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India should avoid bigger US strategic game: Karzai

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India should not be pulled into the US’s approach to Afghanistan — which he warned was part of a "bigger strategic game" that would not bring peace to the region — but should maintain an independent approach based on the shared interests of India and Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, the former President said. Mr. Karzai, who spent nearly 10 years as president up till 2014, said he had expressed his own reservations to India about the new alliance between India and the US in the region. "India is a friend and an ally and a traditional civilizational friend of our country but I want India to continue its traditional wise man approach to the region. It’s too deep a civilization to be taken away by an American design…too big a nation to be in any temporary arrangement with this or that country," he said during a meeting with a small group of journalists in London on Wednesday. US President Donald Trump outlined the U.S. new approach to Afghanistan in August with a call for further involvement of India and sharp criticism of Pakistan. India has ruled out deploying troops but has said it will expand development and medical assistance in the country to which it has extended around $3 billion in aid to date.  
"India has an extremely high stake in the region and in Afghanistan and should therefore have its own approach to Afghanistan in the region in which peace in Afghanistan should be the overall objective, in which peace in the region is the objective…and in which coordinated action between India and Afghanistan against extremism is the objective," he said, adding that if the US were genuine in this joint mission, they were welcome to join the two nations. "I suspect this is not the case," he said.  
Mr. Karzai reiterated his concerns about the new US policy towards Afghanistan outlined under the Trump administration, warning that it would not bring peace but just further suffering to the Afghan people. "Is this policy a continuation of the forever war in which Afghans are the main sufferers — its land, its soil its people, its environment…and do we want a forever war? And how come it took the US 16 years to recognize what was going on in Pakistan?" he said. "Every day Afghans told the US of the sanctuaries outside our borders. The United States knew they were there but couldn’t do much because Pakistan was an ally." 
It was for this reason he remained skeptical, he said of the new US approach which he said was not "aimed at ending extremism" but because of a "bigger strategic game in the region in which Pakistan does not seem to fit in US designs or Pakistan has taken a different path to what they were doing in the past: they were an ally of the U.S. all along especially the two of them in promoting religious extremism. Now Pakistan has an economic integration plan, more closely aligned with China. Its more a power game than a fight against extremism that has re-aligned US politics in the region."  
"The shift in the US policy is not to fight extremism but to bring pressure on Pakistan for other reasons. We don’t join that. We have no ill will to Pakistan - we want Pakistan to do well, we consider Pakistan a neighbour…for all the difficulties we have with it."  
While praising the "tremendous friend" of Afghanistan India had been — including through the way it had gone more "out of the way to do more for Afghanistan" than it had anywhere else, he was critical of the influential role that the US approach had had on its approach, citing efforts by Afghanistan towards the Manmohan Singh administration for help in its own military build up. India’s decision not to at that stage, he believes, was influenced by the US being against it. "It is this matter that makes us sensitive to the new alliance. If the U.S. changes course will India then follow again? India should not be moving from one pole to another. India should have a steady policy of a constant alliance with Afghanistan based on the fundamental interests of the two countries. I want an independent Indian-Afghan relationship…from our perspective when the US did not want us to have relations with India we did not conduct our policy towards India based on the wishes of the US …we conducted our own and that is what we expect of India towards us."  
He also called for greater cooperation between India and China in their approach to the region, warning that the US policy on Afghanistan had direct implications for this. "These two vast massive civilization and entities worldwide…their friendship and their cooperation will benefit us immensely and the region…and they should both avoid falling into a trap set by others in the competition that is created…it is in this view that I am not happy with the new US strategy because that strategy lessons the possibility of a broader India-Chinese cooperation."  
"We want to be friends with the US we want to be allies for the US…but I have as an Afghan citizen I have immense opposition against the way they fight extremism, which is adding to the fires of extremism."  
He said the best strategy towards the Taliban was to reach peace with them. "It is too late to talk of defeat…defeat means causing war in Afghanistan on a higher larger scale... military solutions are no more an option for us. The Taliban are Afghans and we must sit down with them and have peace with them."

source : http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...?homepage=true
 
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I agree with Karzai. India should concentrate on making friends with common Afghani...investing in Afghanistan's future, and not send forces on ground that could backfire.
 
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I agree with Karzai. India should concentrate on making friends with common Afghani...investing in Afghanistan's future, and not send forces on ground that could backfire.
Trump wants more than that .Americans r not fool hardy .India will suck Inn eventually or risk to loose Astan to China and Pakistan .Astan wants Indian blood Now .
 
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Trump wants more than that .Americans r not fool hardy .India will suck Inn eventually or risk to loose Astan to China and Pakistan .Astan wants Indian blood Now .

India is not in the business of satisfying Trump. India will never put its boots on the ground in Afghanistan, because Afghanistan does n't like foreign boots in its land. And India putting boots on the ground will alliterate Afghans, and India will loose all the goodwill that it gained in last 15 years in the hearts of common Afghani.
 
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India is not in the business of satisfying Trump. India will never put its boots on the ground in Afghanistan, because Afghanistan does n't like foreign boots in its land. And India putting boots on the ground will alliterate Afghans, and India will loose all the goodwill that it gained in last 15 years in the hearts of common Afghani.
He asked for it from India both money and troops .if India won't then why America should listen India ?.just economic ties that's why ?I don't think so .
 
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Modi chose to be a US proxy with wide opened arms by ditching some of its traditional allies.

Not sure if he is short sighted or just plain egoistic, but im thinking it is both.
 
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He asked for it from India both money and troops .if India won't then why America should listen India ?.just economic ties that's why ?I don't think so .
time has proven that india is good at one thing diplomacy, it had sincere leaders who planned everything meticulously against Pakistan, what we got? fools.... chosen by "educated" fools
 
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Trump wants more than that .Americans r not fool hardy .India will suck Inn eventually or risk to loose Astan to China and Pakistan .Astan wants Indian blood Now .

You should better ask to your American friends...India will never every send any soldiers away from our country....Our interest and statergy is to engage with Afganistan to create positive impact in the mind of the people of Afganistan rather than serving interest of any country..US is trying hard since last 15 year, why do you think India will listen to US???

time has proven that india is good at one thing diplomacy, it had sincere leaders who planned everything meticulously against Pakistan, what we got? fools.... chosen by "educated" fools

i do not blame your politicians...Rather it is your Army who is always close to US rather than the politician...Anyway, i strongly beleive, even Pakistan would like to have an independent foreign policy..but due to your dependency of US, they exploited you...So it is good to see that Pakistan understand the importance of building the economy rather than depending on US for all the aid and in return exploit all the developing countries...
 
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Stable Afghanistan means stable Pakistan. Why would India be interested in the notion of stable Afghanistan?

Unstable Afghanistan has been bleeding Pakistan economy to the dry. Despite India intelligent efforts through Ajit Doval, in-charge of Indian NSA, personally handpicked by Modi, confessed sponsoring Afghan-based terrorism which has claimed the lives of more than 100,000 Pakistanis including children and women hasn't disheartened Pakistan.

So, Pakistan took diplomatic approach involving Russia and China to counteract USA and India influences in Afghanistan considering USA is using Pakistan as exit-strategy while looking to scapegoat Pakistan and India to further its terrorism through Afghan-based manpower to undermine the stability of Pakistan for years.

I guess former PM Karzai is looking to remain relevant in the picture again.
 
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time has proven that india is good at one thing diplomacy, it had sincere leaders who planned everything meticulously against Pakistan, what we got? fools.... chosen by "educated" fools
Agree with u Zia but here American wants more than diplomacy .there is no free lunch .India wants everything with no cost not gonna happen .You can't fish in pee that what India want not gonna work.
 
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India earned billions of dollar from US IT industry , but what US getting in return... ?????

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Billions of dollars of Military Cargo planes and Commercial Planes being bought from US companies... supporting thousands of jobs... Nuclear power plants... supporting thousands of jobs again.. recently India started Importing Shale gas form US..... Now go back into your hole...
 
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Billions of dollars of Military Cargo planes and Commercial Planes being bought from US companies... supporting thousands of jobs... Nuclear power plants... supporting thousands of jobs again.. recently India started Importing Shale gas form US..... Now go back into your hole...
... stop your cock and bull story.... supporting jobs ...shale gas... read you statement again..

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ohh man everybody want india to spend money while others should enjoy the fruits
 
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