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A comparative study on defence expenditure of ten top military nations -including US, UK, Russia, China, France and Germany besides India and Pakistan -has raised concern at India's growing expenditure on defence personnel which has adversely affected its operation and war preparedness.

The study was conducted by the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA) for the 7th Central Pay Commission (CPC) which has recently submitted its report to the government. The report has analysed strength of top militaries and their expenditure on personnel, operations and equipment procurement as proportion of total defence budget.

The reason, it says is because India is spending much more on personnel (salary and allowances) as a proportion of its total defence budget, directly affecting operation and maintenance expenditure. The expenditure on personnel (in India) has increased from 27% of the total defence bud get in 2007 to 41% in 2012 while that on operation and maintenance has decreased from 25% to 15% during the same period.

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In comparison, the US spends only 26% of its total defence expenditure on personnel while keeping aside 37% for operations and maintenance. Its share in equipment purchase remains highest between 35% and 41%. China has earmarked almost equal share of funds towards expenditure on personnel, operations and equipment purchases and infrastructure construction.

Even Pakistan which spends 42% of its total defence expenditure on personnel has been spending 26% on operations and maintenance, a higher proportion than India.

In its comments on the findings of the IDSA, the pay panel has observed that the pattern of the defence expenditure brings to fore the need to balance the requirements of the defence forces with the availability of resources.


One of the arguments for the larger expenditure on personnel in India is the relative mix of the strength of the services that constitute the armed forces. The IDSA has reported that the share of the Army in the total personnel strength of the Indian armed forces is over 85% while those in the US and UK are 39% and 59% respectively , the pay panel noted, short of suggesting that policy-makers may shift focus to modernising the armed forces and spending more on operational capabilities rather than building huge contingents of boots on the ground.

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India spends more on military officials than US, UK, says IDSA - The Economic Times
 
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@Echo_419 what have I been saying?

It is becoming more and more unfeasible to continue at current levels of manpower but it seems like the situation is only going to get worse as time goes by (now the IA is actively expanding).
 
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What I see from the table is that Pakistan spends even more on personnel. The 44% figure may have balloned to nearly 50% by now.
 
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This was BEFORE they implemented One Rank One Pension :lol:

Looking at our Maintenance budget, its no wonder our aircrafts keep falling from the sky and our tanks don't win competitions.
 
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Does this 7th CPC even know WTF it's talking about? They are comparing pay and allowances in percentages of the total defence expenditure! These idiots need to know that the pay scales and allowances of the armed forces personnel of the US, UK, France, Germany etc are 4 times that of Indian soldiers!
 
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Does this 7th CPC even know WTF it's talking about? They are comparing pay and allowances in percentages of the total defence expenditure! These idiots need to know that the pay scales and allowances of the armed forces personnel of the US, UK, France, Germany etc are 4 times that of Indian soldiers!
They are talking in percentage/relative terms. Ie the ratio of salaries/pensions (operational expenditure-OPEX) to procurement budgets (capital expenditure-CAPEX). In India, where the IA is concerend, the ratio is pathetic probably 90% of the IA's anual budget is OPEX simply because of how many personel it has.
 
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In India, where the IA is concerend, the ratio is pathetic probably 90% of the IA's anual budget is OPEX simply because of how many personel it has.
is there a solution without cutting down on soldier's payments??
 
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So what is the solution ???
MASSIVE cuts to manpower, I would propose at least 30%. This would not translate into 30% reduction of combat units but perhaps a few brigades that would then lead to the abilty to cut support staff such as cooks, drivers, medics, mechanics etc etc. Forces such as Mech infantry, airborne infantry, armour, artillery,AAC,AAD and SF would be immune from cuts.

A 30% cut in manpower would free up signifcant funds to spend on modernisation efforts for the IA that would mean that they could actually be 4-5 times more effective (thanks to force multipliers- a term the IN and IAF use frequently but I've never heard the IA utter).


The PLA has woken up to this reality and the scary part is their annual budget was already 5-6 times that of the IA's!
 
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@Echo_419 what have I been saying?

It is becoming more and more unfeasible to continue at current levels of manpower but it seems like the situation is only going to get worse as time goes by (now the IA is actively expanding).

I will say what I said last time.I agree,but looks like parikkar is already implementing some reforms
Army’s non-operational flab will be cut: Parrikar - The Times of India

MASSIVE cuts to manpower, I would propose at least 30%. This would not translate into 30% reduction of combat units but perhaps a few brigades that would then lead to the abilty to cut support staff such as cooks, drivers, medics, mechanics etc etc. Forces such as Mech infantry, airborne infantry, armour, artillery,AAC,AAD and SF would be immune from cuts.

A 30% cut in manpower would free up signifcant funds to spend on modernisation efforts for the IA that would mean that they could actually be 4-5 times more effective (thanks to force multipliers- a term the IN and IAF use frequently but I've never heard the IA utter).


The PLA has woken up to this reality and the scary part is their annual budget was already 5-6 times that of the IA's!

& some people ask why I insist on better relations with Chinese
 
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MASSIVE cuts to manpower, I would propose at least 30%. This would not translate into 30% reduction of combat units but perhaps a few brigades that would then lead to the abilty to cut support staff such as cooks, drivers, medics, mechanics etc etc. Forces such as Mech infantry, airborne infantry, armour, artillery,AAC,AAD and SF would be immune from cuts.

A 30% cut in manpower would free up signifcant funds to spend on modernisation efforts for the IA that would mean that they could actually be 4-5 times more effective (thanks to force multipliers- a term the IN and IAF use frequently but I've never heard the IA utter).


The PLA has woken up to this reality and the scary part is their annual budget was already 5-6 times that of the IA's!
There's already simmering discontent over the number of artillery and infantry officers who get promoted to senior posts. Cutting down soldiers from AMC, Signals and other such units will have its repurcussions.
 
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There's already simmering discontent over the number of artillery and infantry officers who get promoted to senior posts. Cutting down soldiers from AMC, Signals and other such units will have its repurcussions.
The cut I am proposing would be across the board (aside from the areas I have ring-fenced).
 
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Which part of the army do you think needs trimming or as you would put it 'slashing'?
As I have said there can be a broad reduction in numbers- it doesn't, and shouldn't be, focused on one area alone. There are probably an excess of infantry batalions that can be cut and this will mean that many times more support personell can be cut as a result. On average it will take 8-10 support staff (during combat- perhaps 5-6 during peace) to support a single combat soldier. Phasing out a few battalions/brigades will see a healthy reduction in manpower across the board including at the very top- you will require fewer brigade/divsion commanders and all the frills attatched to command (many support staff, HQs and such).

However, the IA should not be reducing weaponary/machines so the AAC, artillery, AAD, armoured corps etc all remain untouched including the SF and airborne infantry units. This will make for a far more lean, lethal and effective Army.
 
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As I have said there can be a broad reduction in numbers- it doesn't, and shouldn't be, focused on one area alone. There are probably an excess of infantry batalions that can be cut and this will mean that many times more support personell can be cut as a result. On average it will take 8-10 support staff (during combat- perhaps 5-6 during peace) to support a single combat soldier. Phasing out a few battalions/brigades will see a healthy reduction in manpower across the board including at the very top- you will require fewer brigade/divsion commanders and all the frills attatched to command (many support staff, HQs and such).

However, the IA should not be reducing weaponary/machines so the AAC, artillery, AAD, armoured corps etc all remain untouched including the SF and airborne infantry units. This will make for a far more lean, lethal and effective Army.

You have a source for the support staff thing ?
 
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