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What about China,isn't your rich and poor people gap widening?
China's rich-poor gap is approaching alarming line - Focus discussion - People Forum

BBC News - China 'must reduce rich-poor gap' - Premier Wen

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First check out your own nation,you are still a developing nation,having 2 or 3 cities like Beijing and Shanghai doesn't hide your reality,your per capita income is still one of the lowest,i accept its better than ours,but the reality is that China itself has a number of problems,
We ll take care of our matters.

?India has more rich people than poor now? - India - The Times of India

Ai ya yay! You are so ultra sensitive. Did I bad mouth on India's poor?

China never like others to call her developed advance nation, all top leaders of China persisted China is still a developing nation, all Chineses agreed, there is no problem at all.

Interior of China is still poor compare with the big cities, Chinese government and all its people also agreed. so what is the problem?
 
A country of 1/4 GDP engaged in an arms race with much bigger rival. China seems to be playing the cold war trick. The poverty in India is actually on the rise with recent inflation as the government pumping billions in defense while cutting down subsidies rapidly. Where will this madness end??
 
A country of 1/4 GDP engaged in an arms race with much bigger rival. China seems to be playing the cold war trick. The poverty in India is actually on the rise with recent inflation as the government pumping billions in defense while cutting down subsidies rapidly. Where will this madness end??

Replace China with India and India with Pakistan and 1/4 with 1/8 in your post and read it again
 
A country of 1/4 GDP engaged in an arms race with much bigger rival. China seems to be playing the cold war trick. The poverty in India is actually on the rise with recent inflation as the government pumping billions in defense while cutting down subsidies rapidly. Where will this madness end??

If a chinese member said this..it would be still comprehendable ...but a Pakistani :no:

You do realize your economy is 1/7th of India's...yet you are also engaged in arms race with us!!
 
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A country of 1/4 GDP engaged in an arms race with much bigger rival. China seems to be playing the cold war trick. The poverty in India is actually on the rise with recent inflation as the government pumping billions in defense while cutting down subsidies rapidly. Where will this madness end??

Buddy, This is no place to prove your stupidity, India is not in an arms race, we are just Modernizing Our Armed forces like any other country in the world, We are and have been spending just 2-3% of Our GDP for Defense, and This Cannot Lead us to a Cold war Like situation as India has a Strong and Budding Industrial Base....

Our Economy is Growing at a faster rate that we would Reach 2 trillion mark in another 3 Years and Spending a few 40-45 Billion $ on defense is not gonna harm our Economy....

And Your Economy is 1/6th of Ours Yet You Indulge in a race... Isnt that funny??? And that too, no Industrial base at all
 
There is no arms race. India is spending only as much as it can easily afford. As the economy is so large so few billion dollars doesnt matter.
 
Tibet and Askai Chin will be flash points in future.
And other than fairy tales of Indian media, there is a long way to go to even match china capability let alone beat it. Trillions of dollars n GDP cannot be added over a matter of decade or two. Even the Indian aircraft carrier is a dwarf compared to what China is building. Is anyone thinking about the post growth period?? After the WW2 soviet union was blessed with rapid growth while most of the world had a stagnated start. However they couldn't contain this grown forever?? Even the industrial kingpin USA is not immune to growth stagnation. The Chinese so far are building influence much more rapidly from railway contract to natural resources whole Indian talk about their bollywood as softpower??
 
Tibet and Askai Chin will be flash points in future.
And other than fairy tales of Indian media, there is a long way to go to even match china capability let alone beat it. Trillions of dollars n GDP cannot be added over a matter of decade or two. Even the Indian aircraft carrier is a dwarf compared to what China is building.

Its Ok, we are hapy with our , IAC I or INS Vikrant which is 40,000 + tonnes, And IAC II or INS Vishal will be 65000 tonnes.....INS Vikramaditya 44000+ Tonnes

And Our Aircraft carriers would be no Dwarf, anyways These Aircraft carriers which You Praise will never Be Bigger than INS Vikramaditya...

Man You are soo Jealous , I like it... Be more untill u succumb to Frustration...hahahah
 
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Is anyone thinking about the post growth period?? After the WW2 soviet union was blessed with rapid growth while most of the world had a stagnated start. However they couldn't contain this grown forever?? Even the industrial kingpin USA is not immune to growth stagnation. The Chinese so far are building influence much more rapidly from railway contract to natural resources whole Indian talk about their bollywood as softpower??

I like It, Now You are putting India and China in a Cold war situation...lol... Pathetic Pakistani Mentality :lol: , Guess What?? We are Getting Our Relations Friendly, Not the way Soviet and USA went, We both are well within Our Limits....
 
Tibet and Askai Chin will be flash points in future.
And other than fairy tales of Indian media, there is a long way to go to even match china capability let alone beat it. Trillions of dollars n GDP cannot be added over a matter of decade or two. Even the Indian aircraft carrier is a dwarf compared to what China is building. Is anyone thinking about the post growth period?? After the WW2 soviet union was blessed with rapid growth while most of the world had a stagnated start. However they couldn't contain this grown forever?? Even the industrial kingpin USA is not immune to growth stagnation. The Chinese so far are building influence much more rapidly from railway contract to natural resources whole Indian talk about their bollywood as softpower??

Tibet and Askai Chin will be flash points in future.

Certainly, Both India and China will keep two flash bulbs and greet each other in the evening like we do in wagah with you.

And other than fairy tales of Indian media, there is a long way to go to even match china capability let alone beat it. Trillions of dollars n GDP cannot be added over a matter of decade or two.

You just echoed our words, but unlike you, we are working on it

Even the Indian aircraft carrier is a dwarf compared to what China is building.

Get your history right, China never built an aircraft carrier, and even they build one we have been operating 2 from last 3 dacades.

After the WW2 soviet union was blessed with rapid growth while most of the world had a stagnated start. However they couldn't contain this grown forever??

The same case is more appropriate with China but not with India. We have been immune to most down falls in history and more of a self growth driven country, unlike export based economy.

The Chinese so far are building influence much more rapidly from railway contract to natural resources whole Indian talk about their bollywood as softpower??[/

Yes, very true, watch You think you can dance in AXN, they have added a bollywood theme this time:)...

When you talk in forums like this, its advisable to keep some knowledge base, else you know what will happen.
 
Tibet and Askai Chin will be flash points in future.
And other than fairy tales of Indian media, there is a long way to go to even match china capability let alone beat it. Trillions of dollars n GDP cannot be added over a matter of decade or two. Even the Indian aircraft carrier is a dwarf compared to what China is building. Is anyone thinking about the post growth period?? After the WW2 soviet union was blessed with rapid growth while most of the world had a stagnated start. However they couldn't contain this grown forever?? Even the industrial kingpin USA is not immune to growth stagnation. The Chinese so far are building influence much more rapidly from railway contract to natural resources whole Indian talk about their bollywood as softpower??

yes it can be added if you are growing like India is, Indian economy will be 4 trillion by 2020.

so what does above tell you. Anyone can have rough patch anytime.. that includes China also.
Beat whom.?? We are not in arms race... We are building our Navy as per our needs.
 
how effective did india use it? PLAAF fought the first jet to jet combat in the world and held its own against the USAF, i think that's pretty effective.

People's Liberation Army Air Force

The primary mission of the PLA Air Force is the defense of the mainland, and most aircraft are assigned to this role. A smaller number of ground attack and bomber units are assigned to interdiction and possibly close air support, and some bomber units could be used for nuclear delivery. The force has only limited military airlift and reconnaissance capabilities.

The PLA’s overall concept of operations is "Peoples War under Modern Conditions," which consists of tactical offensive actions in support of a basically defensive strategy. The primary land component strategy is forward presence and perimeter defense, with offensive operations intended to wear down an enemy which is on the offensive and attacking.

In this context, the role of the PLAAF is to provide homeland air defense, to direct support to the PLA ground forces. Air defense operations are primarily focused on surface to air missiles, with additional emphasis on counterattacks against enemy bases. The PLAAF’s primary objectives would be to prevent the enemy from interfering in the PLA ground forces, with second objectives to conduct Close Air Support (CAS) and Interdiction operations.

The Soviet Union helped to establish the Air Force in 1949 and began to provide aircraft in late 1951. Production technology came two years later. By 1956 China was assembling F-4s (copies of MiG-15s) and eight years later was producing both the F-5 (MiG-17) and the F-6 (MiG-19) under license. Meanwhile, Soviet instructors were training the new pilots in Soviet tactics. The withdrawal of Soviet aid in 1960 crippled China's aircraft industry. The industry declined markedly through 1963, further hindered by the high priority accorded to the competing missile and nuclear weapons program. The aircraft industry began to recover in about 1965, however, when China began providing F-4s and F-5s to North Vietnam.

Chinese pilots saw considerable action in the Korean War and, to a lesser extent, during the Taiwan Strait crisis of 1958. During the China-Vietnam border conflict of 1979, the Chinese avoided air battles, probably at least partly because they lacked the confidence to challenge Vietnam's air force, which though far smaller was better armed and trained. Chinese sources claim that the PLAAF achieved a 97.5 percent readiness rate and a 99.7 percent takeoff rate for its aircraft during the Sino-Vietnamese conflict in 1979. However, this was not a difficult feat, given low sortie rate. Overall, the PLAAF launched some 8,500 sorties [including area familiarization, flights during the 30-day conflict, and postconflict sorties] over a period of two to three months. With some 700 aircraft deployed to the Vietnamese border, that suggests only a dozen sorties per aircraft over sixty-plus days. PLAAF fighter engines require a major overhaul after 300 to 350 hours of flying time, while the F100 engines on the F-16 require a substantial overhaul every 1300 hours. The PLAAF's "light front, heavy rear" strategy denies frontline air bases extensive maintenance and repair facilities. [Felix K. Chang "Beijing's reach in the South China Sea"]

In the 1980s the Air Force made serious efforts to raise the education level and improve the training of its pilots. Superannuated pilots were retired or assigned to other duties. All new pilots were at least middle-school graduates. The time it took to train a qualified pilot capable of performing combat missions reportedly was reduced from four or five years to two years. Training emphasized raising technical and tactical skills in individual pilots and participation in combined-arms operations. Flight safety also increased.

In no way, I am taking the credit from PLAAF for its achievements.......but just saying that compared to the size of PLAAF, it was never involved by China in any war with its full potential, or with what such a big force should be involved. With 2,500+ aircraft of which 1,617 are combat aircraft (1200+ fighters and of those, ~400 are 4th generation or newer) it can win any war on its own. But till now, never used to its full abilities.:smokin:
 
A country of 1/4 GDP engaged in an arms race with much bigger rival. China seems to be playing the cold war trick. The poverty in India is actually on the rise with recent inflation as the government pumping billions in defense while cutting down subsidies rapidly. Where will this madness end??

what a poor mentality,actually when did the cold war started,about the poverty of India for the first time in Indian history high income households r greater in number than low income households(there is an another thread on that)

so by ur logic,how come Pakistan think it can fare against India,when ur nation is in ruins,running od aid's ,by forcing u to spend more on defense,we r making sure u achieve soon the status of failed nation
 
Chinese insularity v Indian insecurity: a recipe for trouble

There is a very thorough overview of the fractious China-India relationship in this week’s Economist which describes the face off between the two Asian giants as the “Contest of the Century”.

This might sound a rather hyperbolic title, but when you consider the fact these nations account for roughly a third of the world’s population and an ever-growing portion of global economic heft, the relationship between these two nations is at least as crucial as the US-China relationship that currently fills the spotlight.

As the Economist contends – and correctly, I think – “How China and India manage their own relationship will determine whether similar mistakes to those that scarred the 20th century [will] disfigure this one.”

And yet, viewed from this side of Himalaya, it is extraordinary (to a former India correspondent, at least,) how little importance China attaches to India – in terms of column inches, in academic forums in the basic headspace set aside to consider the relationship. India is the Elephant in the Chinese room, except that you often wonder if China even knows it.

In India, by contrast, China features heavily in the media, looming massively over the endless conferences and academic talking shops set up to discuss, in rather navel-gazing fashion, who’s going to win the race to the top of the Asian superpower stakes.

India, with its favourable demographic and rising household savings rate, likes to fancy itself as the tortoise in a race that at present is being lead by the Chinese hare. Perhaps it is unfair to say so, but India is so far behind it doesn’t have much option but to hope that China’s rise will sink under the weight of its own internal contradictions.

The contrasting attitudes of each to the other reflect on the one hand Indian insecurity and on the other, Chinese insularity. This is a dangerous mix.

Indo-Chinese trade is growing, but as the Economist points out, it is a lop-sided, subservient relationship (Indian iron ore for Chinese finished goods) that deepens Indian fears of Chinese encirclement, as they are outflanked again and again in their own neigbourhood by China – in Burma, in Sri Lanka, In Pakistan.

At the same time, like an irritating little brother, China basically ignores India or treats it with ill-concealed contempt, both at a diplomatic level, but also on the street where attitudes to India are openly dismissive – a dirty, smelly, chaotic Third World kind of place in the view of many Chinese.

(As an aside, it will be interesting to see if the Chinese media and blogosphere can even be bothered to scorn India’s feeble efforts at organizing the Commonwealth Games, a badly handled second-tier event that – when compared to China’s stunningly accomplished Olympics of 2008 – tells you all you need to know about the gap between the two nations.)

In any event, the current state, or rather non-state of the relationship must be a source of serious concern.

If the US-China relationship is often described like a bad marriage, then the China-India relationship is like that of two very different brothers, who need to get on but at deep, deep level (far deeper than the territorial disputes that the Economists dwells upon far too heavily) are perhaps just incompatible.

The negative personal chemistry – Chinese insularity and Indian insecurity – is no platform for resolve the crunches that surely lie ahead – over water (Chinese dams on the Brahmaputra), over oil and natural resources (both nations have limited supplies and compete the world over to secure others) and in the Asian arms race that is now firmly underway.
 
Chinese insularity v Indian insecurity: a recipe for trouble

There is a very thorough overview of the fractious China-India relationship in this week’s Economist which describes the face off between the two Asian giants as the “Contest of the Century”.

This might sound a rather hyperbolic title, but when you consider the fact these nations account for roughly a third of the world’s population and an ever-growing portion of global economic heft, the relationship between these two nations is at least as crucial as the US-China relationship that currently fills the spotlight.

As the Economist contends – and correctly, I think – “How China and India manage their own relationship will determine whether similar mistakes to those that scarred the 20th century [will] disfigure this one.”

And yet, viewed from this side of Himalaya, it is extraordinary (to a former India correspondent, at least,) how little importance China attaches to India – in terms of column inches, in academic forums in the basic headspace set aside to consider the relationship. India is the Elephant in the Chinese room, except that you often wonder if China even knows it.

In India, by contrast, China features heavily in the media, looming massively over the endless conferences and academic talking shops set up to discuss, in rather navel-gazing fashion, who’s going to win the race to the top of the Asian superpower stakes.

India, with its favourable demographic and rising household savings rate, likes to fancy itself as the tortoise in a race that at present is being lead by the Chinese hare. Perhaps it is unfair to say so, but India is so far behind it doesn’t have much option but to hope that China’s rise will sink under the weight of its own internal contradictions.

The contrasting attitudes of each to the other reflect on the one hand Indian insecurity and on the other, Chinese insularity. This is a dangerous mix.

Indo-Chinese trade is growing, but as the Economist points out, it is a lop-sided, subservient relationship (Indian iron ore for Chinese finished goods) that deepens Indian fears of Chinese encirclement, as they are outflanked again and again in their own neigbourhood by China – in Burma, in Sri Lanka, In Pakistan.

At the same time, like an irritating little brother, China basically ignores India or treats it with ill-concealed contempt, both at a diplomatic level, but also on the street where attitudes to India are openly dismissive – a dirty, smelly, chaotic Third World kind of place in the view of many Chinese.

(As an aside, it will be interesting to see if the Chinese media and blogosphere can even be bothered to scorn India’s feeble efforts at organizing the Commonwealth Games, a badly handled second-tier event that – when compared to China’s stunningly accomplished Olympics of 2008 – tells you all you need to know about the gap between the two nations.)

In any event, the current state, or rather non-state of the relationship must be a source of serious concern.

If the US-China relationship is often described like a bad marriage, then the China-India relationship is like that of two very different brothers, who need to get on but at deep, deep level (far deeper than the territorial disputes that the Economists dwells upon far too heavily) are perhaps just incompatible.

The negative personal chemistry – Chinese insularity and Indian insecurity – is no platform for resolve the crunches that surely lie ahead – over water (Chinese dams on the Brahmaputra), over oil and natural resources (both nations have limited supplies and compete the world over to secure others) and in the Asian arms race that is now firmly underway.

I do not think so India is preoccupied with China. In my friends circle i hardly find even less then 1% people interested in China or its activities. ...no one care much about China or is interested in it. Most of the people are just interested in their work.

The only difference is in Media reporting. India media is not controlled and is free so obviously more reporting and knowledge sharing here and more opinions being freely expressed.

In strategic circles the relevent concerns are there in both the countries.
 
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