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by James Dunnigan
May 18, 2011
India is seeking new sources of spare parts for its vast array of Russian military equipment. Any reputable supplier can bid, as long as they aren't Russian. This new policy is the latest example of the growing rift between the Indian military and their chief supplier of military gear for over half a century. While India has been generally satisfied with the cheap, but rugged and effective Russian weapons, there has been less satisfaction with the quality and timely delivery of spare parts. India also accuses Russia of jacking up prices after deals had been made. Decades of complaints from India have not changed the situation much.

India has tried manufacturing its own spare parts, but that has not worked out well, despite the fact that India manufactures many Russian systems under license. But some types of parts require manufacturing skills that India has not achieved yet. This became public eight years ago when India sought reasons why so many of their Russian warplanes were crashing. India lost 250 MiG-21s to accidents between 1991 and 2003. When consulted, Russia pointed out that India had insisted on manufacturing many of the spare parts needed to keep MiG-21s operational, and many of these parts were not manufactured to Russian specifications. While Russia does not have a reputation for making the highest quality equipment, their standards are often higher than India's. It's no secret that much of the military equipment made in India is pretty shabby by world standards.

But India has cash, and has no qualms about getting quality spares from any source that can deliver them. There are, in fact, firms in many nations (Israel, China, several in Eastern Europe) that produce, or can produce, these spare parts. India is seeking such suppliers, and will probably get all the quality, affordable, spares it needs. As a bonus, the Russians will be highly pissed off.
This Is Going To Piss Off The Russians
 
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India lost 250 MiG-21s to accidents between 1991 and 2003. When consulted, Russia pointed out that India had insisted on manufacturing many of the spare parts needed to keep MiG-21s operational, and many of these parts were not manufactured to Russian specifications.
What Specifications?
India is seeking new sources of spare parts for its vast array of Russian military equipment. Any reputable supplier can bid, as long as they aren't Russian. This new policy is the latest example of the growing rift between the Indian military and their chief supplier of military gear for over half a century. While India has been generally satisfied with the cheap, but rugged and effective Russian weapons, there has been less satisfaction with the quality and timely delivery of spare parts.
Growing Rift? What rift?
U mean like Pakistan and USA?
India has tried manufacturing its own spare parts, but that has not worked out well, despite the fact that India manufactures many Russian systems under license. But some types of parts require manufacturing skills that India has not achieved yet.
While Russia does not have a reputation for making the highest quality equipment, their standards are often higher than India's. It's no secret that much of the military equipment made in India is pretty shabby by world standards.
What standard of reputation U are taking about?


Such a low quality post and even worse title.....
 
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the thread starter is grasping at straws trying to show that Russian and India are growing apart . please try to understand we are not you guys who have alliances out of compulsions. IE the US and Pakistan . we share a deeper relation with them .
 
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competition must be there to ensure proper quality and performance.India had been under blanket ban for a very long period of time.At that time,there was no other credible suppliers other than the Soviets..It was a sweet and sour relationship.But now the ban regime is gone.we have the money now,as well as suppliers lining up to take a piece of the cake.This competition will ensure timely delivery of good and quality products.The Russians should not have any objection to this competition.Time changes ,so does the rules.
 
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Best of friends we speak. Down play of rifts they must.
 
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by James Dunnigan
May 18, 2011
India is seeking new sources of spare parts for its vast array of Russian military equipment. Any reputable supplier can bid, as long as they aren't Russian. This new policy is the latest example of the growing rift between the Indian military and their chief supplier of military gear for over half a century. While India has been generally satisfied with the cheap, but rugged and effective Russian weapons, there has been less satisfaction with the quality and timely delivery of spare parts. India also accuses Russia of jacking up prices after deals had been made. Decades of complaints from India have not changed the situation much.

India has tried manufacturing its own spare parts, but that has not worked out well, despite the fact that India manufactures many Russian systems under license. But some types of parts require manufacturing skills that India has not achieved yet. This became public eight years ago when India sought reasons why so many of their Russian warplanes were crashing. India lost 250 MiG-21s to accidents between 1991 and 2003. When consulted, Russia pointed out that India had insisted on manufacturing many of the spare parts needed to keep MiG-21s operational, and many of these parts were not manufactured to Russian specifications. While Russia does not have a reputation for making the highest quality equipment, their standards are often higher than India's. It's no secret that much of the military equipment made in India is pretty shabby by world standards.

But India has cash, and has no qualms about getting quality spares from any source that can deliver them. There are, in fact, firms in many nations (Israel, China, several in Eastern Europe) that produce, or can produce, these spare parts. India is seeking such suppliers, and will probably get all the quality, affordable, spares it needs. As a bonus, the Russians will be highly pissed off.
This Is Going To Piss Off The Russians

This is business more than any relation, Russia know how to make fool a country which is getting crazy & blind for military technology. Just look at INS Vikramaditya deal, 974 million $ to 2.35 billion $. What i can say next!
 
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This is business more than any relation, Russia know how to make fool a country which is getting crazy & blind for military technology. Just look at INS Vikramaditya deal, 974 million $ to 2.35 billion $. What i can say next!

You don't have the right to say anything. Cause it ain't your money, go worry about your own bankrupt country.:azn:
 
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Nothing unusual , quite a standard business practice -- Russian 's did the same with Admiral Gorshkov ...rung us dry for the cash.

But considering the number of Indo-Russian joint projects we have -- one or two such deals seems just irrelevant .
 
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This is business more than any relation, Russia know how to make fool a country which is getting crazy & blind for military technology. Just look at INS Vikramaditya deal, 974 million $ to 2.35 billion $. What i can say next!

Please say something sensible. Have you heard about cost escalation due to enhanced requirements ?

BTW, Recent reports have also suggested that the IAF has shown interest in procuring the Novator K-100 missile from Russia with a range of 300-400 km. Time to move on ...
 
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This will not Piss Off The Russians i hope as its they who decided to let it go our of their hand by not providing quality spares as required by India, So they would know its the logical conclusion India would take. What if an Russian firm offers to manufacture these required spares ? I think India wont oppose if they have the capability to do. so it's still in hands of Russia and they can take it back if they need.
 
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India Russian collabration had already pissed of many.
 
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