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India responded in six hours flat - The Hindu

Officials here are satisfied by the speed with which the Indian security forces reacted to tents put up by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers in Debsang Valley on April 15. But they are still mystified by the purpose behind such an exercise that heightened passions in India.

India had put up tents opposite the Chinese ones in six hours, a speed which was unimaginable a decade back. “Rather than guess their intentions, we have to have in place a response and make it clear that if they do anything silly, they would be embarrassed. We showed it this time. In six hours Indian troops were there,” they pointed out

Several theories abound about possible Chinese intentions in camping for three weeks on a featureless ground disputed by both sides, but sources said India’s current level of preparedness helped ensure the diplomats did not have sleepless nights.

India has reactivated over a dozen airfields next to the Chinese border. It has built almost 70 roads leading to forward positions and logistics depots, positioned high-performance fighter jets in the North-East and equipped its soldiers with advanced fighting ability in the mountains. “No government in the past has done so much as this one has done in the past six years to strengthen the border,” they claimed.

India could have exercised the options of cutting the supply lines or doing away with the Chinese soldiers, as suggested by several strategic experts. “What would have been the outcome? Where would have all that headed to?” they asked and explained the difference between the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China and the Line of Control (LOC) with Pakistan.

The LOC is a live line, demarcated by the militaries, across which a lot of activity takes place — firing, movements and face to face confrontation, especially static in the form of posts bang opposite each other. None of this is true in the case of the LAC. It is not demarcated and has vast empty spaces — 50 to 100 kms separate the two armies — with patrols from both sides walking in and out of these empty spaces. “Problems arise when we carry the habits of India-Pak LOC to the India-China LAC,” said the sources.

The sources did not see the three-week encampment by Chinese troops as a one-off pattern. They pointed to recurring problems because of the disputed border — stapled visas, denial of visit to an Indian Army commander posted in Jammu & Kashmir, presence of PLA troops in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and refusal of visas to people from Arunachal Pradesh. “It is the same pattern. Not all is wonderful and peaceful in India-China relations. This is a complex relationship.”

Chinese Premier Li Keiqiang arrives here towards the end of the month. Apart from official level talks, he also has several public engagements lined up. Both will serve to assess the Chinese reason behind the encampment and its approach towards the border issue.

In case China reminds India about the draft of a Border Cooperation Agreement it had submitted in March this year, New Delhi might want to bring back to the table negotiations for clarifying the LAC, especially in areas such as the one to which both sides claim. China had expressed disinterest in talks to clarify the LAC about a decade back and since then the subject has not been raised again.

But the sources felt more clarity will come after Mr. Khurshid returns and when Mr. Keiqiang arrives here. Till then India could remain content that the matter did not escalate to the point of no return, its negotiators held their nerves, and the existing mechanisms and treaties were put to reasonably good effect.
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(Two things to be noted. One, that our ability to mobilize and respond has been drastically reduced since the 2001 standoff with pak. All the exercises towards cold start have ensured this. Two, although complete road connectivity has not yet been put in place in the east, they have built enough stretches of roads and ammo dumps in important places, to ensure that we can mobilize soldiers at any point on the border in a matter of hours. Let's give some credit to the forces, although they and the civilian agencies are not efficient in planning, they have still managed to secure our frontiers, to ensure proportionate response anywhere. They have done a lot of work behind the scenes, for which they get no credit.)
 
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respond in 6 hours is unimaginable?
india got ready for everything before take actions to provoke us,including media hype. even 6 seconds is reasonable.
They should have worked out several plans, to face the consequences of constructing permanent sentry post in the disputed area .or else they are gluttons and you india people pay them money to ask for trubble.
 
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Ayooooo ...... can we bury this issue ? there are half a gazillion threads on this ....
 
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India China incursion is becoming boring now.
 
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@janon sorry to say bro...but we had enough of this topic....Let's put it to REST now.
 
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respond in 6 hours is unimaginable?
india got ready for everything before take actions to provoke us,including media hype. even 6 seconds is reasonable.
They should have worked out several plans, to face the consequences of constructing permanent sentry post in the disputed area .or else they are gluttons and you india people pay them money to ask for trubble.

Do you know the posts u are talking about were present way back in 2011 itself. So why did china all of a suddden take steps now in 2013?
 
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India responded in six hours flat - The Hindu

Officials here are satisfied by the speed with which the Indian security forces reacted to tents put up by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers in Debsang Valley on April 15. But they are still mystified by the purpose behind such an exercise that heightened passions in India.

India had put up tents opposite the Chinese ones in six hours, a speed which was unimaginable a decade back. “Rather than guess their intentions, we have to have in place a response and make it clear that if they do anything silly, they would be embarrassed. We showed it this time. In six hours Indian troops were there,” they pointed out

Several theories abound about possible Chinese intentions in camping for three weeks on a featureless ground disputed by both sides, but sources said India’s current level of preparedness helped ensure the diplomats did not have sleepless nights.

India has reactivated over a dozen airfields next to the Chinese border. It has built almost 70 roads leading to forward positions and logistics depots, positioned high-performance fighter jets in the North-East and equipped its soldiers with advanced fighting ability in the mountains. “No government in the past has done so much as this one has done in the past six years to strengthen the border,” they claimed.

India could have exercised the options of cutting the supply lines or doing away with the Chinese soldiers, as suggested by several strategic experts. “What would have been the outcome? Where would have all that headed to?” they asked and explained the difference between the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China and the Line of Control (LOC) with Pakistan.

The LOC is a live line, demarcated by the militaries, across which a lot of activity takes place — firing, movements and face to face confrontation, especially static in the form of posts bang opposite each other. None of this is true in the case of the LAC. It is not demarcated and has vast empty spaces — 50 to 100 kms separate the two armies — with patrols from both sides walking in and out of these empty spaces. “Problems arise when we carry the habits of India-Pak LOC to the India-China LAC,” said the sources.

The sources did not see the three-week encampment by Chinese troops as a one-off pattern. They pointed to recurring problems because of the disputed border — stapled visas, denial of visit to an Indian Army commander posted in Jammu & Kashmir, presence of PLA troops in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and refusal of visas to people from Arunachal Pradesh. “It is the same pattern. Not all is wonderful and peaceful in India-China relations. This is a complex relationship.”

Chinese Premier Li Keiqiang arrives here towards the end of the month. Apart from official level talks, he also has several public engagements lined up. Both will serve to assess the Chinese reason behind the encampment and its approach towards the border issue.

In case China reminds India about the draft of a Border Cooperation Agreement it had submitted in March this year, New Delhi might want to bring back to the table negotiations for clarifying the LAC, especially in areas such as the one to which both sides claim. China had expressed disinterest in talks to clarify the LAC about a decade back and since then the subject has not been raised again.

But the sources felt more clarity will come after Mr. Khurshid returns and when Mr. Keiqiang arrives here. Till then India could remain content that the matter did not escalate to the point of no return, its negotiators held their nerves, and the existing mechanisms and treaties were put to reasonably good effect.
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(Two things to be noted. One, that our ability to mobilize and respond has been drastically reduced since the 2001 standoff with pak. All the exercises towards cold start have ensured this. Two, although complete road connectivity has not yet been put in place in the east, they have built enough stretches of roads and ammo dumps in important places, to ensure that we can mobilize soldiers at any point on the border in a matter of hours. Let's give some credit to the forces, although they and the civilian agencies are not efficient in planning, they have still managed to secure our frontiers, to ensure proportionate response anywhere. They have done a lot of work behind the scenes, for which they get no credit.)

So it means that now we can observe some action in very near future in North and South of INDIA.
 
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@janon sorry to say bro...but we had enough of this topic....Let's put it to REST now.

I posted this to discuss our preparations, not about the incursion. The article is also meant to highlight the measures we have taken on the eastern borders, which is why I reddenned the relevant part. I am also not interested in discussing the incursion itself again.

In the threads about the incursion, many people were questioning India's preparedness. @Joe Shearer in particular was vocal on the issue. I wanted to point out that although it doesn't get talked about much, the IA has done a lot of work there to imrove our response time, and that some important infrastructure has been created in the east.

I did not start this thread to have another debate on who won and who lost. I myself made that point on the latest thread about the incursion, that we should stop trying to decide victory on the internet, since the issue on the ground itself has been resolved. This thread is meant to serve as an eye opener to everybody, that quite a lot of work has been done silently to beef up our infra in the east, and that the exercises in mobility we have done since 2001 are bearing fruit.

It's about a larger point, not about the Chinese incursion per se. Which is why I highlighted the important parts in red; and my comments after the article were also meant to provoke a disucussion on IA's affairs, not the incursion, and to prevent endless comments about the incursion itself - which is why I did not mention China, and confined my comment strictly to the issue of IA's infra work.
 
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I posted this to discuss our preparations, not about the incursion. The article is also meant to highlight the measures we have taken on the eastern borders, which is why I reddenned the relevant part. I am also not interested in discussing the incursion itself again.

In the threads about the incursion, many people were questioning India's preparedness.

@Joe Shearer talks like defeated Nehru even before first bullet is fired.Nehru also used to say that not a single blade of grass grows over there hence it's good to give China a free hand over there .Either he just want to enjoy the handsome salary of Army without moving his fat asss or is Chinese agent .He never really talks about needed steps to counter the assertive China.

But I would like to know his views on Arunachal Pardesh .Should we accede AP to China since it's very far from mainland and is sparsely populated ????
 
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Perhaps you would like to figure out how to post first, @SAN 1971, before presenting a garbled view of history and asking silly questions based on such jumbled up information.

I posted this to discuss our preparations, not about the incursion. The article is also meant to highlight the measures we have taken on the eastern borders, which is why I reddenned the relevant part. I am also not interested in discussing the incursion itself again.

In the threads about the incursion, many people were questioning India's preparedness. @Joe Shearer in particular was vocal on the issue. I wanted to point out that although it doesn't get talked about much, the IA has done a lot of work there to imrove our response time, and that some important infrastructure has been created in the east.

I did not start this thread to have another debate on who won and who lost. I myself made that point on the latest thread about the incursion, that we should stop trying to decide victory on the internet, since the issue on the ground itself has been resolved. This thread is meant to serve as an eye opener to everybody, that quite a lot of work has been done silently to beef up our infra in the east, and that the exercises in mobility we have done since 2001 are bearing fruit.

It's about a larger point, not about the Chinese incursion per se. Which is why I highlighted the important parts in red; and my comments after the article were also meant to provoke a disucussion on IA's affairs, not the incursion, and to prevent endless comments about the incursion itself - which is why I did not mention China, and confined my comment strictly to the issue of IA's infra work.

I do not know about others, but I have been touring these areas extensively over the last five years. The latest occasion was in April this year, just last month, that is.

The infrastructure in the hills is abysmal. It takes seven hours to get from Dirang to Tawang. The stretch on both sides of Se La is a threat to life.

Why is it that we insist on burying our heads in the sand, instead of taking the steps that are necessary to be taken?
 
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While talks about mobilization time is OK, a report earlier in one of the newspapers said that Indian government blamed the Indian army for Chinese action.

The report said Indian army created bunkers in the Chumar area, details of which were not shared with the government. Creation of bunkers in the Chumar area violated one of the peace agreements India has with China. The Indian army not only setup the bunkers but also started aggressive patrolling in the area which panicked the Chinese.

The Chinese, being on a disadvantage in the Chumar area, retaliated by incursions in Daulat begh oldi where India is disadvantaged geographically.

My point being -> No doubt that China is a big enemy, Indian army needs to exercise restraint on the Chinese border.
By the aggression that the Indian army showed needlessly, the government has now got one more reason as to why ITBP should not be under army control.

If the report is true, Indian army actions provided a reason for China to become belligerent.
 
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India responded in six hours flat - The Hindu

Officials here are satisfied by the speed with which the Indian security forces reacted to tents put up by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers in Debsang Valley on April 15. But they are still mystified by the purpose behind such an exercise that heightened passions in India.

India had put up tents opposite the Chinese ones in six hours, a speed which was unimaginable a decade back. “Rather than guess their intentions, we have to have in place a response and make it clear that if they do anything silly, they would be embarrassed. We showed it this time. In six hours Indian troops were there,” they pointed out

Several theories abound about possible Chinese intentions in camping for three weeks on a featureless ground disputed by both sides, but sources said India’s current level of preparedness helped ensure the diplomats did not have sleepless nights.

India has reactivated over a dozen airfields next to the Chinese border. It has built almost 70 roads leading to forward positions and logistics depots, positioned high-performance fighter jets in the North-East and equipped its soldiers with advanced fighting ability in the mountains. “No government in the past has done so much as this one has done in the past six years to strengthen the border,” they claimed.

India could have exercised the options of cutting the supply lines or doing away with the Chinese soldiers, as suggested by several strategic experts. “What would have been the outcome? Where would have all that headed to?” they asked and explained the difference between the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China and the Line of Control (LOC) with Pakistan.

The LOC is a live line, demarcated by the militaries, across which a lot of activity takes place — firing, movements and face to face confrontation, especially static in the form of posts bang opposite each other. None of this is true in the case of the LAC. It is not demarcated and has vast empty spaces — 50 to 100 kms separate the two armies — with patrols from both sides walking in and out of these empty spaces. “Problems arise when we carry the habits of India-Pak LOC to the India-China LAC,” said the sources.

The sources did not see the three-week encampment by Chinese troops as a one-off pattern. They pointed to recurring problems because of the disputed border — stapled visas, denial of visit to an Indian Army commander posted in Jammu & Kashmir, presence of PLA troops in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and refusal of visas to people from Arunachal Pradesh. “It is the same pattern. Not all is wonderful and peaceful in India-China relations. This is a complex relationship.”

Chinese Premier Li Keiqiang arrives here towards the end of the month. Apart from official level talks, he also has several public engagements lined up. Both will serve to assess the Chinese reason behind the encampment and its approach towards the border issue.

In case China reminds India about the draft of a Border Cooperation Agreement it had submitted in March this year, New Delhi might want to bring back to the table negotiations for clarifying the LAC, especially in areas such as the one to which both sides claim. China had expressed disinterest in talks to clarify the LAC about a decade back and since then the subject has not been raised again.

But the sources felt more clarity will come after Mr. Khurshid returns and when Mr. Keiqiang arrives here. Till then India could remain content that the matter did not escalate to the point of no return, its negotiators held their nerves, and the existing mechanisms and treaties were put to reasonably good effect.
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(Two things to be noted. One, that our ability to mobilize and respond has been drastically increased since the 2001 standoff with pak. All the exercises towards cold start have ensured this. Two, although complete road connectivity has not yet been put in place in the east, they have built enough stretches of roads and ammo dumps in important places, to ensure that we can mobilize soldiers at any point on the border in a matter of hours. Let's give some credit to the forces, although they and the civilian agencies are not efficient in planning, they have still managed to secure our frontiers, to ensure proportionate response anywhere. They have done a lot of work behind the scenes, for which they get no credit.)

Thanks for info

(Two things to be noted. One, that our ability to mobilize and respond has been drastically increased since the 2001 standoff with pak.

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Some of the areas are left intentionally with out any infra, so that the invading army cannot hold the territory, that do not mean India is not responding to the threat.
 
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