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New Delhi: After nearly 20 years, indigenous manufactured INSAS rifles will be finally 'retiring' from the army and replaced by an imported assault rifle which will be manufactured in the country later.

The Indian Small Arms System (INSAS), which was inducted in the army 1988, is likely to be replaced with deadlier assault rifles of higher caliber (7.62x51), official sources said.

The sources said that as many as 18 vendors, including some Indian companies having a tie-up with a foreign arms manufacturing firm, have sent in their consent to replace nearly two lakh such rifles used by the army along the borders and in counter-insurgency operations.

The reason for phasing out of INSAS, as cited by experts, was that it was not effective at long range and at best, it could only maim the enemy.

The sources said that 7.62x51 assault rifles have already been introduced in the Pakistani army which purchased them from Heckler and Koch, one of the world's leading small arms manufacturers based in Germany.

The proposal for procuring the new assault rifles was in pre-Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) stage and expected to be completed by the year end after putting the process of purchase of these weapons on a fast track.

The sources said that emphasis was being laid on arming the Special Forces of the army in the Northeast as of now and the proposal will come up before the Defence Acquisition Committee (DAC) soon.

After the new weaponry for the Special Forces aimed at helping them in close-combat situations, the focus will shift to procurement of the assault rifles and replace the INSAS, the sources said.

The foreign vendor would also be required to participate in Transfer of Technology (ToT) so that there is no dearth of ammunition and maintenance of the assault rifles in the country. These weapons can kill the enemy up to an effective strength of 500 metres.

The conceptualisation of the INSAS began in early 1980's before it was finally handed over for production to Ichapur Ordnance Factory in West Bengal. In 1993, the design of the rifle was changed before being introduced in the army in 1996.

The rifle was put to use during the 1999 Kargil war.



http://www.news18.com/news/india/in...-imported-ones-to-take-its-place-1356412.html
 
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Why are they going backwards.

For example, India had the 4th fastest supercomputer in the world last decade, but now they fell out of the top 100.

They manufactured indigenous assault rifles, now they are replacing them with foreign imports.
 
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Why are they going backwards.

For example, India had the 4th fastest supercomputer in the world last decade, but now they fell out of the top 100.

They manufactured indigenous assault rifles, now they are replacing them with foreign imports.
It's a matter of research topic. Back then India made its own super computer, designed almost completely a Cryogenics rocket engine etc in middle of Uncle Sam's wrath,but now we have accessibility to most of the modern technology from market and we are ignoring desi products where ever it's possible. Too bad...
 
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Why are they going backwards.

For example, India had the 4th fastest supercomputer in the world last decade, but now they fell out of the top 100.

They manufactured indigenous assault rifles, now they are replacing them with foreign imports.
These insas rifles didn't help them much in Kargil and they would often crack and jam.
 
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These insas rifles didn't help them much in Kargil and they would often crack and jam.

This was the first batch, the latest models dont have a problem. It's just not a modern rifle that needs to be replaced.


Why are they going backwards.

For example, India had the 4th fastest supercomputer in the world last decade, but now they fell out of the top 100.

They manufactured indigenous assault rifles, now they are replacing them with foreign imports.


Dude, there are small private firms in India supplying and meeting NATO requirements, but no orders from the IA. Things work funny in India, with Indian users.

They originally had a RFI for a completely different type of rifle that can handle 3 ammo---------

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Prototyping done, trials all over India, then they dont want ANY of those ammo. Who does that?
 
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This was the first batch, the latest models dont have a problem. It's just not a modern rifle that needs to be replaced.





Dude, there are small private firms in India supplying and meeting NATO requirements, but no orders from the IA. Things work funny in India, with Indian users.

They originally had a RFI for a completely different type of rifle that can handle 3 ammo---------

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Wt2pItP.jpg


Prototyping done, trials all over India, then they dont want ANY of those ammo. Who does that?

Procurement should be done by the Central government. The military is either incompetent, corrupt, or a combination of the two.
 
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WTF was the point of asking the labs to develop a gun that can fire three different rounds when you are going to just use the 7.62. Its a waste of money and time.
 
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WTF was the point of asking the labs to develop a gun that can fire three different rounds we you are going to just use the 7.62. Its a waste of money and time.


If they just picked one of the three rounds, no big deal, but they went ahead and picked a round completely outside of what they wanted in the first place. MoD even mentioned their comic book requirements, and constant changing for requirements.

It's like asking ISRO to make an SLV, but their user changes the requirement mid way into trials, all of a sudden they want something like a PSLV. What? Would ISRO even be ISRO today?
 
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This was the first batch, the latest models dont have a problem. It's just not a modern rifle that needs to be replaced.
First batch?...in Kargil war... are you okay..the rifle was inducted in 1988 as per the article while the Kargil war happened in 1999...so how come they operated the first batch for 11 years? :hitwall:
 
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First batch?...in Kargil war... are you okay..the rifle was inducted in 1988 as per the article while the Kargil war happened in 1999...so how come they operated the first batch for 11 years? :hitwall:


Actually no, mass production happened in the 1997-98. The problems that these outlets are talking about are about the initial variants. These news outlet recycle the same crap from decades. Nevertheless, it's not a modern rifle.

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The rifle is being used by the IA in Siachen, Thar, etc.
 
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Actually no, mass production happened in the 1997-98. The problems that these outlets are talking about are about the initial variants. These news outlet recycle the same crap from decades. Nevertheless, it's not a modern rifle.

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The rifle is being used by the IA in Siachen, Thar, etc.

Read below mate.. and believe this is not a Pakistani news site.
The Indian Small Arms System (INSAS), which was inducted in the army 1988, is likely to be replaced with deadlier assault rifles of higher caliber (7.62x51), official sources said.
The article clearly says inducted in 1988 it means it was developed long before 1988..so can you throw some light why did it take so many years for the mass production to take place....something is not adding up here.
 
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Read below mate.. and believe this is not a Pakistani news site.

The article clearly says inducted in 1988 it means it was developed long before 1988..so can you throw some light why did it take so many years for the mass production to take place....something is not adding up here.



The article is wrong. The prototype was displayed around that time, induction, mass production happened around the mid 90s.

Doesnt need to be a Pakistani site, Indian sources are just as worse.
 
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The article is wrong. The prototype was displayed around that time, induction, mass production happened around the mid 90s.

Doesnt need to be a Pakistani site, Indian sources are just as worse.
Okay let's say we agree on that..but why did india not develop another indigenous rifle to replace it?
I mean Pakistan is also doing the same and they will produce two different foreign rifles (Beretta and the other) locally but india always makes tall claims about its technology being indigenous..
 
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