fired, thus increasing the hit probability.

In group mode, there would be a number of batteries, deployed over a wide area. The batteries would be linked to a group control centre (GCC). The Rajendra three-dimensional radar, indegenously developed by the DRDO (defence Research & Development Organisation) would provide a single integrated air picture to the group control centre, telling it not only the distance at which the enemy plane has been located but also its altitude. One GCC can command and control a maximum of eight Akash batteries at the same time. One GCC can also receive radar surveillance information from other sources, and be linked to higher echelons of air defence. Once the target, either an enemy aircraft or a missile, is detected the missile would align to the radar beams and virtually travel on those beams (guided by onboard precision-homing system) towards the target at three-and-a-half times the speed of sound.

The DRDO is reportedly toying with the idea of developing an integrated missile shield, which would be able to cover an area of at least 200 sq. km in the next five to six years. Akash, or the technologies developed for Akash, would be at the heart of the system. Its radars could be placed on a civil aircraft, much like an AWACS system, to provide early warning of incoming missiles.Current development include a possible increase in speed, maximum altitude and range.

The Akash, at 0.26 million $, is cheaper than Patriot, and with Bharat Dynamics willing to manufacture it, there should not be a problem of service support, something which the Americans, given their history of imposing sanctions, may not be able to guarantee.


Spyder Air Defence System

The SPYDER (Surface-to-air PYthon and DERby) is an anti-aircraft missile system developed by RAFAEL (with use of Czech Tatra chasis) and using surface-to-air versions of the Python 5 and Derby missiles, also made by RAFAEL. It is a quick reaction medium range missile system. SPYDER is capable of engaging aircraft, helicopters, unmanned air vehicles, drones and precision-guided munitions. It provides air defence for fixed assets and for point and area defence for mobile forces in combat areas.


SPYDER system has 360° engagement capability and the missiles can be launched from the full-readiness state in less than five seconds from target confirmation.

*Its kill range is from less than 1km to more than 15km.

*altitudes from a minimum of 20m to a maximum of 9,000m.

* It is capable of multi-target simultaneous engagement and also single, multiple and ripple firing, by day and night and in all weathers.

*The Elta EL/M 2106 ATAR 3D radar can simultaneously track up to 60 targets.

 

[sudhir007]

how many missile, battery, Launchers or reloader we r purchasing from IAI.

 

[beckham]

how many missile, battery, Launchers or reloader we r purchasing from IAI.

we have already signed a deal with Israel to acquire 18 Spyder systems.but the deal is being reviewed by the Central Vigilance.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Beckham according to the article...

"India have rejected the US offer of the PAC-3, Israel's offer of the Arrow-2, Russia's offer of the latest S-300 and S-400 and the European MBDA offer of the Aster 30 air defence systems"

Akash is such a system that that India rejected S-300 and S-400 thats stupid man, although indgenous its good but for god sake man dont compare it with S-300 n S-400...

 

[BSF]

For example....Pakistan is buying up JF 17 from china... Does it mean F 16 is bad ?

Akash system is also being ordered by Indian Army along with the Spyder.

May be Spyder will be riddled along the borders of china and Akash will be used in Pakistan border.

There may be many reasons as to why Spyder is also being ordered.May be DRDO cannot produce enough units to meet the Army's immediate need and that is why they are ordering Spyder.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

we never rejected F-16 it was just circumstances that made F-16 far away from us...


i m saying Akash is good no doubt but the fact that they involved tht "rejection of S-300 n S-400 etc" is coz of Akash is a stupid statement...

any ways can any one here tell me about status of Astra BVRAAM

 

[sudhir007]

any ways can any one here tell me about status of Astra BVRAAM

right now the ground testing is complete in may 2009 now the final test of a2a mode in su-30mki

The Hindu : National : Astra missile test-fired

 

[beckham]

Beckham according to the article...

"India have rejected the US offer of the PAC-3, Israel's offer of the Arrow-2, Russia's offer of the latest S-300 and S-400 and the European MBDA offer of the Aster 30 air defence systems"

Akash is such a system that that India rejected S-300 and S-400 thats stupid man, although indgenous its good but for god sake man dont compare it with S-300 n S-400...

what india needed was a Low-level Quick Reaction surface to air Missile, not a long range surface-to-air missile system... like S-300 and S-400 !

 

[sudhir007]

what india needed was a Low-level Quick Reaction surface to air Missile, not a long range surface-to-air missile system... like S-300 andS-400 !

yah u ryt coze for this we are developing AAD & PAD desi missile shield for our air space

 

[Mig-29]

First batch of armoured ambulances rolled out:India


The first batch of Ambulance Armoured Tracked Vehicles to be used by the Indian Army to evacuate casualties from the battlefield was rolled out at the Ordnance Factory here on Friday.

Designed by the Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment , a branch of the Defence Research and Development Organisation, and manufactured at the Ordnance Factory, Medak, the armoured ambulance is equipped to administer emergency medical care to battle casualties . It has in-built medical facilities including a continuous ECG monitoring, a ventilator, a suction unit to remove unwanted fluids, a DC refrigerator for preserving drugs and an air-conditioner with optional heating facility .

With the same mobility as an Infantry Combat Vehicle , the ambulance can cross a variety of terrains and even traverse through water. Features include a special blower and absorbent filter for nuclear, biological and chemical protection, and external and internal radio communication for navigation.

The seating capacity of 10 plus two includes medical attendants, but this can vary depending on the number of stretcher patients. Four stretcher patients, or two stretcher and four sitting patients, or eight sitting patients can be accommodated at a time.


Although the first model was ready in December 2005, it had to undergo several changes before a trial in September 2006. Three years and 56 modifications later, 10 vehicles were rolled out ready to be used by the Indian Army.

The Army has already ordered 288 armoured tracked ambulances. So far however, the Ordnance Factory has assembled only 50 such ambulances so that the army can recommend further changes, once the vehicles have been used in combat operations.

"You will get such large orders from the Indian army in the future that your machines will be running for the next 15 years," Lieutenant General Duleep Bhardwaj, Director General Mechanised Forces said. He was there to receive the first ambulance on behalf of the Chief of Staff. Saroj Vinayek, Director General and Chairperson, Ordnance Factories Board was the chief guest .


ASIAN DEFENCE: First batch of armoured ambulances rolled out:India

 

[Mig-29]

ARDE develops a sub-machine carbine (MSMC) for Indian Army


City-based Armaments Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) is giving the final touches to a modern sub-machine carbine (MSMC) for the Indian Army. The final trials for this 5.56 mm calibre MSMC will be conducted in December this year.

A carbine is a lightweight compact automatic gun with a small barrel; unlike a rifle it fires rapidly and is suitable for close quarter combats. At present, the Indian Army, paramilitary forces, commandos and the police use a Russian origin 9 mm calibre carbine, which is fairly ancient.

"We are in the process of proving 99.7 per cent reliability for the MSMC. The user will be able to fire up to 200 metres using the MSMC," said ARDE director Anil M Datar.The MSMC programme has its origins in the Indian Small Arms System family, which was started in 1982 in a bid to build an indigenous small arms weapons system for India. By 1987, the ARDE had designed the Rifle, the Light Machine Gun (LMG) and the carbine ― all part of the INSAS family.

The Army had inducted the INSAS rifle and LMG in 1993; DRDO scientists say it met with a fair amount of success but there were some defects as well, which came to light after the Kargil war. "The rifle and the LMG was first put to test during Kargil. After that, based on the battlefield experiences, we developed a new version ― the INSAS 1B1" said R S Rao, joint director, INSAS, ARDE.

But it was the INSAS carbine that fell through, right from the start. "For the carbine, the ammunition was very powerful. It had higher sound, flash, and recoil effect," said S V Gade, joint director, INSAS, ARDE. "With the MSMC, we have now changed the length of the ammunition. It is still a 5.6 mm calibre bullet, but it is slightly shorter in length, thereby eliminating the drawbacks of the earlier carbine."

Finally, the INSAS carbine plan was shelved and in 2002, the Army devised a new set of General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQR) for the new MSMC, he said."Since 2006, when the first prototype was devised, the MSMC has been put through every possible scenario that the Army could conceive of." The first trial of the prototype was held in 2006, then 2007-end and the last one was in January 2009.

ASIAN DEFENCE: ARDE develops a sub-machine carbine (MSMC) for Indian Army

 

[beckham]

Indian Modern Submachine Carbine (MSMC)

 

[ironman]

Pune-based ARDE develops a sub-machine carbine for Indian Army​

Oinam Anand , Ranjani Raghavan Tags : defence, guns Posted: Friday , Aug 21, 2009 at 0511 hrs

City-based Armaments Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) is giving the final touches to a modern sub-machine carbine (MSMC) for the Indian Army. The final trials for this 5.56 mm calibre MSMC will be conducted in December this year.

A carbine is a lightweight compact automatic gun with a small barrel; unlike a rifle it fires rapidly and is suitable for close quarter combats.

At present, the Indian Army, paramilitary forces, commandos and the police use a Russian origin 9 mm calibre carbine, which is fairly ancient.

“We are in the process of proving 99.7 per cent reliability for the MSMC. The user will be able to fire up to 200 metres using the MSMC,” said ARDE director Anil M Datar.

The MSMC programme has its origins in the Indian Small Arms System family, which was started in 1982 in a bid to build an indigenous small arms weapons system for India. By 1987, the ARDE had designed the Rifle, the Light Machine Gun (LMG) and the carbine — all part of the INSAS family.

The Army had inducted the INSAS rifle and LMG in 1993; DRDO scientists say it met with a fair amount of success but there were some defects as well, which came to light after the Kargil war.

“The rifle and the LMG was first put to test during Kargil. After that, based on the battlefield experiences, we developed a new version — the INSAS 1B1” said R S Rao, joint director, INSAS, ARDE.

But it was the INSAS carbine that fell through, right from the start. “For the carbine, the ammunition was very powerful. It had higher sound, flash, and recoil effect,” said S V Gade, joint director, INSAS, ARDE. “With the MSMC, we have now changed the length of the ammunition. It is still a 5.6 mm calibre bullet, but it is slightly shorter in length, thereby eliminating the drawbacks of the earlier carbine.”

Finally, the INSAS carbine plan was shelved and in 2002, the Army devised a new set of General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQR) for the new MSMC, he said.

“Since 2006, when the first prototype was devised, the MSMC has been put through every possible scenario that the Army could conceive of.”

The first trial of the prototype was held in 2006, then 2007-end and the last one was in January 2009.

 

[Gabbar]

Indian Army poised to induct new submachine carbine news ​

The Indian Army will, in all eventuality, induct a new modern submachine carbine (MSMC), following final trials scheduled for December 2009. The carbine has been developed by Pune-based Armaments Research and Development Establishment (ARDE).

The 5.56mm caliber MSMC will replace the Russian 9mm-caliber carbine currently used by the Indian Army and paramilitary forces.

According to ARDE director Anil M Datar, the organisation is in the process of proving 99.7 per cent reliability for the MSMC, which is effective to a maximum range of 200 metres.

The MSMC was originally part of the Indian Small Arms System (INSAS) programme, initiated in 1982 to provide an indigenous small arms weapons system for the Indian armed forces. A rifle, a light machine gun (LMG) and a carbine were eventually designed as part of the INSAS family, but even as the INSAS rifle and LMG were inducted for operational use, the carbine failed to pass muster.

The problem lay with the concept of using the same ammunition for all three weapon systems. The 5.56 ammunition proved to be too 'heavy' for the short range MSMC, giving a higher recoil and flash effect than was desirable. This has now been rectified with a shorter length of the round, though of the same calibre.

The INSAS rifle and LMG was severely tested during the Kargil War and found wanting in reliability. Based on battlefield experiences the ARDE developed the INSAS-1B1.

The first trial of the MSMC prototype was held in 2006 and the last one in January 2009.

The Modern Submachine Carbine (MSMC)
According to DRDO, introduction of soft-body armour rendered the erstwhile 9 mm carbine, which was operational with the Indian Army, ineffective. This led to the development of the 5.56 mm Modern Submachine Carbine (MSMC), and its ammunition, aimed at defeating enemy soldiers protected with soft-body armour at a range of 200 m.

DRDO says the 5.56 mm MSMC is unique in its category with some unique features:

a pistol grip, which allows single-hand firing capability;
magazine feeding through pistol grip;
retractable butt for better stability while firing;
ambidextrous cocking;
fire selector to suit left and right hand firers, and,
a three-point sling for better carrying and manoeuvrability.
According to the DRDO, the weapon is lightweight, compact, robust and has proved highly accurate and reliable during user trials.

The ammunition for MSMC is of conventional type with the bullet cylindro-ogival for better ballistics as compared to a 9 mm round. A steel insert has been introduced in the tip of the bullet to achieve better penetration power.

The performance of this ammunition, in respect of remaining energy at various ranges, vis-à-vis contemporary ammunitions developed in the world, is better.

Low power ammunition technology in the 5.56 mm caliber has been developed for the first time in India.

According to the DRDO, technologies developed for the MSMC include:

a unique semi bull-pup weapon feed system behind the trigger mechanism,
retention of butt, fitted in housing configuration, evolved and tested to user satisfaction;
noise-reduction technology using CFD analysis for development of silencers;
molding of high-strength engineering plastic to manufacture components with integral features;
reflex sight and passive night sight;
and integration of laser spot designator on MSMC for close quarter battle.

 

[Mig-29]

"Daksh" Bomb disposal robot will roll out soon for the Indian Army


The first lot of DRDO’s bomb detection and disposal robot, Daksh, for the use of the Indian Army will roll out soon. City-based Dynalog India Limited, Bharat Electronics Limited and Theta Control are in the process of manufacturing Daksh, a two-foot-high, remote-operated, battery-run vehicle that weighs 350 kg and is designed to detect and defuse Improvised Explosive Devices (IED).

After the Army had placed orders for 20 robots in March, DRDO has been trying to sell the concept to security agencies like the National Security Guard and the police, as a tool to fight terror. “In the last two months the Mumbai Police and the CRPF have been showing interest,” said Alok Mukherjee, DRDO scientist at the Research and Development Establishment (Enggrs) and a key member of the Daksh team. Daksh can be used in urban areas and country terrain. It can be used against militants in J&K and the North East as well as against Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra and other states, said Mukherjee. DRDO believes Daksh will be of use to paramilitary forces, the Airports Authority of India and Indian Railways to secure their areas.


“With this technology, we would be able to do what the US is doing with the drones in Afghanistan,” said Ajit Kavishwar, Director, Dynalog. “Daksh can handle IEDs, take it out of a crowded place and scan the device with its X-ray component to confirm if the device is an IED. If it is a bomb, the on-board water-jet disrupter can defuse it,” Mukherjee said.


Daksh can lift a weight of 20 kg from a distance of around 3 metre. When operated on wireless mode, the robot can be controlled from a distance of 500 metre. “As compared to an imported model, an indigenously developed robot would be easy to maintain and can cater to Indian terrain,” said a BEL representative. “All the three companies together would be able to supply two robots a month; the first will take four months to make,” he added. For many security agencies that may find the cost, Rs 1.75 crore, somewhat high, DRDO says they are in the process of devising a smaller version.

ASIAN DEFENCE: August 2009