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NEW DELHI: Any hope Pakistan may have nurtured that a visit by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh could open the door for a "deal" on Siachen has been dashed, with Army chief Gen Bikram Singh being as opposed to the idea as all his predecessors before him.

In his maiden interaction with the press, Gen Singh clearly stated the ground rules on a border agreement. And they don't include any troop withdrawal from the Siachen heights. "There is no change in our view at all. We must continue to hold that area...We have lost lot of lives and shed a lot of blood there. The positions are of strategic importance to us. We have conveyed our concerns to the government,'' he said. It will be difficult for the Indian government to accept anything less.

Pakistan is hopeful of Singh's visit before it goes to the polls. Singh himself is keen to visit Pakistan, and has not shied away from making his interest known. With this in mind, Islamabad has pushed New Delhi hard this year to do a deal on Siachen. Pakistan has even delayed talks on the Sir Creek issue in order to mount pressure on India for a Siachen pact.

Returning from Iran after the NAM summit, the PM hinted that a Sir Creek agreement was "doable" but he was silent on Siachen. There is little chance of Singh going to Pakistan this year. His position is very different from Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who had visited Pakistan twice in his five years despite a Kargil and a Parliament attack as well as a disastrous Agra summit between them.

Primarily, it's because the nature of terrorism from Pakistan has changed substantially in the past decade. But mostly, it's because Mumbai changed the discourse in a way that will make it difficult for a summit level visit without Pakistan taking demonstrable steps against terrorism. The political atmosphere in India is fragile enough that a concession to Pakistan would be interpreted as a betrayal. The UPA has already taken several knocks after the Sharm-el-Sheikh joint statement with Pakistan in 2009. In the forthcoming state elections, political managers fear a PM visit to Pakistan could be battered on nationalistic lines.

There is cross-spectrum acceptance on trade concessions and people-to-people contacts with Pakistan. But there is no room for a concession on Siachen because it ties in with India's larger strategic outlook, particularly regarding the China-Pakistan nexus. India's occupation of the Siachen heights gives it a unique advantage that it does not want to relinquish.

Officials said India's position on Siachen had neither hardened nor softened for years. But Pakistani Army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani had said twice in a month (May) that Pakistan wants the Siachen issue to be solved and India had "toughened" its stand asking for a demarcation, which was seen here as a pressure tactic. Ideally, a Siachen agreement should be part of a broad agreement of the border, but Pakistan is yet to agree to that.

"We have been consistent on the steps necessary before demilitarization of Siachen can be carried out. We won't give up the advantage we enjoy without a very credible, and verifiable, commitment from their side," a senior Indian Army officer told TOI recently. Another officer pointed out that India has repeatedly pointed out that any demilitarization should be preceded by delineation of Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL), authentication of the line and military positions on maps to be exchanged between the two countries, an end to wrong projection of AGPL in each other's maps, drawing up framework for demilitarization and as final step withdrawal of troops from the glacial heights. "They are reluctant to agree to our suggestions," another senior military official said.

The core of the difference between the two sides is this: India wants Pakistan to authenticate positions on the AGPL before any talk of demilitarization or withdrawal. Pakistan is pushing a four-point plan that includes demilitarization, withdrawal of troops, delineation and authentication. India is unwilling to do this.

Army chief opposes PM's trip to Pak - The Times of India
 
but india army is under civilian control unlike Pak? Isnt it?
 
The title of the article does not match the body.
 
Anyway, this controversial step is a hopeless case now after the ushering in of the FDI and other economic reforms by the Singh govt.. They cant handle 2 controversial moves 18 months before the general elections..
 
Recent visit of Indians, does not go along the hate they preach against Pakistan.
Neither does Pakistani transit aid and trade is fair with Pakistan's local industry and other friendly states.
 
The issue is simple and straightforward. Demilitarization should be preceded by delineation of Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL), and authentication of the line and military positions on maps to be exchanged between the two countries,

But Pakistan (PA) is reluctant to agree to this because it would mean that it tacitly concurs that Siachen is de facto part of Indian territory which Pakistan objects to. That's the crunch issue.
 
The fact that the army has never overthrown the gov should tell u that...

btw where did he say he opposes PM's trip to Pakistan?

It certainly does not say that anywhere. Unless it means that MMS does not have the money to buy an air-ticket to Pakistan and he was hoping that the COAS would loan him some; the COAS just said NO!

As an OVER-FERTILE imagination would then think--Kya dono Sardaron key beech bhi panga ho gaya kya? :P
 
Recent visit of Indians, does not go along the hate they preach against Pakistan.
Neither does Pakistani transit aid and trade is fair with Pakistan's local industry and other friendly states.
China and US are against each other in so many fields, espionage is on peak, still they do trade, allow Chinese students to study in their university knowing that they may return back and take the knowledge with them.

When you talk about Geo-politics, if you attach economic side to be considered for keeping the peace, the work becomes easier. Pakistan needs investment for its economy. Local industries benefits as competition increases the quality and customer has an alternative and benefits the most. That's how market evolves.
 
I can't find it, but I remember reading in an Indian Army General's article that Siachen more or less guarantees that Pakistan or any other outsider force (even a big military force like China) will not be able to forcefully take Kashmir from us, because it offers us a huge strategic advantage. Our Northern border areas with China and Pakistan are 100% safe and defend-able as long as we keep these advantageous positions.

I mean common guys, the fact that Pakistan Govt is crying more about Siachen (which is just a mountain with no people) than about their so called "Muslim brothers" in actual Kashmir should give you guys an idea about the magnitude of strategic importance this area gives us.

We would be nothing short of complete fools to demilitarize that without getting it recognized as Indian territorry.

Simply put, right now, Pakistan just wants India to demilitarize Siachen. India said that we will demilitarize if Pakistan accepts Siachen as Indian territory. Pakistan refuses this. Even a 2 year old can figure out that the only reason Pakistan refuses this is because they are looking for a window to capture Siachen after we demilitarize the area, just like they backstabbed us in Kargil when we demilitarized certain mountain peaks during Winter.
 
Difficult that there will be any 'panga'. Heard that their wives are sisters.

There is definitely NO PANGA between them. It is as fictitious and unbelievable as the thought that "Indian Army chief opposes PM's trip to Pak"

I don't know anything about anybody being anybody's sister.
 

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