India to overtake China in seven years, says UN report

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Foreign cheap labors are abundant in the regions around China. Larbor force is never a problem in this region. Even better is that you don't have to pay for their retirement and welfare since they are not your citizens.


The population base is too small and the country basically has no natural resources, beside Japan has a strong sentiments against foreigners. China is everything opposite to Japan in those regards.

This is correct.

The 'labor' factor often cited by Indians proud of their explosive popualtion growth rate- is only an excuse(or delusion).

 

[seesonic]

even after applying 1 child policy in 1979 how Chinese population increased from 900 million to 1400 million?

Fake news.
Chinese kills baby girl.
Chinese statistics bureau publish incorrect figure.
Go on...

 

[unbiasedopinion]

China too was in the same position just ten years ago with an economy of size what is now India's. In fact China was poorer to India just 30 years back. Economic growth can do wonder to uplift poor and make the society well off.

Dude, till how long we keep comparing china with 10 years back. Your 10 back argument is long waded off. Accept the fault and work on it. There is no point in debating on the topic on which we know we are not good factually.

This is correct.

The 'labor' factor often cited by Indians proud of their explosive popualtion growth rate- is only an excuse(or delusion).

Agreed

 

[seesonic]

Automation and AI may wreck old economies, but any economy that take advantage of Automation and AI create more jobs, and in turn productivity.

How naive let me give you an example you can relate to.

McDonald is setting up self service checkout counter. Cashier eliminated.

McDonald sets up automated fryer. Staff eliminated.

McDonald sets up robotic floor cleaner like a roomba. Staff eliminated.

This is in retail/service where automation would hit them the most as with other labor intensive industry.

Tell me how would it create more jobs. It would only create limited jobs that requires competent workforce with the skills to work and not talk/brag all day. Something India seems to be lacking

I mean you cant just talk your way through a production line, or can you?

 

[phancong]

The reason India HDI ranked lowest in the word all due to population increase exponentially without the obtainable economy growth rate above 20 percent of India GDP that would ease the financial burden on India overpopulation.

 

[kris]

Foreign cheap labors are abundant in the regions around China. Larbor force is never a problem in this region. Even better is that you don't have to pay for their retirement and welfare since they are not your citizens.


The population base is too small and the country basically has no natural resources, beside Japan has a strong sentiments against foreigners. China is everything opposite to Japan in those regards.

Will Chinese citizens accept if labour is imported?

 

[beijingwalker]

Will Chinese citizens accept if labour is imported?

It's already happening

 

[tw00tw00]

It's already happening

Is China importing Indians? Please tell me they are not. We tried this in Singapore, and it failed spectacularly. Indians bring in all kinds of diseases that we have eradicated in the 1960s. Little India neighborhood in Singapore is disgusting and filthy. There was a riot by Indians a few years back which really made Singaporeans sit up and take notice, and I'm glad that the government has taken measures to severely curb immigration from India. Now I wish we could deport the ones who are already here.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Is China importing Indians? Please tell me they are not. We tried this in Singapore, and it failed spectacularly. Indians bring in all kinds of diseases that we have eradicated in the 1960s. Little India neighborhood in Singapore is disgusting and filthy. There was a riot by Indians a few years back which really made Singaporeans sit up and take notice, and I'm glad that the government has taken measures to severely curb immigration from India. Now I wish we could send the ones already back.

Our government is already restricting Indian national quota.

Read this. it's an article on Lee Kuan Yew's beliefs and Singapore(you have to remember that he is the person that transformed a tiny island with no natural resources- into an advanced, global economic and educational powerhouse), but convert it into a context of ANY developing country with a high population growth rate:




Eugenics and education in Singapore

Michelle, 31, a graduate with good genes and a job in the civil service, has the day off today (at the government’s expense) to begin her subsidised leisure cruise to the Maldives. Peter, 34, an engineer with a top degree from the National University of Singapore, is also about to leave for the boat, and is anxiously flattening his unruly hair in the mirror. Both hope that they might meet the partner of their dreams on this cruise, the one that will put light in their life and fire in their loins. The government hopes so too; this cruise was organised by the Social Development Unit (the SDU, sometimes jokingly referred to as ‘Single, Desperate and Ugly’) – an organisation established in 1984 with the purpose of matching up graduate singles in Singapore in the hope that they reproduce and have intelligent babies.

At the time this wasn’t in response to a decline in population, but rather, the wrong type of people having children. At the National Day Rally in 1983, Lee Kuan Yew – prime minister and founding father of modern Singapore – lamented publically that there were too many unmarried female graduates. Graduate men were choosing to marry less educated women, and this was a big concern;

“If you don’t include your women graduates in your breeding pool and leave them on the shelf, you would end up a more stupid society…So what happens? There will be less bright people to support dumb people in the next generation. That’s a problem.”

Lee Kuan Yew believed that intelligence was innate and inherited, and that eugenics programmes – such as incentives for the sterilisation of mothers without O-levels and tax rebates for graduate mothers – were therefore justified by the future economic success they were sure to bring to the country, by virtue of having a more intelligent workforce.

Having a talented workforce (whatever your beliefs on the origins of talent) was and is more important for Singapore than for most other countries. Singapore is a city state; an island of only 5.3 million people and no natural resources. When it got kicked out of the Malaysian federation in 1965 after a falling out between Lee Kuan Yew’s party (the People’s Action Party) and the central Malaysian government, Yew cried on national television. It did seem hopeless – Singapore relied on imports, and didn’t even have its own water supply.(in fact, we are constantly held hostage by Malaysia for our water supply) The only hope Singapore had of succeeding economically was to develop the country’s human resources through education, and produce a literate and technically skilled workforce that would allow Singapore to become a centre of industry, and later, business.

They did this remarkably successfully, as indicated by the fact that they now have the third highest GDP per capita in the world, and a top performing education system by many measures. Since Singapore’s independence, the education system has been carefully designed and adapted to meet the changing needs of the country’s economy. As in any economy, there are many different roles to fill, with different levels and types of education required for each role. Some people need to strategically design the ‘Mozzie wipeout’ campaign to prevent Dengue fever, others need to spray the bushes with a mosquito control spray (this I am told is what the men with gas masks and spray guns are doing at the side of the roads – they look like lost storm troopers).

Now imagine that you are PM Lee Kuan Yew. You need a system that educates citizens for different roles to support the economy, and you believe that talent is inherited and stable – in other words, you’re either born clever or you’re not; there’s nothing you can do to change it. What kind of education system would you design? I don’t know about you, but I would design a system which identified talent as early as possible, so I didn’t waste resources trying to educate the ungifted in topics they couldn’t handle. I would separate children of different abilities into different groups, and teach them different things, according to their abilities and the needs of the workforce, so that everyone had the skills to fulfil a useful role.



= If you are intellectually-incapable, please produce less babies

 

[tw00tw00]

Our government is already restricting Indian national quota.

Read this. it's an article on Lee Kuan Yew's beliefs and Singapore(you have to remember that he is the person that transformed a tiny island with no natural resources- into an advanced, global economic and educational powerhouse), but convert it into a context of ANY developing country with a high population growth rate:




Eugenics and education in Singapore

Michelle, 31, a graduate with good genes and a job in the civil service, has the day off today (at the government’s expense) to begin her subsidised leisure cruise to the Maldives. Peter, 34, an engineer with a top degree from the National University of Singapore, is also about to leave for the boat, and is anxiously flattening his unruly hair in the mirror. Both hope that they might meet the partner of their dreams on this cruise, the one that will put light in their life and fire in their loins. The government hopes so too; this cruise was organised by the Social Development Unit (the SDU, sometimes jokingly referred to as ‘Single, Desperate and Ugly’) – an organisation established in 1984 with the purpose of matching up graduate singles in Singapore in the hope that they reproduce and have intelligent babies.

At the time this wasn’t in response to a decline in population, but rather, the wrong type of people having children. At the National Day Rally in 1983, Lee Kuan Yew – prime minister and founding father of modern Singapore – lamented publically that there were too many unmarried female graduates. Graduate men were choosing to marry less educated women, and this was a big concern;

“If you don’t include your women graduates in your breeding pool and leave them on the shelf, you would end up a more stupid society…So what happens? There will be less bright people to support dumb people in the next generation. That’s a problem.”

Lee Kuan Yew believed that intelligence was innate and inherited, and that eugenics programmes – such as incentives for the sterilisation of mothers without O-levels and tax rebates for graduate mothers – were therefore justified by the future economic success they were sure to bring to the country, by virtue of having a more intelligent workforce.

Having a talented workforce (whatever your beliefs on the origins of talent) was and is more important for Singapore than for most other countries. Singapore is a city state; an island of only 5.3 million people and no natural resources. When it got kicked out of the Malaysian federation in 1965 after a falling out between Lee Kuan Yew’s party (the People’s Action Party) and the central Malaysian government, Yew cried on national television. It did seem hopeless – Singapore relied on imports, and didn’t even have its own water supply.(in fact, we are constantly held hostage by Malaysia for our water supply) The only hope Singapore had of succeeding economically was to develop the country’s human resources through education, and produce a literate and technically skilled workforce that would allow Singapore to become a centre of industry, and later, business.

They did this remarkably successfully, as indicated by the fact that they now have the third highest GDP per capita in the world, and a top performing education system by many measures. Since Singapore’s independence, the education system has been carefully designed and adapted to meet the changing needs of the country’s economy. As in any economy, there are many different roles to fill, with different levels and types of education required for each role. Some people need to strategically design the ‘Mozzie wipeout’ campaign to prevent Dengue fever, others need to spray the bushes with a mosquito control spray (this I am told is what the men with gas masks and spray guns are doing at the side of the roads – they look like lost storm troopers).

Now imagine that you are PM Lee Kuan Yew. You need a system that educates citizens for different roles to support the economy, and you believe that talent is inherited and stable – in other words, you’re either born clever or you’re not; there’s nothing you can do to change it. What kind of education system would you design? I don’t know about you, but I would design a system which identified talent as early as possible, so I didn’t waste resources trying to educate the ungifted in topics they couldn’t handle. I would separate children of different abilities into different groups, and teach them different things, according to their abilities and the needs of the workforce, so that everyone had the skills to fulfil a useful role.



= If you are intellectually-incapable, please produce less babies

But India has the caste system. Isn't that the same as eugenics?

 

[beijingwalker]

People who are culturally and ethnically similar to Chinese like North Koreans, Burmese and Vietnamese are able to be better adapted in China.

 

[Cat Shannon]

We need less population.

 

[mirage]

Cause China can't bear to have millions of children born into poverty who would be deprived of proper education, healthcare and work opportunities.

, indeed ! demography has got nothing to do with that !!!!!!!

 

[shadows888]

Automation and AI may wreck old economies, but any economy that take advantage of Automation and AI create more jobs, and in turn productivity.

More high paying jobs and less low paying ones, but less jobs overall on average. I suppose you will get a larger divide between rich and poor. But if you don't adapt automation and AI then you will get crushed by the ones that do, because that's the 4th industrial revolution. Who do you think have the better chance of getting this going? China or India?

 

[AndrewJin]

Awesome news!