India will never be as successful as China in economy

[-=virus=-]

The one party system is neither better nor worse than the multi-party system. There is no good or bad system, only suitable or unsuitable.

Ok, Zen master.. we could wax philosophical about this and debate all day but the results tell us 2 somewhat different stories.

China has so far managed to achieve more and done better on a lot more metrics than India. Primarily, I would argue, on the back of it's zero tolerance no nonsense approach to nation building, aided in no small part to their (as I said earlier) cultural homogeneity. The Uighurs are just about the only ethnic/religious group where there has been conflict, and their "uprisings" or whatever have been dealt with sternly and effectively.

In India, it is almost anarchic by comparison.. again, "too many moving parts" when the solution is to go solid state.

Honestly, it is a bit beyond me to come up with a solution but the problem is easy to see.

Basically, cultural diversity is great but only up to the point till it starts to interfere with the 'greater good' of things.. the same cultural diversity is also fuel for our slimy politicians to achieve their own selfish narrow minded and myopic goals of staying in power so they can exploit it for personal gain.

Can you even imagine openly antagonistic Islamist (or Hindutva for that matter), political parties thriving in China ? .. In India it is not just politics, there are major religious, caste and class divisions, all politicized all the time.

A country needs different systems in different environments and different time nodes.

We need to dynamically understand and observe the pace of history. If we rigidly label a system as "good" or "bad", we will inevitably fail.

Ours sure needs fixing.. Modi and the new BJP is a first step and they're pretty good given the hand they've been dealt. Let's see..

 

[VkdIndian]

India gained independence by peaceful power delivery from British.

You got your story wrong in the very first sentence of your analysis.

Anyone with even basic knowledge of Indian independence would know how blind you are.
Not your fault.
Papa Xi dictates and you follow.

 

[LakeHawk180]

You got your story wrong in the very first sentence of your analysis.

Anyone with even basic knowledge of Indian independence would know how blind you are.
Not your fault.
Papa Xi dictates and you follow.

Summed up as accurately as can be done.

 

[Leishangthem]

Human resource e asia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> south asia.

Unless you replace Indians as an entity of ethnicity,race and culture ,India is unlikely to be anywhere as successful as China,only when globally accessible technology gets so advanced that human resource quality gets negligible due to AI ,genetic engineering than India can hope to close the gap .

 

[MH.Yang]

Ok, Zen master.. we could wax philosophical about this and debate all day but the results tell us 2 somewhat different stories.

China has so far managed to achieve more and done better on a lot more metrics than India. Primarily, I would argue, on the back of it's zero tolerance no nonsense approach to nation building, aided in no small part to their (as I said earlier) cultural homogeneity. The Uighurs are just about the only ethnic/religious group where there has been conflict, and their "uprisings" or whatever have been dealt with sternly and effectively.

In India, it is almost anarchic by comparison.. again, "too many moving parts" when the solution is to go solid state.

Honestly, it is a bit beyond me to come up with a solution but the problem is easy to see.

Basically, cultural diversity is great but only up to the point till it starts to interfere with the 'greater good' of things.. the same cultural diversity is also fuel for our slimy politicians to achieve their own selfish narrow minded and myopic goals of staying in power so they can exploit it for personal gain.

Can you even imagine openly antagonistic Islamist (or Hindutva for that matter), political parties thriving in China ? .. In India it is not just politics, there are major religious, caste and class divisions, all politicized all the time.


Ours sure needs fixing.. Modi and the new BJP is a first step and they're pretty good given the hand they've been dealt. Let's see..

With all due respect, India is not a homogeneous country, and the one party system is not suitable for you.

If you want to play the one party system, you will fall into chaos because of the different demands of different nationalities and groups. In the end, the one party system will destroy your country.

Your current system is the one that best suits you.

When making a choice, you should consider the actual situation instead of just seeing successful precedents.

For example, India's caste system. We all know that it is a serious disease in India. In China, a CCP can easily abolish it by an executive order. But the Indian government cannot do so. Why?

Because the caste system is an important part of Hindu culture. India has more than 2000 ethnic groups and hundreds of languages. They think they are Indians because they have the same Hindu culture.

If you have damaged the foundation of Hindu culture, why should those different ethnic groups with different languages and colors stay in the same country as you?

Therefore, the actual situation does not allow this. This is true of the caste system and the one party system. If you forcibly implement the one party system in India, you will eventually be divided because of the one party system.

 

[Cheepek]

This is mix of first and second stage of grief.
Denial of India's growth and angry because of the realisation that without Western support, China is nothing.
Next stage is bargaining, so we may see some thaw around the borders or maybe some chummy behaviour in multilateral institutions. Maybe will try to bait India into some groups etc, but I guess we are too smart now.

 

[Cheepek]

You got your story wrong in the very first sentence of your analysis.

Anyone with even basic knowledge of Indian independence would know how blind you are.
Not your fault.
Papa Xi dictates and you follow.

Correct, the whole tldr; cope is the exact same propaganda CCP teaches to it's servile population.

 

[Black Tornado]

If the world is a video game, China chose “hard" game level from beginning. India chose "easy" game level. India gained independence by peaceful power delivery from British.

Lmao

The opposite of China, is India. Today's Indian social structure is not so much different than 1947's. With democracy together formed all obstacles to prevent any change and reform.

And you measured it with your Han index?

PRC was facing a very harsh international environment from the first day it was established. Embargoes from west world and then from east world. Nuclear war threats from both US and Soviet Union. To prepare war, China moved its most important industries to innerland mountain regions.

All sounds cozy till Han realises that all of it is rubbish and the reason why they grew at the first place was because of the sh*t tonnes of FDI that west gave you.

You can google about India’s history of conflicts and embargoes (if supa dupa CCP allows you to use it in Hanland) if you think India was in a peaceful environment .

It became friend of both US and Soviet Union during cold war. China was in "hell" mode game level in the middle stage of world game. India was still in "easy" mode.

Brainfart, India’s relations with USA have only recently easen down, else till our Nuclear weapons tests we were frenemies so to say.

Unlike Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, US never transferred any crucial technology to PRC.

Because you could easily steal all the IPR and get away with it thanks to supa dupa commie govt. Isn’t it @Cheepek ?

Birds living in harsh environment are cleverer. The CCP government is very smart, sophisticate, patient. It has the ability of self-restraint and keeping low profile. Compared to Chinese government, Indian government is like a spoiled, impulsive, cocky kid. When US government kidnapped Huawei CFO and madly sanctioned Chinese companies, Chinese government never made trouble to American investments in China. By contrast Indian government constantly robbed/banned Chinese investments in India since 2020 border conflict.

We don’t need your investments, that’s it.

I saw many Indians said India is 20 year later than China to adopt opening policy. India wil get to where China is today 20 years later. Indians believe China's success is a thing naturally to happen. They attributed China's achievements to west investments(Which India will have) and China's huge population(Which India already has). Indians forgot China and India chose different paths from the first day. They ignored all the pains and suffers China underwent on the path. No pain, no gain. It also works for India. Hypothetically to say, if India reach to half of China's economy(Which I doubt), India would for the first time face hits from used to be nice America. Will spoiled Indians and their government be able to handle the "not easy" mode by then? I don't think so.

I know you’re btthurt since the news broke off that India surpassed British economy, the reality is that your GDP grew only 0.4% this quarter, India grew 13.5%. Those who don’t follow India’s progress and refer to CCP media will always think Hanland is the richest country on earth while India is a giant village. Stay deluded, it doesn’t harm us. We overtook UK, next will be Germany and Japan and then we’ll be the 3rd largest economy both in Nominal and PPP in like 3-4 years. We’ll see how it will go beyond that.

Brewing up fantasies are good for self consumption, keep it up.

 

[-=virus=-]

With all due respect, India is not a homogeneous country, and the one party system is not suitable for you.

I know all too well it is not, hence the dilemma/conundrum..

...example, India's caste system. We all know that it is a serious disease in India. In China, a CCP can easily abolish it by an executive order. But the Indian government cannot do so. Why?

Because the caste system is an important part of Hindu culture. India has more than 2000 ethnic groups and hundreds of languages. They think they are Indians because they have the same Hindu culture.

There may be a caste system but it is not state policy, quite on the contrary, we've tried to abolish it and there are already anti-discrimination laws, mandates etc in place, the laws are fair to all.

What is next to impossible to do, however, is to police everyone's thoughts and force them to comply within their personal domain using an iron fist.

Corporates, govt. institutions etc are not allowed to discriminate while hiring, for example.. but should some, there is very little that can be done, too many legal loopholes to ever incriminate the HR people, impossible. Thankfully it is not too rampant as far as I know but it is unfixable.

For example... If some Z household will only hire (most do) only fellow Z domestic help, to the exclusion to all others.. it is their 'prerogative' .. who the hell is the government or any other authority to enforce a "X" ethnicity/group quota that they must fulfill ?

and that's why we can't abolish a system.. because it only exists in the minds of people lol

or, we go full DPRK Orwellian zombie mode and can not make our own minds up about anything (good or evil) and some nanny government tells us how to think.

"Hindu" culture (I'd say Hindustani) itself is not very homogeneous.. that's what you outsiders (understandably, given the complexity) fail to pick up on !

Therefore, the actual situation does not allow this. This is true of the caste system and the one party system. If you forcibly implement the one party system in India, you will eventually be divided because of the one party system.

It seems like it is organically evolving to a one dominant party system, but within the confines of a plurality based democratic ecosystem.

Not complaining here, a million places to improve, and it must be a constant endeavor of ours to improve, but we're pretty politically stable (for now).

 

[Hindustani78]

NO country can be as successful as China;
and the differentiating factor is not planning, education or anything else,

It is the single party system, that is much more efficient than western democracy model.

So many are working for Incredible Beijing !!!

 

[Leishangthem]

Indians should get real, considering India's population least India should be in the top 4 GDP by default.
Indian ego burgeoning because 1.4b India surpassed a 68 million tiny island called UK is pretty amusing to say the least.

Indians have elevated itself as a superpower of Asia in its own head, due to its culture of self-aggrandizement,but facing a big East Asian nation like China , which not just makes mediocrity out of India but makes it look extremely inferior,so it's finding it hard to live with reality,thus Indians indulge in more and more copium with selective, fabricated, biased and fakenews. India's motto is fake it till you make it when it comes to competition from China.

Indian's one of the favourite excuse for their failure in technological advancement is that China copies and steal ip ,meanwhile even on International Intellectual property Index, India is ranked much lower than China,china ranks 24, and India 43 out of 55.India should be tech leader of world using their own excuses.

Another common excuse of Indians is that India is a democracy,when almost 100% of advanced nations in the world are democracy.
If we go by stats , democracy is far suitable for development in 21st century than any other means of gov. Democratic labeled nations don't have whole of west conspiring to ruin their nation,that alone is one of the biggest incentive.

And last but not the least,Indians like to comment how West FDI has built China, the fact is West hardly count for even 20 % of total FDI till date. If we count the FDI during China's weak days ,it's even less,China's main investors are ethnic Chinese in HK,Taiwan that fled China with their wealth and expertise during times of turmoil. It is more like the Chinese wealth returning to China .

India pretty much adopts all the policies that China practices,India takes it even much further in regard to unfair practices by corporates which collaborate with gov,from reliance group to automobile makers like hero. Ip is the least of concern here,almost every bit of low lvl industrial capacity is on hire , imported equipment or stolen by hiring Chinese tech transfer experts,The actual base for technology is really low so India simply isn't even in contention against the likes of China.

Through Bollywood or media,Indians has indulged in the never-ending tirade of overestimating itself and its own capabilities. In reality,they don't know their ability or limitations;to optimize one's success he should understand his abilities and limitations as well. It's an inherent failure of Indian culture and aptitude.

China is a typical East Asian nation, whether it was communism or democracy they were bound to thrive like any other typical Confucious east Asian ethnic state - S.Korea,Japan, Taiwan,Singapore,hong kong no exception.

Can India compete any of the other East Asian nations in technology and development? No.
So why do Indians think India can compete with China on the same ground?

Just because western media have instigated a campaign against China for past centuries(not just post ww2) ;Indian are drunk in western media spins , since Indians hardly have their own thought process, the Indian masses seem to think they have become superior as the alternative and competitor to China, simply because they have a big population nation,though unlike China, the national size of India is not even organic but courtesy of the British.

The result of Indian self envisioned competition with China is that, India is now 5/6 times poorer than china when 40 years ago India had higher GDP per capita. Making excuses & smears against China's success while overestimation India's own mild abilities, such isn't gonna help India at all.

 

[Ajamal]

India's economic momentum has just begun. Those who say that India will not be as successful as China will Change their opinion in some time. India will grow between 8 to 10 pc for atleast two and half decade. Modiji has laid down the 2047 vision to make India a developed country. By that time, India will be the top economy of the world.

 

[Cheepek]

Indians should get real, considering India's population least India should be in the top 4 GDP by default.
Indian ego burgeoning because 1.4b India surpassed a 68 million tiny island called UK is pretty amusing to say the least.

Indians have elevated itself as a superpower of Asia in its own head, due to its culture of self-aggrandizement,but facing a big East Asian nation like China , which not just makes mediocrity out of India but makes it look extremely inferior,so it's finding it hard to live with reality,thus Indians indulge in more and more copium with selective, fabricated, biased and fakenews. India's motto is fake it till you make it when it comes to competition from China.

Indian's one of the favourite excuse of their failure in technological advancement is that China copies and teal ip ,meanwhile even on International Intellectual property Index, India is ranked much lower than China,china ranks 24, and India 43 out of 55.India should be tech leader of world using their own excuses.

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Another common excuse of Indians are that India is a democracy,when almost 100% of advanced nations in the world are democracy.
If we go by stats , democracy is far suitable for development in 21st century than any other means of gov. Democratic labeled nations don't have whole of west conspiring to ruin their nation,that alone is one of the biggest incentive.

And last but not the least,Indians like to comment how West FDI has built China, the fact is West hardly count for even 20 % of total FDI till date. If we count the FDI during China's weak days ,it's even less,China's main investors are ethnic Chinese in HK,Taiwan that fled China with their wealth and expertise during times of turmoil. It is more like the Chinese wealth returning to China .

India pretty much adopts all the policies that China practices,India takes it even much further in regard to unfair practice corporates which collaborate with gov,from reliance to automobile makers like hero. Ip is the least of concern here,almost every bit of low lvl industrial capacity is on hire ,stolen by hiring Chinese tech transfer experts,India can't even make card boxes that satisfy foreign exporters. The actual base for technology is really low so India simply isn't even in contention against the likes of China.

Through Bollywood or media,India has indulged in the never-ending tirade of overestimating itself and its capabilities. They don't know their ability or limitations;to optimize one's success he should understand his abilities and limitations. It's an inherent failure if Indian culture and aptitude.

China is a typical East Asian nation, whether it was communism or democracy they were bound to thrive like any other typical Confucious east Asian ethnic state - S.Korea,Japan, Taiwan,Singapore,hong kong no exception.

Can India compete any of the other east ASian nations in technology and development? No.
So why does Indians think India can compete with China on same ground?

Just because western media have instigated a campaign against China for past centuries(not post just ww2) ;Indian are drunk in western media spins , since Indians hardly have their own thought process, the Indian masses seem to think they have become superior as the alternative and competitor to China, simply because they have a big population nation,though unlike China, the national size of India is not even organic but courtesy of the British.

The result of Indian self envisioned competition with China is that, India is now 5/6 times poorer than china when 40 years ago India had higher GDP per capita. Making excuses & smears against China's success while overestimation India's own mild abilities, such isn't gonna help India at all.

+5 social credits

 

[Kingdom come]

+5 social credits

Literally the guy wrote walls of text without proof without sources seething by googling for 10 mins and people say china dosent have IT cells

Just calculated the guy spent 1 hr writting his rants 30 mins for his useless googling 30 mins for editing his broken English

Look at his post timing 6:30 am IST claims he lives in India the false flagging***

 

[fallstuff]

If the world is a video game, China chose “hard" game level from beginning. India chose "easy" game level. India gained independence by peaceful power delivery from British. China fulfilled its independence from bloody wars. Got rid of Japanese empire control by 14 years second Sino-Japan war. Got rid of US indirect control (KMT government) by 3 years civil war. Got rid of Soviet Union control by Korea war.

CCP's China was born and grew in wars. Of course China suffered huge lives and property loss. But this model also benefited China a lot . Established a strong central government which was free from big powers' influence. Land reform and industries nationalization were smoothly accomplished. Land lords and upper classes disappeared in China. Women were liberated. Superstitious and conservative cultures were abandoned. In a word, China's old system was completely formatted. China was running in a new and neat system. The opposite of China, is India. Today's Indian social structure is not so much different than 1947's. With democracy together formed all obstacles to prevent any change and reform.

China is like Jupiter. India is like Earth. Jupiter on the one hand dwarfs Earth. On the other hand protects Earth from asteroids attacks by absorbing most collisions to itself. PRC was facing a very harsh international environment from the first day it was established. Embargoes from west world and then from east world. Nuclear war threats from both US and Soviet Union. To prepare war, China moved its most important industries to innerland mountain regions. Because of China's existence, India enjoyed a very cosy environment. It became friend of both US and Soviet Union during cold war. China was in "hell" mode game level in the middle stage of world game. India was still in "easy" mode.

In order to survive, China never stop attempting changes. Great leap forward, cultural revolution, reform and opening, big laid off. Some attempts are not good from hindsight perspective to say. Overall China is moving forward. Meanwhile in India, change could not even happen. Talking about China reform and opening policy, many Indians have a misunderstanding that it was US and its allies that helped China to make all progresses. Wrong. Unlike Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, US never transferred any crucial technology to PRC. The biggest investment sources for China are Hongkong, Taiwan, Singapore. What the west benefited China is a free and relatively fair environment for business and competition. China learned and grew in it. So Indians, who are longing for west production chains transferred from China, should not hold high hope for the transfer. It won't help you much. India already has the key to the success door that China tried hard to have. The free and fair international environment. And obviously China is losing it because US now sees China as an enemy. In the new stage of world game, China is in "hard" mode. India is in "easy" mode, as always it is.

Birds living in harsh environment are cleverer. The CCP government is very smart, sophisticate, patient. It has the ability of self-restraint and keeping low profile. Compared to Chinese government, Indian government is like a spoiled, impulsive, cocky kid. When US government kidnapped Huawei CFO and madly sanctioned Chinese companies, Chinese government never made trouble to American investments in China. By contrast Indian government constantly robbed/banned Chinese investments in India since 2020 border conflict.

I saw many Indians said India is 20 year later than China to adopt opening policy. India wil get to where China is today 20 years later. Indians believe China's success is a thing naturally to happen. They attributed China's achievements to west investments(Which India will have) and China's huge population(Which India already has). Indians forgot China and India chose different paths from the first day. They ignored all the pains and suffers China underwent on the path. No pain, no gain. It also works for India. Hypothetically to say, if India reach to half of China's economy(Which I doubt), India would for the first time face hits from used to be nice America. Will spoiled Indians and their government be able to handle the "not easy" mode by then? I don't think so.

I don't see India catching up to China in the foreseeable times, but never say ever.