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Indian Air Force Sukhois Dominate UK Fighter Jets in Combat Exercises



Indian Air Force Sukhois Dominate UK Fighter Jets in Combat Exercises
All India | Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: August 06, 2015 09:42 IST


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In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons (on top)

New Delhi: In some of the most intense international air combat exercises ever featuring the Indian Air Force, IAF pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

In subsequent Large Force Exercises (LFE) which featured combined Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-30 formations, the IAF jets were somewhat less successful but consistently held an edge over the Typhoon.

In an exclusive interview, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, the Contingent Commander in the exercises, told NDTV that the performance of his pilots was "exceptional." According to Group Captain Srivastav, who happens to be the IAF's most experienced Su-30 pilot, his pilots showed "flexibility and adaptability to a new environment and operating conditions and on this benchmark, I would rate them exceptional."

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An Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 MKI taking part in the Indradhanush exercises.

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The 10-day exercises which commenced on July 21 was the fourth edition of the Indo-UK Bilateral exercise called 'Indradhanush'. IAF aircraft and personnel were based out of three Royal Air Force bases: four IAF Su-30 fighters operated out of RAF Coningsby, C-17 and C-130J Hercules transports were positioned at Brize Norton and Garud Commandos of the IAF operated alongside British forces at RAF Honington. The IAF also deployed an Ilyushin IL-78 air to air refuelling tanker at Brize Norton.

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Inside the cockpit of an Indian Air Force C-17 Globemaster transport aircraft, which was part of the Indian contingent to the Indradhanush exercises.

The IAF fleet departed India on July 15, with the fighters re-fuelling twice mid-air ahead of their first pit-stop at Taif in Saudi Arabia (near Jeddah). The formation then proceeded to Athens on July 16, refuelling once before their arrival. After another halt for one night, IAF aircraft flew onto the UK again refuelling once mid-air.

For the Royal Air Force, the chance to train against the Russian-designed Su-30, arguably the finest fourth generation fighter aircraft in the world, is rare. India is the largest international operator of the super-maneuverable fighter and was equally keen to pit the skills of its Top Guns against the RAF's new Eurofighter Typhoon, the mainstay of the RAF's fighter fleet.

The first week of the exercises pitted the Su-30, which NATO calls the Flanker, in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. First, there were 1 v 1 encounters, where a single jet of each type engaged each other in Within Visual Range (WVR) combat, firing simulated missiles to a range of two miles. The exercises progressed to 2 v 2 engagements with two Eurofighters taking on two Su-30s and 2 v 1 exercises where two Sukhois took on a single Typhoon and vice versa. Notably, in the exercise where a lone Su-30 was engaged by two Typhoons, the IAF jet emerged the victor 'shooting' down both 'enemy' jets.

In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons using their thrust-vectored engines to keep the RAF jets locked in their sights. The Su-30's advanced Infrared Search and Track System (IRST), a passive sensor, which cannot be tracked, proved to be a distinct advantage for the IAF's pilots in close-combat maneuvering. Both the IAF and RAF used the full capabilities of their onboard radars, albeit in training mode, which meant that actual radar frequencies used in combat conditions were never exposed for confidentiality reasons. However, the detection ranges of the radars of both aircraft were not curtailed per se. This was air combat as close to the real thing as possible.

The pilots themselves ranged from young Flight Lieutenants to senior Group Captains from either side drawn directly from Typhoon squadrons and the IAF's 2 Squadron, The Winged Arrows, based in Kalaikunda. The idea was for both sides to expose their operational pilots to a modern frontline platform of the same class. Accordingly, the IAF did not deploy any senior pilots serving with its Tactics and Air Combat Development Establishment (TACDE).

By the time the exercises shifted to Large Force Engagements (LFE) in the second week, IAF pilots were comfortable operating in British conditions. The Large Force Engagements saw mixed formation scenarios where the IAF operated its jets alongside RAF Typhoons in air battles against fellow Su-30s flying together with other Typhoons.

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An IAF Sukhoi Su-30 MKI (left) flies alongside RAF's Eurofighter Typhoon.

The Large Force Engagements saw 4 v 4 engagements at beyond visual range and graduated to a massive 8 v 8 engagement featuring 16 aircraft in the skies near Coningsby. IAF pilots shared tactical information with RAF pilots in their formations using radio communications since the IAF's data-link system (which shares critical sensor data with friendly aircraft) was not compatible with the Link 16 system in use with NATO aircraft like the Typhoon.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult". It was not unexpected for the IAF to "lose" one or two jets (over all the Large Force Engagements put together) given that the movement of each formation was directed by fighter controllers coordinating an overall air battle. Both sides agreed to simulate their Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Missiles at 25 miles for offensive missions and 22 miles for defensive scenarios.

IAF C-130 and Il-78 jets also participated in the Large Force engagements where they were "defended" by the fighter formations they were flying with against 'enemy' attacks.

The IAF also encountered no serviceability issues with any of its participating jets. All Su-30s were available for the daily exercises which took place over two blocks, one in the morning, the other in the afternoon for a total of eight sorties daily.

Praising the support the IAF received from the RAF, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV, "The hosts were very good. They were ready to extend exceptional support."

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The sense of camaraderie extended to C-17 transport pilots of both sides. According to Group Captain Srivastav, "There was good interaction between young pilots. The C-17 Squadron of the RAF wanted some help in Kathmandu [following the Nepal earthquake]. We helped them then, this was more than reciprocated." RAF pilots showcased their assault landing and combat off-loading experiences with IAF pilots observing from the cockpit of the big jet. IAF pilots shared their experiences of operating the C-17 at high altitudes.

Over the last decade, the Indian Air Force has been very keen to develop its Garud Commando Force meant to protect its assets such as air bases and also be deployed behind enemy lines if required. Operating alongside British forces in the UK, the IAF Garud commandos participated in a 96-hour camp in a training area close to Honington. This involved reconnaissance and surveillance missions and a combat free fall para-jump with British forces.

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The IAF team which participated in the air combat exercise, with both the fighter planes in the background. The Sukhoi Su-30 is on the left.

Back in India now, the IAF, like the Royal Air Force, is keen to point out that the exercises were a learning and training opportunity, and should not be seen as a battle between the IAF and the RAF, who are close allies and partners. According to Group Captain Srivastav, "It was all about learning from each others experiences and to fine tune our own procedures."

At the end of the day, though, for the IAF, these exercises were about gauging the skill levels of its own pilots and the aircraft they operate. For the IAF, these exercises came as positive news on where they stand against some of the best of the West.
Story First Published: August 05, 2015 23:50 IST
 
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Third thread on the same topic


I know, but they are telling different story.

The Indians are claiming they " Indian Sukhois Dominated UK Fighter Jets in Combat "


The British on the other hand tell a different Story.


'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'



'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'

83
Submitted by [URL='http://twocircles.net/users/admin4']admin4
on 24 July 2011 - 2:32pm
By N.C. Bipindra, IANS,
RAF Fairford (Britain) : Britain's frontline fighter jet Eurofighter Typhoon, shortlisted for India's $10.4-billion combat jets tender, whacked the Indian Air Force (IAF) warhorse Sukhoi in one-on-one dog fights during bilateral air war games, if Britain's air chief is to be believed.
"Well, they lost," was Stephen Dalton's response when IANS asked how the Russia-developed India-manufactured Su-30MKI air superiority jets performed against the Royal Air Force's (RAF) Typhoons when they matched their wits during the joint exercises in recent years.
However, he was quick to add that the two aircraft are different in technologies, and that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
Dalton was interacting with IANS at the recently held Royal International Air Tattoo military air show at the RAF base here.
The two aircraft were pitted against each other during 'Indradhanush' exercises in 2007 at Waddington in Britain and in 2010 at Kalaikunda in India.
Interestingly, the IAF had claimed in 2007 that Sukhoi's performance against Typhoon had convinced the RAF of its superiority. "The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated," an Indian defence ministry release had said during the July 2007 Indradhanush.
It was, however, fair to Typhoon, saying the IAF pilots were impressed with its agility in the air.
Dalton was also all praise for the IAF for training its pilots to put any aircraft they fly to best use.
"The issue is you are comparing technology and people. So, more often than not, technology can give you a great edge, a great lead. But actually it is always the people (behind the machines) who make the difference at the end of the day," he said.
"It is not just how the aircraft did in the air. It is also about how the individual thinks, how they work, and their willingness to develop and to experiment.
"I have always found the IAF to be extremely good. Yes, technology is a significant element, but also the individual is really important in this," he added.
Dalton also indicated that the IAF inventory of Sukhois, MiGs and Mirages are no match to the Typhoons.
"Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now," he said.
But, he added, it was not criticism, as Typhoon is the product of next generation technology.
"I would say the IAF crew that I have worked with and seen are every bit as clever as any other air crew in the world, and in many cases better. It is all about the man as the machine that they operate," he added.
Dalton said the cooperation between the RAF and the IAF will continue, as Britain valued this relationship. "IAF has a lot of experience and I would like to suck that out and use it, quite frankly," he added.
(N.C. Bipindra can be contacted at nc.bipindra@ians.in)
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I know, but they are telling different story.

The Indians are claiming they " Indian Sukhois Dominated UK Fighter Jets in Combat "


The British on the other hand tell a different Story.


'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'



'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'

83





Two different excercies, one is in 2011 & and the recent one!
 
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I know, but they are telling different story.

The Indians are claiming they " Indian Sukhois Dominated UK Fighter Jets in Combat "


The British on the other hand tell a different Story.


'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'



'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'

83
Submitted by [URL='http://twocircles.net/users/admin4']admin4
on 24 July 2011 - 2:32pm[/URL]

[URL='http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british_typhoons_whacked_indias_sukhois_joint_exercises.html#']By N.C. Bipindra, IANS,
RAF Fairford (Britain) : Britain's frontline fighter jet Eurofighter Typhoon, shortlisted for India's $10.4-billion combat jets tender, whacked the Indian Air Force (IAF) warhorse Sukhoi in one-on-one dog fights during bilateral air war games, if Britain's air chief is to be believed.
"Well, they lost," was Stephen Dalton's response when IANS asked how the Russia-developed India-manufactured Su-30MKI air superiority jets performed against the Royal Air Force's (RAF) Typhoons when they matched their wits during the joint exercises in recent years.
However, he was quick to add that the two aircraft are different in technologies, and that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
Dalton was interacting with IANS at the recently held Royal International Air Tattoo military air show at the RAF base here.
The two aircraft were pitted against each other during 'Indradhanush' exercises in 2007 at Waddington in Britain and in 2010 at Kalaikunda in India.
Interestingly, the IAF had claimed in 2007 that Sukhoi's performance against Typhoon had convinced the RAF of its superiority. "The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated," an Indian defence ministry release had said during the July 2007 Indradhanush.
It was, however, fair to Typhoon, saying the IAF pilots were impressed with its agility in the air.
Dalton was also all praise for the IAF for training its pilots to put any aircraft they fly to best use.
"The issue is you are comparing technology and people. So, more often than not, technology can give you a great edge, a great lead. But actually it is always the people (behind the machines) who make the difference at the end of the day," he said.
"It is not just how the aircraft did in the air. It is also about how the individual thinks, how they work, and their willingness to develop and to experiment.
"I have always found the IAF to be extremely good. Yes, technology is a significant element, but also the individual is really important in this," he added.
Dalton also indicated that the IAF inventory of Sukhois, MiGs and Mirages are no match to the Typhoons.
"Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now," he said.
But, he added, it was not criticism, as Typhoon is the product of next generation technology.
"I would say the IAF crew that I have worked with and seen are every bit as clever as any other air crew in the world, and in many cases better. It is all about the man as the machine that they operate," he added.
Dalton said the cooperation between the RAF and the IAF will continue, as Britain valued this relationship. "IAF has a lot of experience and I would like to suck that out and use it, quite frankly," he added.
(N.C. Bipindra can be contacted at [EMAIL='nc.bipindra@ians.in']nc.bipindra@ians.in[/EMAIL])

[URL='http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british_typhoons_whacked_indias_sukhois_joint_exercises.html#']News:


http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british_typhoons_whacked_indias_sukhois_joint_exercises.html#[/URL][/URL]
[URL='http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british_typhoons_whacked_indias_sukhois_joint_exercises.html#'][URL='http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british_typhoons_whacked_indias_sukhois_joint_exercises.html#']My knowledge is limited pertaining to the matter at hand however I find following comment just as absurd as the Indian claims.

...that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
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I know, but they are telling different story.

The Indians are claiming they " Indian Sukhois Dominated UK Fighter Jets in Combat "


The British on the other hand tell a different Story.


'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'



'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'

83
Submitted by
admin4 on 24 July 2011 - 2:32pm
By N.C. Bipindra, IANS,
RAF Fairford (Britain) : Britain's frontline fighter jet Eurofighter Typhoon, shortlisted for India's $10.4-billion combat jets tender, whacked the Indian Air Force (IAF) warhorse Sukhoi in one-on-one dog fights during bilateral air war games, if Britain's air chief is to be believed.
"Well, they lost," was Stephen Dalton's response when IANS asked how the Russia-developed India-manufactured Su-30MKI air superiority jets performed against the Royal Air Force's (RAF) Typhoons when they matched their wits during the joint exercises in recent years.
However, he was quick to add that the two aircraft are different in technologies, and that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
Dalton was interacting with IANS at the recently held Royal International Air Tattoo military air show at the RAF base here.
The two aircraft were pitted against each other during 'Indradhanush' exercises in 2007 at Waddington in Britain and in 2010 at Kalaikunda in India.
Interestingly, the IAF had claimed in 2007 that Sukhoi's performance against Typhoon had convinced the RAF of its superiority. "The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated," an Indian defence ministry release had said during the July 2007 Indradhanush.
It was, however, fair to Typhoon, saying the IAF pilots were impressed with its agility in the air.
Dalton was also all praise for the IAF for training its pilots to put any aircraft they fly to best use.
"The issue is you are comparing technology and people. So, more often than not, technology can give you a great edge, a great lead. But actually it is always the people (behind the machines) who make the difference at the end of the day," he said.
"It is not just how the aircraft did in the air. It is also about how the individual thinks, how they work, and their willingness to develop and to experiment.
"I have always found the IAF to be extremely good. Yes, technology is a significant element, but also the individual is really important in this," he added.
Dalton also indicated that the IAF inventory of Sukhois, MiGs and Mirages are no match to the Typhoons.
"Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now," he said.
But, he added, it was not criticism, as Typhoon is the product of next generation technology.
"I would say the IAF crew that I have worked with and seen are every bit as clever as any other air crew in the world, and in many cases better. It is all about the man as the machine that they operate," he added.
Dalton said the cooperation between the RAF and the IAF will continue, as Britain valued this relationship. "IAF has a lot of experience and I would like to suck that out and use it, quite frankly," he added.
(N.C. Bipindra can be contacted at
nc.bipindra@ians.in)
News:




and you didn't even try to check the date of the article.

you just write some keywords in google and post the first juicy article that said "British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois"

good job Mr. Professional

 
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I know, but they are telling different story.

The Indians are claiming they " Indian Sukhois Dominated UK Fighter Jets in Combat "


The British on the other hand tell a different Story.


'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'



'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'

83
Submitted by [URL='http://twocircles.net/users/admin4']admin4
on 24 July 2011 - 2:32pm[/URL]

[URL='http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british_typhoons_whacked_indias_sukhois_joint_exercises.html#']By N.C. Bipindra, IANS,
RAF Fairford (Britain) : Britain's frontline fighter jet Eurofighter Typhoon, shortlisted for India's $10.4-billion combat jets tender, whacked the Indian Air Force (IAF) warhorse Sukhoi in one-on-one dog fights during bilateral air war games, if Britain's air chief is to be believed.
"Well, they lost," was Stephen Dalton's response when IANS asked how the Russia-developed India-manufactured Su-30MKI air superiority jets performed against the Royal Air Force's (RAF) Typhoons when they matched their wits during the joint exercises in recent years.
However, he was quick to add that the two aircraft are different in technologies, and that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
Dalton was interacting with IANS at the recently held Royal International Air Tattoo military air show at the RAF base here.
The two aircraft were pitted against each other during 'Indradhanush' exercises in 2007 at Waddington in Britain and in 2010 at Kalaikunda in India.
Interestingly, the IAF had claimed in 2007 that Sukhoi's performance against Typhoon had convinced the RAF of its superiority. "The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated," an Indian defence ministry release had said during the July 2007 Indradhanush.
It was, however, fair to Typhoon, saying the IAF pilots were impressed with its agility in the air.
Dalton was also all praise for the IAF for training its pilots to put any aircraft they fly to best use.
"The issue is you are comparing technology and people. So, more often than not, technology can give you a great edge, a great lead. But actually it is always the people (behind the machines) who make the difference at the end of the day," he said.
"It is not just how the aircraft did in the air. It is also about how the individual thinks, how they work, and their willingness to develop and to experiment.
"I have always found the IAF to be extremely good. Yes, technology is a significant element, but also the individual is really important in this," he added.
Dalton also indicated that the IAF inventory of Sukhois, MiGs and Mirages are no match to the Typhoons.
"Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now," he said.
But, he added, it was not criticism, as Typhoon is the product of next generation technology.
"I would say the IAF crew that I have worked with and seen are every bit as clever as any other air crew in the world, and in many cases better. It is all about the man as the machine that they operate," he added.
Dalton said the cooperation between the RAF and the IAF will continue, as Britain valued this relationship. "IAF has a lot of experience and I would like to suck that out and use it, quite frankly," he added.
(N.C. Bipindra can be contacted at [EMAIL='nc.bipindra@ians.in']nc.bipindra@ians.in[/EMAIL])

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This article is dated 2011 !!





I know, but they are telling different story.

The Indians are claiming they " Indian Sukhois Dominated UK Fighter Jets in Combat "


The British on the other hand tell a different Story.


'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'



'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'

83
Submitted by
admin4 on 24 July 2011 - 2:32pm
By N.C. Bipindra, IANS,
RAF Fairford (Britain) : Britain's frontline fighter jet Eurofighter Typhoon, shortlisted for India's $10.4-billion combat jets tender, whacked the Indian Air Force (IAF) warhorse Sukhoi in one-on-one dog fights during bilateral air war games, if Britain's air chief is to be believed.
"Well, they lost," was Stephen Dalton's response when IANS asked how the Russia-developed India-manufactured Su-30MKI air superiority jets performed against the Royal Air Force's (RAF) Typhoons when they matched their wits during the joint exercises in recent years.
However, he was quick to add that the two aircraft are different in technologies, and that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
Dalton was interacting with IANS at the recently held Royal International Air Tattoo military air show at the RAF base here.
The two aircraft were pitted against each other during 'Indradhanush' exercises in 2007 at Waddington in Britain and in 2010 at Kalaikunda in India.
Interestingly, the IAF had claimed in 2007 that Sukhoi's performance against Typhoon had convinced the RAF of its superiority. "The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated," an Indian defence ministry release had said during the July 2007 Indradhanush.
It was, however, fair to Typhoon, saying the IAF pilots were impressed with its agility in the air.
Dalton was also all praise for the IAF for training its pilots to put any aircraft they fly to best use.
"The issue is you are comparing technology and people. So, more often than not, technology can give you a great edge, a great lead. But actually it is always the people (behind the machines) who make the difference at the end of the day," he said.
"It is not just how the aircraft did in the air. It is also about how the individual thinks, how they work, and their willingness to develop and to experiment.
"I have always found the IAF to be extremely good. Yes, technology is a significant element, but also the individual is really important in this," he added.
Dalton also indicated that the IAF inventory of Sukhois, MiGs and Mirages are no match to the Typhoons.
"Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now," he said.
But, he added, it was not criticism, as Typhoon is the product of next generation technology.
"I would say the IAF crew that I have worked with and seen are every bit as clever as any other air crew in the world, and in many cases better. It is all about the man as the machine that they operate," he added.
Dalton said the cooperation between the RAF and the IAF will continue, as Britain valued this relationship. "IAF has a lot of experience and I would like to suck that out and use it, quite frankly," he added.
(N.C. Bipindra can be contacted at
nc.bipindra@ians.in)
News:


 
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That is not the Point.

The point is that Indian claims are false.

The did not tell the whole story.

It is the same story when Pakistani F-16 beat the crap out of Euro fighters in a WVR combat.

These European Fighters are not designed for DOGFIGHTS these days.

So obviously they will not fare well in WVR Dogfight combat.

In Real combat they will fight BVR where they will shoot the Crap out of Indian SU-30's.

Reason I highlighted these two disparities was to highlight that fact.

Typical Indian Journalism vying for fancy Headlines leaving key facts out of those headlines.
 
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That is not the Point.

The point is that Indian claims are false.

The did not tell the whole story.

It is the same story when Pakistani F-16 beat the crap out of Euro fighters in a WVR combat.

These European Fighters are not designed for DOGFIGHTS.

So obviously they will not fare well in WVR Dogfight combat.

In Real combat they will fight BVR where they will shoot the Crap out of Indian SU-30's.

Reason I highlighted these two disparities was to highlight that fact.

This is the biggest B.S to hear.

What for the canards are designed ?

RAF is one of the best out there, it is like a person do not know ABCD but he is a pioneer in english.

Every airforce concentrates on basics first and then try to master the use of technology.
 
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That is not the Point.

The point is that Indian claims are false.

The did not tell the whole story.

It is the same story when Pakistani F-16 beat the crap out of Euro fighters in a WVR combat.

These European Fighters are not designed for DOGFIGHTS.

So obviously they will not fare well in WVR Dogfight combat.

In Real combat they will fight BVR where they will shoot the Crap out of Indian SU-30's.

Reason I highlighted these two disparities was to highlight that fact.

So a deep penetration and strike aircraft (Su 30) whose primary tactics are BVR and Stadoff beats the $hit out of a medium range fighter that is more likely to see dogfights in actual war scenarios....that somehow shows not the 'complete' picture?

@Pakistanisage

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ECMs were not used in the dog fight. The ECMs of the Eurofighter would have made it impossible for the Su30 to get any reading on the EF whatsoever. I will try and post the article if I can find it again.
It's the same as last time when IAF stipulated during one of the exercises that they do not use ECMs and any Jammers, and limit their radars as well (the radar of the EF is a monster comparatively). They faired well in that one exercise, and RAF had a good laugh about it saying yea, if you take the claws and teeth away from a lion, it won't even able to compete with a horse.
 
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That is not the Point.

The point is that Indian claims are false.

The did not tell the whole story.

It is the same story when Pakistani F-16 beat the crap out of Euro fighters in a WVR combat.

These European Fighters are not designed for DOGFIGHTS these days.

So obviously they will not fare well in WVR Dogfight combat.

In Real combat they will fight BVR where they will shoot the Crap out of Indian SU-30's.

Reason I highlighted these two disparities was to highlight that fact.

Typical Indian Journalism vying for fancy Headlines leaving key facts out of those headlines.


EF only advantage over the Su 30 is its RCS.RCS of Su are several times higher than the EF .That is why Su employs an advanced radar.
When it comes to close dog fighting Su is really unbeatable.
 
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ECMs were not used in the dog fight. The ECMs of the Eurofighter would have made it impossible for the Su30 to get any reading on the EF whatsoever. I will try and post the article if I can find it again.
It's the same as last time when IAF stipulated during one of the exercises that they do not use ECMs and any Jammers, and limit their radars as well (the radar of the EF is a monster comparatively). They faired well in that one exercise, and RAF had a good laugh about it saying yea, if you take the claws and teeth away from a lion, it won't even able to compete with a horse.

limitiations were on both sides and this joke about how the avionics/ ECM etc. of EFT are somehow 'better' than Su 30 should be put into the dustbin. That way the monster radars of the MKI are called 'Mini AWACs' and no great advantage of the EFT over there too. EFT is a fairly conventional jet flown by a conventional AF and no great magic sauce in either. When you're defeated better to accept it than trash talk. There is always a reason why you are not 'weaker', smaller or less competent....and that reason is always given by a big mouth.
 
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It is the same story when Pakistani F-16 beat the crap out of Euro fighters in a WVR combat.

The funny thing is I see British members in other forums denying the RAF's Typhoons ever even went up against the PAF's F-16s



I also remember reading a Pakistani Air Force press release claiming that their F16s had achieved virtually the same thing against RAF Typhoons at an exercise that the Typhoon wasn't even at.

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Still at least the Indian Su30s faced the Typhoons unlike the massive well publicised* drubbing the RAF Typhoons received at the hands of Pakistani F16s, a revelation only marred by the fact there was a severe absence of Typhoons involved in the exercise.

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These European Fighters are not designed for DOGFIGHTS these days.
This is utter nonsense, the Typhoon was designed as the ultimate (European) a2a dogfighter.
 
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