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India will train Vietnamese sailors in submarine warfare as part of its effort to reinforce defense ties with countries across the Asia-Pacific region.

The development is expected to disturb Beijing, analysts and officials said, and will be closely watched by Pakistan.

Vietnam has ordered six Kilo-class subs from the Russian Admiralty Shipyard in St. Petersburg to add to its of two South Korean-made Yugo-class midget submarines. India has operated Kilos since 1986.

Like India, Vietnam has fought with China and is fast emerging as an economic power in the region, said an Indian Navy official, who said New Delhi should aid Vietnam in any way it can.

“The Sino-Indian ties are poised in a very delicate phase with many ups and downs,” said Probal Ghosh, a senior fellow with the Observer Research Foundation. “This will definitely affect the ties, even though China is well aware that we are supporting Vietnam for strategic gains against China.

“There is a likelihood that it may prove to be the impetus for China to consider giving Pakistan a nuclear submarine,” Ghosh added. “Such a move will really up the ante and will affect India’s security calculus considerably.”

However, analysts agree that India should warm ties with Vietnam, despite Beijing’s response.

“It is important that we engage with Vietnam,” defense analyst Anil Jai Singh said. “It is an emerging country in the region; we have always had good relations with it and we must engage economically, politically and militarily to develop a strong bilateral relationship. We are doing this independent of the US, but they would not be averse to our growing relationship. If China gets disturbed, well, so be it.”

A diplomat from the Vietnamese Embassy here said defense cooperation is a pillar of strategic partnership between the two countries, which he said will increase further to include joint development of defense projects but declined to specify details.

India will train Vietnamese sailors to operate submarines and to engage in underwater warfare, said the Indian Navy source, adding that the training would take place on a Russian-made Kilo sub.

India has also decided to give a $100 million credit line to Vietnam to buy military equipment, including offshore patrol vessels, an Indian Defence Ministry source said, but a deal hasn’t been formalized.

The extension of military credit would be the first India has given to any country.

India and Vietnam are jointly exploring for oil in the Phu Kanh basin of the South China Sea, which Vietnam says is within its zone of influence, a claim China disputes.

Vietnam has been negotiating with India to acquire the supersonic anti-ship cruise missile BrahMos, which is built jointly here by India and Russia. No deal has been finalized to sell the missile, which has land and sea versions, with an air version under development.

Sale of the BrahMos is questionable because Russia has friendly relations with China, and there could be issues relating to international controls. The BrahMos’ 290-kilometer range could be extended beyond 300 kilometers, putting it under Missile Technology Control Regime restrictions.

“I think the restrictive regimes would preclude any such thing happening in the near future. India itself would consider such a possibility very carefully,” Singh said.

As their ties strengthen, “India could ... consider ... including Vietnam in the future network-centric warfare program,”defense analyst Nitin Mehta said.
 
IF they are trained by Americans maybe, Russians, sure.

But Indians? Since when has India been the master at sea? With 14 Subs you have less than just one of our fleet's subs.

So is this Vietnam's quest to be below average?

Worried, yea right.
 
IF they are trained by Americans maybe, Russians, sure.

But Indians? Since when has India been the master at sea? With 14 Subs you have less than just one of our fleet's subs.

So is this Vietnam's quest to be below average?

Worried, yea right.

IN mastered at sea way before PLAAN using floating casino... you are talking about IN not IA...
 
IN mastered at sea way before PLAAN using floating casino... you are talking about IN not IA...

So, you are training them for carrier operations then…..

We are talking submarine operations are we not. When was the last time India was said to be a strong submarine nation.

Besides, carrier may be important, but it's not like IN has super carriers or anything. All signs points to China having carriers that will be twice the size of the INS Vikramaditya by the end of the decade…..
 
So, you are training them for carrier operations then…..

We are talking submarine operations are we not. When was the last time India was said to be a strong submarine nation.

Besides, carrier may be important, but it's not like IN has super carriers or anything. All signs points to China having carriers that will be twice the size of the INS Vikramaditya by the end of the decade…..
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Chinese do not care. Good .. :enjoy:

We should train others also like Philippines, Indonesia and whoever wants to be trained.
 
So, you are training them for carrier operations then…..

We are talking submarine operations are we not. When was the last time India was said to be a strong submarine nation.

Besides, carrier may be important, but it's not like IN has super carriers or anything. All signs points to China having carriers that will be twice the size of the INS Vikramaditya by the end of the decade…..

Don't overestimate yourselves.
When was China said to have a strong submarine force? And numbers don't mean everything.
This was proved a week ago or so when Indonesia cancelled a pact with China to train its Su-30 pilots to train with the IAF.
It seems like an ongoing trend to ignore China to train with us, maybe coz they know who's better.
Well if you think that, then you must have little knowledge of the Vikrant-class aircraft carriers currently underway.
 
Don't overestimate yourselves.
When was China said to have a strong submarine force? And numbers don't mean everything.
This was proved a week ago or so when Indonesia cancelled a pact with China to train its Su-30 pilots to train with the IAF.
It seems like an ongoing trend to ignore China to train with us, maybe coz they know who's better.
Well if you think that, then you must have little knowledge of the Vikrant-class aircraft carriers currently underway.

They ignore China for political reasons. China is always mentioned in the top 5 and most times number 3 in terms of submarine forces are concerned.

Indian military is about as battle proven as China is. IF you are going to go that route, then they also didn't train with Russia, the maker of the Kilo subs, is India better than Russia then….

As to Vikrant, I didn't bring carriers into this, but a Indian members did. But even if we do mention it. It's still only 40,000 tons and no Catapult. Ours will be at least 80,000+. Even our floating casino is bigger than that.
 
IF they are trained by Americans maybe, Russians, sure.

But Indians? Since when has India been the master at sea? With 14 Subs you have less than just one of our fleet's subs.

So is this Vietnam's quest to be below average?

Worried, yea right.

Above source clearly saying that India has been operating kilo class submarines since 1986.. That is 28 years of experience on that class subs.. This class started commisioning in 1982.. That is India is one of the intial operators of this class.. I think now your doubt cleared..
 
Indian sub operations capabilities are much above the Chinese. So its only fair that they leave China and partner India.
 

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