"India will break-up like Russia"-Raut

[Sharma Ji]

Probably due to Didi's thuggery. But the gains wouldn't be for long. I'll quote Abul Kalam Azad here that Bengal resents outside meddling. And that statement has pretty much stood the test of time.

Yes, there is great and growing resentment against Didi and her special brand of "secularism". Let's see how much Modi/Shah can capitalize on and consolidate the gains from the GE.

Also, most impressive, your's, Baibars' and few others here and your knowledge of Indian politics. Indians here (including me) are mostly zero anda in the internal political goings on in Pakistan. You sure you're Pakistani ? You've been accused here of being an Indian iirc, they even found a "cliftonite" on some unrelated forum where said Cliftonite stated he's an Indian from Telangana or something lol

 

[Baibars_1260]

Questions related to Marathi Hindu identity for Indian guests here:

Important aspects:
The top leadership of the RSS has always been in the hands of Chitpawan or Saraswat Brahmins who are themselves Marathas.
Questions:
So how does Brahmin Maratha identity play out?
Why must the RSS always be led by Marathi speaking Brahmins when the spiritual seat of Hinduism lies further North in UP, Bihar and Nepal.
Why for example are Hindi Sanskrit speaking RSS stalwarts such as Yogi Adiyanath, Rajendra Singh, and Sakshi Maharaj who represent the vast majority of Hindus in the heartland not find a place in the RSS?
Why must Mohan Bhagwat address the nation on the Dussehra during the Durga Puja in October in imperfect Marathi accented Hindi rather than Sanskrit which Yogi Adityanath could have done much better?
Why doesn't the Shiv Sena take the religious lead, and address the Marathis on Durga Puja in Marathi just as it does on Gudi Padwa?

Will leave the answers to Hindustani and Indian PDFerrs.
@dharmi

 

[Sharma Ji]

@dharmi
So what's the ultimate vision for '20s ( 21st Century) India?
The M. S. Golwalkar model?
For the next yug of 5000 years?

The Congress stood like a behemoth for 30 years until it suffered its first defeat in 1977.

Will India become a homogeneous integrated socially modern secular state like China?

When will the Times of India online matrimonial columns stop issuing advertisements like :
"Wanted bride for NRI Reddikar Brahmin groom, IT engineer, well settled from a reputed family from Guntur... "
Wouldn't the word NRI Hindu be sufficient?
Arn't all Hindus equal?

Why stop at just Indians or Hindus ? All humans are equal. The dharmic tradition is inherently "secular".

We'll probably continue to see 'casteism' in matters of matrimony for a while, unfortunately. It's a quirk, not a feature or a bug.. kya karein ?

 

[Cliftonite]

You sure you're Pakistani ? You've been accused here of being an Indian iirc, they even found a "cliftonite" on some unrelated forum where said Cliftonite stated he's an Indian from Telangana or something lol

Lol. Not the first time this has happened.

But yeah I am a Pakistani. My paternal grandparents were from India (strict Doabi UPites) so there is that sort of vestigial connection. Plus I like to keep myself updated on geopolitics of this whole region.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Modi will not let this happen. @SrNair, @El Sidd, Sorry Sirs. Couldn't resist tagging experts.

Bagheera,
Is India that predictable?
After India's "thousand year victory" the "Iron Lady " predicted India would around for the next 5000 years, after the "West had departed with their transistor sets".
Maybe... but we could look to the next 10 years.
Will Modi's India be a stable peaceful India and a model for the rest of the world to emulate?

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Bengal resists outside meddling not trade and cultural exchanges.

Is it only Bengal?
How about Manipur, and Nagaland?

 

[Baibars_1260]

Any Marathi Manus on this forum?
Pakistanis are interested in their views on this thread.

 

[Cliftonite]

What is mainland India?

Where the Dharmics live. Northeast is ricebag and chinky.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Minus the Andaman and Nicobar and the Lakhadweep, the rest in the mainland.

 

[Baibars_1260]

What is mainland India?

We are diverting from the topic. This thread is about the rise of Marathi sub-nationalism and how it feels constrained in an India with a strong Central government as it is today.
There is dialectical materialist logic in the statement:
"Every system creates within itself the forces of its own destruction "
In fact this phenomenon is evident in physics when trying to instantly bring two sub-critical masses of U-235 together results in a nuclear explosion.

So the more India tries to control sub-nationalism the more it will tend to fly apart.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Marathi and all sub nationalism has its roots and are a subset of Hindu culture.

The grand daddy of all sub continent is Hinduism and Sanskrit language. Rest everyone is a kid and will submerge back sooner or later.

Thanks! That was informative.

Could you comment on the following questions?
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The top leadership of the RSS has always been in the hands of Chitpawan or Saraswat Brahmins who are themselves Marathas.
Questions:
So how does Brahmin Maratha identity play out?
1. Why must the RSS always be led by Marathi speaking Brahmins when the spiritual seat of Hinduism lies further North in UP, Bihar and Nepal.
2. Why for example are Hindi Sanskrit speaking RSS stalwarts such as Yogi Adiyanath, Rajendra Singh, and Sakshi Maharaj who represent the vast majority of Hindus in the heartland not find a place in the RSS?
3. Why must Mohan Bhagwat address the nation on the Dussehra during the Durga Puja in October in imperfect Marathi accented Hindi rather than Sanskrit which Yogi Adityanath could have done much better?
4. Why doesn't the Shiv Sena take the religious lead, and address the Marathis on Durga Puja in Marathi just as it does on Gudi Padwa?

 

[El Sidd]

@SrNair, @El Sidd, Sorry Sirs. Couldn't resist tagging experts.

Of course these sensationalist statements should not be taken seriously.

Everybody knows that balkanising India is the only way forward for humanity

 

[Silverblaze]

Pakistan first !
The genocide of Muslims will happen in most of India regardless.

But once the genocide is complete then other forces automatically take over. Punjab in India is a case in point. The Muslims in Punjab were completely cleansed out in 1947 ( except for one tiny pocket of Malerkotla). With the Muslims gone as a common enemy linguistic, and religious tensions arose within the Sikh Hindu , Jat and Himachali communities.
It was not long before the Punjabi Suba ( read Sikh majority movement) further trisected the state into Haryana, Punjab, and Himachal. The original Punjab, a huge state stretching from the plains of the Ravi to the Shivalik mountains was reduced to a rump state which shares its capital with Haryana.
Similarly the state of Hyderabad is split between Andhra and Telengana where even a minute linguistic and cultural difference of a Telugu speaking population has resulted in violence and separation.
It is significant that Andhra threatened to revive its provisional seat in the UN General Assembly once held by the Nizam Hyderabad state.
Tamil subculture is once again openly hostile to Hindi speaking "Delhi influence " regardless of which faction of the DMK is in power. Like Punjab which honors the assassins of Indira Gandhi the assassins of her son Rajeev Gandhi are martyrs and heroes in Tamil Nadu.

its a pleasure to read your in depth analyses. Thanks for your analyses.

Now, its hard to take out the Pakistan factor which gives them a sense of unity. If this factor is removed, Maharashtra can be serious rival to their center.

Your points about what Pakistan should do are right, but the question is will it help when Bjp decides to galvanize the nation with another stunt like in feb 2019?

Do you think anti pakistan sentiment is still strong enough to overshadow maharashtra center differences?

 

[Baibars_1260]

I suppose you are a migrant from Mainland India.

Since we are always so curious as to "who-is-who" , and who comes from where, curious where you are from?

Would you happen know this
address in Delhi?

 

[Cliftonite]

I suppose you are a migrant from Mainland India.

Nope. I am a 3rd gen Pakistani Muhajir.

But you bhakts take hours and hours to research Islam and Pakistan. Isn't it fun when a Pakistani returns the favor?

 

[Cliftonite]

1. Marathi speaking Brahmins consider themselves as the successor of Peshwas and Maratha Empire who fought for Hind Swarajya. RSS is formed by them. Nathuram Godse belongs here. Current Indian Army chief is part of the same clan.

Know who else is from that clan?

Sagarika Ghatge. Married to Zaheer Khan.

Hahaha mic drop.

. Marathi speaking Brahmins consider themselves as the successor of Peshwas and Maratha Empire who fought for Hind Swarajya. RSS is formed by them. Nathuram Godse belongs here. Current Indian Army chief is part of the same clan

Hmmmm who else is from that clan?

Let me think.

Aditi Govitrikar. Married to another...... Muslim. Hahahhahahhahahaha

So much for Hindu women don't fancy Muslim men.