India to support Sri Lanka in UN

[ThaniOruvan]

I expect india to support srilanka this time. It will just end BJP forever in TN just like congress was ended.
But hope the international community will ensure that justice is done.

My personal opinion is India must support Sri Lanka in UN and give it a hard caning inside closed doors.
Alienating Sri Lanka has strategic implications.

 

[haviZsultan]

Wheres @samv?

 

[Gibbs]

That is some serious joke.
These countries supported Sri Lanka only for the war against LTTE and not for the genocide it's army conducted on innocent civilians.
They cannot get away with that and that is the reason there is an arbitration going on in the UN where all the countries which you hand picked with excitement and pasted above are members.
You had doubts whether Tamil Nadu is a state or a Country? Well that was pathetic.

Lol.. ok.. Not only do you have major issues in comprehension, But seem to be blank on sarcasm as well.. Thats the Tamil Nadu part fyi..

No genocide happened, Just because some satirical political jokers in Tamil Nadu and the LTTE rump bay about it day and night doesn't make it true.. The UNHRC it self acknowledges it

Responding to a question sent by The Hindu in this regard, Ravina Shamdasani, spokesperson for the High Commissioner, stated via email: “This [the U.N. report] does not preclude such a finding [that genocide was committed] being made as a result of further criminal investigations, including by the hybrid court that we recommend.”

“The crime of genocide requires specific objective and subjective elements. On the basis of the information we were able to gather, we did not come to the conclusion that these elements were met,” she said.

UN defends 'silence on genocide' in Sri Lanka war crimes report - The Hindu

And all those countries.. Real countries not assumed "Other Countries" who are in the forefront are collectively support a domestic investigation within the Sri Lankan judiciary.. So what ever the punishment given to the perpetrators will be given by the Sri lankan judiciary.. Outsiders have no say in it what so ever.. I hope thats not too hard for you to understand

My personal opinion is India must support Sri Lanka in UN and give it a hard caning inside closed doors.
Alienating Sri Lanka has strategic implications.

Well fantasies does make you feel good..

 

[Saradiel]

No.. Pls highlight where and there wont be universal jurisdiction because SL is not a signatory to such statues

the report suggests so and the government is accepting it..

These countries supported Sri Lanka only for the war against LTTE and not for the genocide it's army conducted on innocent civilians.
They cannot get away with that and that is the reason there is an arbitration going on in the UN where all the countries which you hand picked with excitement and pasted above are members.
You had doubts whether Tamil Nadu is a state or a Country? Well that was pathetic.

which countries supported SL? US...a big LOL...US wanted to keep the war going on in SL in low intensity not finishing the war. And US pressurised the SLG to stop the war and let the LTTE leaders to surrender to a THIRD party...and SLG said...hell NO and killed the bastards.

Yes, SL cannot get away with a genocide. You know why? because there was no genocide.....do you think a collateral damage that was minimized by the SLA is a genocide...do you actually know what a genocide is....Actually when compared with the rest of the world SL handled the situation pretty well. and minimized the civilian casualty as much as they can.

We have lived on this planet enough time to realise that if US is concerned about the human rights or war crimes of another country and bring country specific actions, that is totally not because of Human rights,..we are grown up enough to know that there is something fishy in it and it is totally about US's interests.......

Finally SLA not only avoided war crimes but conducted the war in a way more honourable manner... Seeing the Syrian crisis and the refugee crisis actually I have more respect for the past SLG on how they managed the situation.

For the little ones who talk about a genocide in SL, listen this guy ....he is correct on most things..

 

[Gibbs]

the report suggests so and the government is accepting it..

Machun you cant be vague about it.. Point out where.. the final draft as far as i'm aware Mentions nothing about direct foreign involvement.. No investigators, Because the resolution it self is quite clear it's not a criminal investigation but a humanitarian issue.. There is only one provision for foreign involvement in Commonwealth or other reputed lawyers sitting for prosecution and that at the behest of the Supreme court, Only the supreme court of Sri Lanka can grant that permission.. Even the motion on demilitarization of the North and East have been removed from the final draft respecting the countries sovereignty

Meanwhile..

Human Rights Council Betrays Tamils, Appoints Killer as Judge, Says Vaiko -The New Indian Express

COIMBATORE: With the United Nations' report on Sri Lankan war crimes likely to come up for discussion at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on Wednesday, MDMK general secretary Vaiko said that it will a black day for Tamils all over the world.

Talking to reporters at Coimbatore International Airport on Tuesday he said that justice will be hanged and openly buried, right on the premises of the Human Rights Council. "Innocent Tamils were murdered and hospitals were bombed, killing patients, which is genocide. Don't Tamils belong to human race and why should we be punished like this?" he asked.

“UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein says more sufficient evidence is needed to establish genocide, which means the investigation team is not allowed to enter Sri Lanka. I blame the countries, particularly the US and UK for conniving with Lanka at the behest of India," he charged.

He further said that the draft resolution released a couple of days ago wanted the demilitarisation of the North and East of Sri Lanka but the final draft made no mention of it.

"The UN High Commissioner had recommended a hybrid court but the draft resolution says no involvement of foreign judges, but only the Sri Lankan government will decide on the human rights violations during the war,” Vaiko said.

"The killer has been made the judge and India has played a major role to betray the Tamils," he rued.

Vaiko accused the previous UPA regime of being responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Tamils and also the DMK-PMK alliance in Tamil Nadu for abetting the crime.

He made an appeal to the people supporting human rights to fight for the Sri Lankan Tamils. "Ten lakh youth should come forward to fight for justice to Sri Lankan Tamils," he urged.

 

[Spectre]

Machun you cant be vague about it.. Point out where.. the final draft as far as i'm aware Mentions nothing about direct foreign involvement.. No investigators, Because the resolution it self is quite clear it's not a criminal investigation but a humanitarian issue.. There is only one provision for foreign involvement in Commonwealth or other reputed lawyers sitting for prosecution and that at the behest of the Supreme court, Only the supreme court of Sri Lanka can grant that permission.. Even the motion on demilitarization of the North and East have been removed from the final draft respecting the countries sovereignty

Meanwhile..

Human Rights Council Betrays Tamils, Appoints Killer as Judge, Says Vaiko -The New Indian Express

COIMBATORE: With the United Nations' report on Sri Lankan war crimes likely to come up for discussion at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on Wednesday, MDMK general secretary Vaiko said that it will a black day for Tamils all over the world.

Talking to reporters at Coimbatore International Airport on Tuesday he said that justice will be hanged and openly buried, right on the premises of the Human Rights Council. "Innocent Tamils were murdered and hospitals were bombed, killing patients, which is genocide. Don't Tamils belong to human race and why should we be punished like this?" he asked.

“UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein says more sufficient evidence is needed to establish genocide, which means the investigation team is not allowed to enter Sri Lanka. I blame the countries, particularly the US and UK for conniving with Lanka at the behest of India," he charged.

He further said that the draft resolution released a couple of days ago wanted the demilitarisation of the North and East of Sri Lanka but the final draft made no mention of it.

"The UN High Commissioner had recommended a hybrid court but the draft resolution says no involvement of foreign judges, but only the Sri Lankan government will decide on the human rights violations during the war,” Vaiko said.

"The killer has been made the judge and India has played a major role to betray the Tamils," he rued.

Vaiko accused the previous UPA regime of being responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Tamils and also the DMK-PMK alliance in Tamil Nadu for abetting the crime.

He made an appeal to the people supporting human rights to fight for the Sri Lankan Tamils. "Ten lakh youth should come forward to fight for justice to Sri Lankan Tamils," he urged.

What a clown!! these DMK Politicians are a blot on India - if they love Tamilians so much why don't they invite them all to India and give them Billions of Dollars they have looted from India.

India should respect Srilankan Govt and it's people and should have a hands off policy - their country and their business whatever they want to do. It's not like India is paradise - we have tonnes of similar problems like that of Srilanka where minority accuses the majority of oppression despite of best efforts. Interfering in Srilanka is like playing with fire.

 

[Saradiel]

Machun you cant be vague about it.. Point out where..

It is in the report, in pg 251. And the gov is accepting the report.

the final draft as far as i'm aware Mentions nothing about direct foreign involvement.. No investigators, Because the resolution it self is quite clear it's not a criminal investigation but a humanitarian issue..

how is it being humanitarian any different? I didnt see teh final draft and the report had asked for foreign prosecutors.

There is only one provision for foreign involvement in Commonwealth or other reputed lawyers sitting for prosecution and that at the behest of the Supreme court, Only the supreme court of Sri Lanka can grant that permission..

well what makes you think SL courts will not allow it? RW himself said there would be ones from CW.

 

[indianBong]

India should put economic saanction on Sri Lanka. Enough said

bro.. think of national interest first... if we do that we loose SL... and China wont miss this opportunity to make a base there... we will be surrounded...

 

[Gibbs]

What a clown!! these DMK Politicians are a blot on India - if they love Tamilians so much why don't they invite them all to India and give them Billions of Dollars they have looted from India.

India should respect Srilankan Govt and it's people and should have a hands off policy - their country and their business whatever they want to do. It's not like India is paradise - we have tonnes of similar problems like that of Srilanka where minority accuses the majority of oppression despite of best efforts. Interfering in Srilanka is like playing with fire.

To their credit the GOI doing all the right moves diplomatically and on the economic front.. Despite these domestic political irritants .. The Modi administration is not bound by regional politics, Which is seen in it's improvements in robust diplomacy all around.. The hope would be that the central govt hence forth will remove themselves from the Tamil Nadu and the Tamil prism when dealing with Sri Lanka a soveriegn nation, Something that has been a hurdle for better relationship and stability in the region

 

[Echo_419]

India to support Sri Lanka in UN - The Economic Times

NEW DELHI: India is likely to back Sri Lanka on the United Nations Human Rights Council resolution over alleged war crimes if it is put to vote in Geneva on Thursday, officials said, attributing the decision to measures taken by the new government in Colombo to empower Tamil minorities.

The resolution, co-sponsored by the USA and Sri Lanka and supported by a few European nations including the UK, Macedonia and Montenegro, was tabled last week. India is backing Sri Lanka in its opposition to the inclusion of foreign judges, as envisioned in the draft resolution, to probe the war crimes committed during the conflict with the LTTE.

Officials said although India would prefer consensus to emerge on the resolution, the government is likely to support Sri Lanka if the resolution is put to vote on any contentious issue.

According to experts, the resolution is probably the best so far in post-war Sri Lanka on alleged human rights and war crime abuses. The erstwhile Rajapaksa government did not take adequate steps that would satisfy the international community, they said.

Sri Lankan Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe on Sunday made it clear that his government could only act within the framework of the country's constitution, which does not allow foreign judges to operate in the country. While international expertise will be welcome, the country's judiciary will have to approve the extent of its involvement, he said.

Wickremesinghe's assertions came in the backdrop of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein's call for a hybrid special court, integration of international judges, prosecutors, lawyers and investigators to probe the alleged rights abuses during the civil war that ended in 2009.

But the US-sponsored draft resolution has called for a domestic judicial mechanism that includes foreign judges to probe the war crimes - in contrast to Al Hussein's report - after the US and Sri Lanka held deliberations on the issue. Sri Lanka has been consistently insisting on a domestic mechanism to investigate the matter.

India, backing its neighbour, publicly stated that Sri Lankan sovereignty must be respected. External affairs ministry spokesman Vikas Swarup, following a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Sri Lankan President M Sirisena in New York on the sidelines of the UN where the UNHRC issue was discussed, said that Sri Lanka is actively engaging with the Human Rights Council on the issue.

"It is a sea change from the position that was there earlier. Our position is very clear. We stand for justice and at the same time we are respectful of the Sri Lankan sovereignty issues to the extent the Sri Lankan government is comfortable with the formulation that marries the two. We will be comfortable with that," Swarup said last week, asserting that any resolution must be acceptable to Sri Lanka.

India is on principle opposed to the role of foreign judges in internal conflict or affairs of any country, officials said. They further said that India is satisfied with the steps that Sirisena government took within days of coming to power for emancipation of Tamils, including the decision to make Tamil National Alliance leader the leader of opposition after general polls in the country last month.

The Sirisena government has appointed eminent civilians as governors of the northern and eastern provinces in place of military commanders, in an effort to reach out to Tamil minorities, and decided to return 1,000 acres of private land under the army's control to its owners in the northern part of Jaffna Peninsula. It has also decided to release land to resettle about 1,022 Tamil families displaced by the war in northern Sri Lanka

Other confidence building measures for the minorities include lifting of travel restrictions to northern Lanka and release of political prisoners, many of whom are languishing in jail without either being brought to trial or even charges being framed against them. The Sirisena government appointed a Tamil as the chief justice of the Supreme Court and committed to 13th amendment in the constitution and more for devolution of powers to Tamils.

Good to see

To their credit the GOI doing all the right moves diplomatically and on the economic front.. Despite these domestic political irritants .. The Modi administration is not bound by regional politics, Which is seen in it's improvements in robust diplomacy all around.. The hope would be that the central govt hence forth will remove themselves from the Tamil Nadu and the Tamil prism when dealing with Sri Lanka a soveriegn nation, Something that has been a hurdle for better relationship and stability in the region

I agree cooperation with SL is the only option

 

[Spectre]

To their credit the GOI doing all the right moves diplomatically and on the economic front.. Despite these domestic political irritants .. The Modi administration is not bound by regional politics, Which is seen in it's improvements in robust diplomacy all around.. The hope would be that the central govt hence forth will remove themselves from the Tamil Nadu and the Tamil prism when dealing with Sri Lanka a soveriegn nation, Something that has been a hurdle for better relationship and stability in the region

Thank god for small mercies. Unfortunately Tamil Nadu will have a influence in Indian Foreign Policy whenever the Govt in Power depends on regional parties for it's majority. Thankfully the present Govt is unconstrained and does not need to Pander to the corrupt and narcissistic clowns of Tamil Nadu.

Importance of Sri-Lanka as a friend can't be overstated both strategically and commercially. The key thing is to tread the fine line between a friend and a overbearing and interfering nuisance. This implies no comments or actions on issues sensitive to SL, taking care of the SL concerns like illegal fishing, investment without strings, no interference in politics and no endorsements to specific political leaders.

 

[Gibbs]

It is in the report, in pg 251. And the gov is accepting the report.

No they did'nt.. They're in fact rejected the first resolution.. Let alone the sec gen report.. Im not sure where you're getting these misinformation

Government opposes first draft text of resolution | Colombo Gazette

This is how things work.. First resolution is presented and the diplomats work on it, Lobbying and making it more suitable for the interests of the country.. So the final draft looks nothing like the first and will be adopted on Thursday.. So how can you say the govt has accepted the report.

how is it being humanitarian any different?

They consider it a Human rights issue not a criminal issue, Even so there can be no international prosecution of any Sri Lankan citizen because SL is not a signatory to the Rome statute on War crimes

well what makes you think SL courts will not allow it? RW himself said there would be ones from CW.

Nobody has sad there will be prosecutors as definite.. There can be foreign lawyers appointed if so required or asked by the aggrieved parties from the Supreme court of Sri Lanka.. And not just any lawyers but commonwealth lawyers that the Supreme court of Sri Lanka deems impartial.. The sole prerogative for that will be with the Supreme court.. And pls make the clear definition.. The provisions are for lawyers not judges, So the Judgments will be done by Sri Lankan judges of the Supreme court of Sri Lanka

Note: Sorry for the repetitions but i cant impress enough upon the Apex of this whole peocess will be the supreme court of the country NOT some foreign legal entity

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Lol.. ok.. Not only do you have major issues in comprehension, But seem to be blank on sarcasm as well.. Thats the Tamil Nadu part fyi..

No genocide happened, Just because some satirical political jokers in Tamil Nadu and the LTTE rump bay about it day and night doesn't make it true.. The UNHRC it self acknowledges it

What !! No human rights violations and genocide ?!?!?!? That is blinder....
Sri Lanka committed it so they will defend themselves. I see your argument under that category.
Anyway this will be discussed in UN. We cannot finalize it now.

Well fantasies does make you feel good..

It is very much possible....realize... !

 

[Saradiel]

This is how things work.. First resolution is presented and the diplomats work on it, Lobbying and making it more suitable for the interests of the country.. So the final draft looks nothing like the first and will be adopted on Thursday.. So how can you say the govt has accepted the report.

Because the FM already said report is good and not biased while it is not..and accepted the report.

They consider it a Human rights issue not a criminal issue, Even so there can be no international prosecution of any Sri Lankan citizen because SL is not a signatory to the Rome statute on War crimes

yes, but it has to be under universal jurisdiction..

Sorry for the repetitions but i cant impress enough upon the Apex of this whole peocess will be the supreme court of the country NOT some foreign legal entity

I have to take your words. But i hardly trust RW.

 

[SrNair]

I expect india to support srilanka this time. It will just end BJP forever in TN just like congress was ended.

But hope the international community will ensure that justice is done.

.AFAIK BJP is in absolute majority and dont have significant seats in TN.

On topic .Good decision by India.We Indians dont like when some one force us in Kashmir issue.
Tamil minorities well being in SL is mainly depend on the cooperation between Sinhalas and Tamils in there whether you like it or not.
And noone in here spell a single word about the atrocities committed by LTTE against Tamils in SL.