India raises concern over Russian attack copter sale to Pakistan

[Secur]

@Oscar @Chak Bamu @Manticore

Please see the kids out and clean the thread .

 

[NKVD]

Russia’s Proposed Arms Sale To Pakistan: Deciphering ‘True Lies’ – Analysis

June 20 2014

June 20, 2014 Sourabh Jyoti Sharma 3 Comments
By Sourabh Jyoti Sharma


In early June this year, Russia decided to lift its self-imposed arms embargo on Pakistan. By this Russia has sent the signal that it is opening up to negotiate with Pakistan to resume supplying military hardware to it – a clear violation of its gentleman’s agreement with India not to supply any arms to its troublesome neighbour. Questions will surely be arising on the logic or factors behind this sudden U-turn on Russia’s part.

Why is Moscow suddenly warming up to Islamabad, forgetting its age-old friend New Delhi? Or is it just a ‘bargaining tool’ in Russia’s diplomatic somersault to nudge India, which in recent years has been acquiring its arsenals from non-Russian nations that rival it in global armament supplies, to change its current defence procurement policy that Moscow finds is becoming unfavourable to it.

Or does an ‘arms embargo on Pakistan’ by Russia even exist in the first place? Because there is neither any Russian official document nor even any diplomatic communiqué reaffirming its so-called “self-imposed policy” i.e. banning arms supply to Pakistan.

Without dwelling much on the past of the Cold War era Moscow-Islamabad ties, it can be said safely that truly there didn’t exist any ‘strategic’ aspect via-a-vis defence in that. This can’t be given the colour of New Delhi’s complex sensitivities involved in helping to arm its sworn enemy – a virtual taboo for the Muscovites even to think of.

Russia could at best say a customary “Hello’ to Pakistani mandarins stationed in its Moscow embassy. Shaking hands without shaking India’s reposed faith in Moscow that come what may its “true friend” will never allow India’s own external security to be put at risk by arming Pakistan, even if such defence deals seem more profitable than the ones with India.

On its part, Pakistan has already got a flourishing joint defence R&D with China, and through it Pakistan has been augmenting its arsenal, which include FC-20, AL-31F, JF-17 Thunder fighter planes, at par with others.

China, which is a master expert in ‘reverse engineering’ (copy cats) to re-produce the ‘duplicate or fake’ version of the same, has been acquiring Russian armaments like Sukhoi-27, Sukhoi-30, Mig-29 etc powered by the legendary RD-33 engine. And in turn its ‘reverse engineered’ ‘Made in China’ fighter planes are sold to Pakistan.

Russia has strongly protested against violation of intellectual property rights (IPR), patents etc by China with impunity and threatened to halt all agreed defence sales to Beijing, unless it mends its ‘duplication’ trickery in the name of just doing ‘reverse engineering’!

What China, in turn conveyed to Russia is not clear, but most certainly it has sent the message to Pakistan that Islamabad can no longer rely upon just China-made military hardware which is quite inferior to the Russian ones in terms of quality cum agility and scouted for other ‘reliable sources’ to be armed with.

This is the main reason why Islamabad is suddenly warming up to Moscow and why Moscow, finding itself relegated to a secondary position in the current wish list of India’s arms procurement agenda, wants to use this ‘Pak-send’ opportunity as a warning to make New Delhi ‘redo’ its policy of gradually reducing Russian origin inventories in its arsenal by diversifying it with inventories from US, France, UK, Israel and Japan.

Russia is already upset with India over losing the fight in the race for the multi-billion defence deal, its biggest ever since independence, for acquiring the ‘best fit deal’ medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Russia was also one of the final contenders in the ambitious MMRCA deal, pitted against the EU, France and Sweden, but lost to France’s Rafael fighter jet, which is India’s final MMRCA choice. Russia has lost the deal in spite of using all its resources to lobby with New Delhi.

The loss of MMRCA deal to France has irked the Russian establishment, though India tried its best to persuade its all-weather ally. If that wasn’t enough, India’s decision to buy US armaments, like J-130 Super Hercules, Globemaster J-17, Pi-8 long range maritime reconnaissance jet etc have acted in the manner of rubbing salt on Russia’s wounded prestige over losing the MMRCA deal.

Moreover, India’s decision to buy US-made Apache fighter helicopters from Israel, negotiating for buying amphibious fighter aircraft from Japan – all these have been seen by Russia as India’s move to relegate Moscow from its earlier ‘first choice’ position to a ‘subordinating secondary’ position.

Hence, by announcing lifting of arms embargo on Pakistan, Russia wants to send a clear signal to India that if it can ‘redo’ its defence procurement policy, then Russia can also ‘rethink’ its global arms sale policy. A tit for tat!

Now, where does one proceed from this? Will Russia “really” resort to selling arms to Pakistan, setting aside India’s genuine security concerns?

Although Russia still thinks its ‘anti-Pakistan’ act during the 1971 India-Pakistan war, as a supporting war ally of India, is still cause of diplomatic embarrassment, but its move to sell Russian defence products to Pakistan is not a ‘new’ phenomenon, as is being led to believe by ‘misinformed’ opinions of some strategic pundits.

As Russia’s Ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin said, “We have supplied arms to Pakistan since early 1960s. This (lifting arms embargo’) was a sheer case of misreporting and over-reacting”.

Notably, Russia had supplied Pakistan with Mi-17 civilian aircraft in the past, and the ongoing talks for selling Mi-35 Hind or Mi-28 Havoc attack helicopters were only in the initial stage. Incidentally, two of Russia’s biggest arms export wings, state-run Rosoboronexport as well as Rostec, have denied any move to resume selling combat/offensive military hardware to Pakistan.

Re-emphasizing Russia’s long-standing strategic ties with India, Kadakin has said that Moscow will not do anything detrimental to its deep ties with New Delhi, as a partner by its side in fighting anti-terror campaigns. Ironically, it was Rostec’s CEO Sergey Chemezov who while on his visit to New Delhi in early June this year, gave an ‘impression’ that Russia has lifted its self-imposed embargo on arms sale to Pakistan, but later denied that such an embargo was ever in place.

Both India and Russia enjoy mutual trust in their long-standing strategic relations and both are all-weather allies. There is an unofficial agreement existing on both sides that neither India nor Russia will ever resort to such things that are mutually considered by both as sounding the death knell to their deep ties of strategic engagement. India’s move to diversify its defence arsenal is guided by sheer professionalism, and Russia is mature enough to understand this, as a global arms dealer.

Moreover, today over 75% of India’s military hardware across the three wings i.e. army, navy and air force, are of Russian origin, and thus India will always be dependent on Russian supply of spare parts for keeping them operational. Regular up-gradation of weaponry has been done with Russian cooperation.

Pushing indigenization fast forward, both India and Russia are jointly manufacturing multi-role military transport helicopters, the fifth generation stealth fighter jet (PAKFA or Sukhoi T-50), Kudankulum II nuclear reactor, various defence and space projects etc. At various international forums like UN, WTO etc Russia and India always stand in mutual support on issues concerning them both. While Russia vetoed many anti-India UN resolutions, India also strongly opposed many anti-Russia proposals at UN.

Hence, the bottom-line – besides a ‘jubilant’ Pakistan and its ‘misinformed’ think-tanks’ ‘irrational exuberance’ over ‘Russia’s proposed arms sale’, nothing much should be read into a move which is denied by Russian arms exporters and its ambassador to India.

At best, Russia can sell non-lethal civilian products to Pakistan, as it did in the past, but strictly not any lethal military hardware (like Mi-35, Mi-28) to India’s arch enemy, as a ‘disillusioned’ Pakistani military establishment has been made to believe. The move is nothing but Russia’s ‘diplomatic manoeuver’ to make the new Indian dispensation under Prime Minister Modi agree to ink more defence deals cum joint manufacturing agreements with Moscow in future. Thus ensuring its predominant ‘first priority’ position in India’s global defence procurement-cum joint manufacturing deals, forever.

A foolish Pakistan could not decipher this ‘diplomatic teaser’ from Russia but an intelligent India can, because it knows well that while dealing with any regime in New Delhi, Moscow will have no other choice but to be solely guided by a proverbial ‘Hobson’s Choice’ – not to do anything threatening India’s own security – or the age-old Indo-Russian ties will cease to exist for good. This is the ‘real truth’ regarding “Russia’s proposed arms sale to Pakistan”. All else is mere ‘true lies’!

This article also appeared at South Asia Monitor.

MMRCA IS A BIGGEST Arms deal since Independence Then what Was FGFA I am Wondering

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Russia’s Proposed Arms Sale To Pakistan: Deciphering ‘True Lies’ – Analysis

June 20 2014

June 20, 2014 Sourabh Jyoti Sharma 3 Comments
By Sourabh Jyoti Sharma


In early June this year, Russia decided to lift its self-imposed arms embargo on Pakistan. By this Russia has sent the signal that it is opening up to negotiate with Pakistan to resume supplying military hardware to it – a clear violation of its gentleman’s agreement with India not to supply any arms to its troublesome neighbour. Questions will surely be arising on the logic or factors behind this sudden U-turn on Russia’s part.

Why is Moscow suddenly warming up to Islamabad, forgetting its age-old friend New Delhi? Or is it just a ‘bargaining tool’ in Russia’s diplomatic somersault to nudge India, which in recent years has been acquiring its arsenals from non-Russian nations that rival it in global armament supplies, to change its current defence procurement policy that Moscow finds is becoming unfavourable to it.

Or does an ‘arms embargo on Pakistan’ by Russia even exist in the first place? Because there is neither any Russian official document nor even any diplomatic communiqué reaffirming its so-called “self-imposed policy” i.e. banning arms supply to Pakistan.

Without dwelling much on the past of the Cold War era Moscow-Islamabad ties, it can be said safely that truly there didn’t exist any ‘strategic’ aspect via-a-vis defence in that. This can’t be given the colour of New Delhi’s complex sensitivities involved in helping to arm its sworn enemy – a virtual taboo for the Muscovites even to think of.

Russia could at best say a customary “Hello’ to Pakistani mandarins stationed in its Moscow embassy. Shaking hands without shaking India’s reposed faith in Moscow that come what may its “true friend” will never allow India’s own external security to be put at risk by arming Pakistan, even if such defence deals seem more profitable than the ones with India.

On its part, Pakistan has already got a flourishing joint defence R&D with China, and through it Pakistan has been augmenting its arsenal, which include FC-20, AL-31F, JF-17 Thunder fighter planes, at par with others.

China, which is a master expert in ‘reverse engineering’ (copy cats) to re-produce the ‘duplicate or fake’ version of the same, has been acquiring Russian armaments like Sukhoi-27, Sukhoi-30, Mig-29 etc powered by the legendary RD-33 engine. And in turn its ‘reverse engineered’ ‘Made in China’ fighter planes are sold to Pakistan.

Russia has strongly protested against violation of intellectual property rights (IPR), patents etc by China with impunity and threatened to halt all agreed defence sales to Beijing, unless it mends its ‘duplication’ trickery in the name of just doing ‘reverse engineering’!

What China, in turn conveyed to Russia is not clear, but most certainly it has sent the message to Pakistan that Islamabad can no longer rely upon just China-made military hardware which is quite inferior to the Russian ones in terms of quality cum agility and scouted for other ‘reliable sources’ to be armed with.

This is the main reason why Islamabad is suddenly warming up to Moscow and why Moscow, finding itself relegated to a secondary position in the current wish list of India’s arms procurement agenda, wants to use this ‘Pak-send’ opportunity as a warning to make New Delhi ‘redo’ its policy of gradually reducing Russian origin inventories in its arsenal by diversifying it with inventories from US, France, UK, Israel and Japan.

Russia is already upset with India over losing the fight in the race for the multi-billion defence deal, its biggest ever since independence, for acquiring the ‘best fit deal’ medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Russia was also one of the final contenders in the ambitious MMRCA deal, pitted against the EU, France and Sweden, but lost to France’s Rafael fighter jet, which is India’s final MMRCA choice. Russia has lost the deal in spite of using all its resources to lobby with New Delhi.

The loss of MMRCA deal to France has irked the Russian establishment, though India tried its best to persuade its all-weather ally. If that wasn’t enough, India’s decision to buy US armaments, like J-130 Super Hercules, Globemaster J-17, Pi-8 long range maritime reconnaissance jet etc have acted in the manner of rubbing salt on Russia’s wounded prestige over losing the MMRCA deal.

Moreover, India’s decision to buy US-made Apache fighter helicopters from Israel, negotiating for buying amphibious fighter aircraft from Japan – all these have been seen by Russia as India’s move to relegate Moscow from its earlier ‘first choice’ position to a ‘subordinating secondary’ position.

Hence, by announcing lifting of arms embargo on Pakistan, Russia wants to send a clear signal to India that if it can ‘redo’ its defence procurement policy, then Russia can also ‘rethink’ its global arms sale policy. A tit for tat!

Now, where does one proceed from this? Will Russia “really” resort to selling arms to Pakistan, setting aside India’s genuine security concerns?

Although Russia still thinks its ‘anti-Pakistan’ act during the 1971 India-Pakistan war, as a supporting war ally of India, is still cause of diplomatic embarrassment, but its move to sell Russian defence products to Pakistan is not a ‘new’ phenomenon, as is being led to believe by ‘misinformed’ opinions of some strategic pundits.

As Russia’s Ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin said, “We have supplied arms to Pakistan since early 1960s. This (lifting arms embargo’) was a sheer case of misreporting and over-reacting”.

Notably, Russia had supplied Pakistan with Mi-17 civilian aircraft in the past, and the ongoing talks for selling Mi-35 Hind or Mi-28 Havoc attack helicopters were only in the initial stage. Incidentally, two of Russia’s biggest arms export wings, state-run Rosoboronexport as well as Rostec, have denied any move to resume selling combat/offensive military hardware to Pakistan.

Re-emphasizing Russia’s long-standing strategic ties with India, Kadakin has said that Moscow will not do anything detrimental to its deep ties with New Delhi, as a partner by its side in fighting anti-terror campaigns. Ironically, it was Rostec’s CEO Sergey Chemezov who while on his visit to New Delhi in early June this year, gave an ‘impression’ that Russia has lifted its self-imposed embargo on arms sale to Pakistan, but later denied that such an embargo was ever in place.

Both India and Russia enjoy mutual trust in their long-standing strategic relations and both are all-weather allies. There is an unofficial agreement existing on both sides that neither India nor Russia will ever resort to such things that are mutually considered by both as sounding the death knell to their deep ties of strategic engagement. India’s move to diversify its defence arsenal is guided by sheer professionalism, and Russia is mature enough to understand this, as a global arms dealer.

Moreover, today over 75% of India’s military hardware across the three wings i.e. army, navy and air force, are of Russian origin, and thus India will always be dependent on Russian supply of spare parts for keeping them operational. Regular up-gradation of weaponry has been done with Russian cooperation.

Pushing indigenization fast forward, both India and Russia are jointly manufacturing multi-role military transport helicopters, the fifth generation stealth fighter jet (PAKFA or Sukhoi T-50), Kudankulum II nuclear reactor, various defence and space projects etc. At various international forums like UN, WTO etc Russia and India always stand in mutual support on issues concerning them both. While Russia vetoed many anti-India UN resolutions, India also strongly opposed many anti-Russia proposals at UN.

Hence, the bottom-line – besides a ‘jubilant’ Pakistan and its ‘misinformed’ think-tanks’ ‘irrational exuberance’ over ‘Russia’s proposed arms sale’, nothing much should be read into a move which is denied by Russian arms exporters and its ambassador to India.

At best, Russia can sell non-lethal civilian products to Pakistan, as it did in the past, but strictly not any lethal military hardware (like Mi-35, Mi-28) to India’s arch enemy, as a ‘disillusioned’ Pakistani military establishment has been made to believe. The move is nothing but Russia’s ‘diplomatic manoeuver’ to make the new Indian dispensation under Prime Minister Modi agree to ink more defence deals cum joint manufacturing agreements with Moscow in future. Thus ensuring its predominant ‘first priority’ position in India’s global defence procurement-cum joint manufacturing deals, forever.

A foolish Pakistan could not decipher this ‘diplomatic teaser’ from Russia but an intelligent India can, because it knows well that while dealing with any regime in New Delhi, Moscow will have no other choice but to be solely guided by a proverbial ‘Hobson’s Choice’ – not to do anything threatening India’s own security – or the age-old Indo-Russian ties will cease to exist for good. This is the ‘real truth’ regarding “Russia’s proposed arms sale to Pakistan”. All else is mere ‘true lies’!

This article also appeared at South Asia Monitor.

please read the article completely , Crux lies in the end of article....last paragraph
A foolish Pakistan could not decipher this ‘diplomatic teaser’ from Russia but an intelligent India can, because it knows well that while dealing with any regime in New Delhi, Moscow will have no other choice but to be solely guided by a proverbial ‘Hobson’s Choice’ – not to do anything threatening India’s own security – or the age-old Indo-Russian ties will cease to exist for good. This is the ‘real truth’ regarding “Russia’s proposed arms sale to Pakistan”. All else is mere ‘true lies’!

please read the article completely , Crux lies in the end of article....

@secure you didn't reply, why Russia replacing its 250+ MI-24/35 in favour of MI28?

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Amazing hindustani members leading the thread derailing it to something else with "russians replacing their helos" whocares what russians are doing Pakistan has a deal it is getting it for COIN that's FUCKING ALL even if it is 35 Years old Gunship do you indians GET IT? I will hand over -VE Rating to every indian member if they derail the thread.

Well its PAK posters who are trumping chest as calling PAK doing a coup and clamming that their victory, indian heart burned etc. etc. indian poster only counter that .... when asked difficult question paso posters fallen back...

the Negative rating you have Given me , "I only highlighted the article in the last Pharagraph of the article that PAK poster is posted " ... and only asked some difficult questions which PAK poster don't have any answer.... so hiding behind there negative ratings

IF you don't see the the TOPIC ? its RUSSIA ignore Indian concern, indian members proved that , Russia didn't ignored Indian concern or either India is non-concerned at all, while PAK poster trying to prove that Indian concern are ignored and it made coupe and victory.

Now when Indian members proofs that indian not concerned or any reason to concern, Pak posters rattles when they don't find difficult question's answer.

@ADMINISTRATOR @moderaters: i have a doubt on moderation capability of him.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

About Decade ago Russia would not even have thought about selling anything to Pakistan. Then around 5 years ago it was the engines for JF-17. Now it is Mi-35. Some time in near future it might also be fighters.

A decade a go India would have protested and Russia would have obliged. Five years a go India protested and Russia calmed them. Today Russia ignored Indian protests. When it shall be fighters Russia wouldn't even bother to take India into confidence.

A decade a go India would have proudly said wee we killed the deal. Five years a go India said it is just engines. Today you are saying it is just chopper. Next time you would say it is just fighters.

My dear world is changing. Learn to adapt.

How about this?
About a decade ago India had only Russia has defence partner and provider, now it is more of Joint venture.
About a decade ago India couldnt even think of High end military purchase from the west, now there is talk of JV.
About a decade ago pakistan was getting front line fighter from US now see u are forced to select equipment that is being phased out.
Russia ignored Indian protest? When did India even Protest?
U guys are happy? Hell we are providing lot more than Russian hardware for the Afghan military from Russia than what Pakistan is getting.
If anyone is to be worried then it is China whose defense products are bought only by Pakistan, now there is real competition for them from Russia. Smart Putin and even Smarter Modi.
Let see what the all weather friend has to say if any other defence deal goes through....
Funny chaps, really the world is changing so quick

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistan will eventually go for Turkey's T-129, but to buy, intergrate that platform is a task that will take many years.

The T-129 will be our anti-india attack helicopter


However in the short term we need a small number of heavy attack helicopters for anti TTP operations


People are reading too much into this, this will not be our main attack helicopter and we wont buy large numbers, we just need a stop gap measure before we can properly induct the helicopter we want

 

[NKVD]

MMRCA IS A BIGGEST Arms deal since Independence Then what Was FGFA I am Wondering

@WebMaster @Aeronaut @Oscar @Manticore this a Bad choice of giving me a Neg-rating By @Donatello I was Not even Abusing any one My comment was on the Article that was put by @RaptorRX707 on The Line "Russia is already upset with India over losing the fight in the race for the multi-billion defence deal, its biggest ever since independence"
i was Contradicting Indian Author Itself and his Knowledge About this Deal

I made by Self far from Fight going on this thread Its Self Kindly Please Request ModeratorsTell @Donatello to take it Back

 

[Always Neutral]

See trolls out @Chak Bamu

So telling the truth is trolling? Come back when u actually buy a MI 35?

@WebMaster @Aeronaut @Oscar @Manticore this a Bad choice of giving me a Neg-rating By @Donatello I was Not even Abusing any one My comment was on the Article that was put by @RaptorRX707 on The Line "Russia is already upset with India over losing the fight in the race for the multi-billion defence deal, its biggest ever since independence"
i was Contradicting Indian Author Itself and his Knowledge About this Deal

I made by Self far from Fight going on this thread Its Self Kindly Please Request ModeratorsTell @Donatello to take it Back

don't be so sensitive. This is just a forum not Gods justice.

 

[VelocuR]

India draws 'red line' on Russia-Pakistan deal as Deputy PM gets set to visit
Daily Mail
13 June 2014

When Russian Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin visits next week, he will be informed that Russia would breach a red line in its relationship with India if it went through with the reported deal to sell Mi-35 attack helicopters to Pakistan

When Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin arrives in India next week, he will be informed that Russia's plans to sell lethal military equipment to Pakistan amounts to the crossing of a "red line" in relations between New Delhi and Moscow.

Russia, which was displaced last year by the US as India's biggest arms supplier, is reportedly negotiating with Pakistan the sale of the Mi-35 Hind gunship (heavily armed helicopters).

The move has not gone down well with the Indian government.

"There are red lines in all relationships. We have no problems if the Russians sell non-lethal equipment like Mi-17 helicopters to Pakistan. They can even sell counter-terrorism equipment but the Mi-35s are not non-lethal equipment," a source in the government told Mail Today.

The sale of lethal gear like Mi-35 attack helicopters by Moscow to Islamabad will be tantamount to "crossing a red line" and this will be conveyed to Rogozin by his Indian interlocutors when he arrives in the Indian capital on June 18.

Indian officials believe the proposed deal for Mi-35 helicopters is unlikely to go through any time soon but India's views on it will nonetheless be conveyed to Rogozin.

The officials acknowledged Russia's decision to engage Pakistan ahead of the drawdown of foreign forces in Afghanistan but said this should not affect the strategic balance in the region.

Rogozin, who co-chairs the India-Russia Inter-governmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific, Technological and Cultural Cooperation, will be the first Russian leader to visit Delhi since the new BJP government assumed office.

He is expected to discuss cooperation in defence, trade, nuclear energy and space exploration.

His unscheduled visit will also prepare the ground for the first summit meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Reports from Moscow said Rogozin would attempt to reassure the Indian leadership that India remains Russia's most important defence and strategic partner.

While the Indian government has not officially reacted to negotiations for the sale of Mi-35 helicopters, there have been misleading reports in the Indian media that an arms embargo on Islamabad was lifted by Moscow.

Alexander Kadakin, the Russian envoy to India, has said Moscow never imposed an arms embargo on Islamabad and that its military cooperation with Pakistan dated back to the 1960s. He also said Russia had not changed any policy.

Over the past few years, Pakistan has assiduously courted Russia to boost bilateral relations. Former Army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani visited Russia in 2009 and 2012.

During the second visit, Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov postponed an annual meeting with his then Indian counterpart A.K. Antony in New Delhi so that he could meet Kayani.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

@secure you didn't reply, why Russia replacing its 250+ MI-24/35 in favour of MI28???

Russia’s Proposed Arms Sale To Pakistan: Deciphering ‘True Lies’ – Analysis

June 20 2014

June 20, 2014 Sourabh Jyoti Sharma 3 Comments
By Sourabh Jyoti Sharma


In early June this year, Russia decided to lift its self-imposed arms embargo on Pakistan. By this Russia has sent the signal that it is opening up to negotiate with Pakistan to resume supplying military hardware to it – a clear violation of its gentleman’s agreement with India not to supply any arms to its troublesome neighbour. Questions will surely be arising on the logic or factors behind this sudden U-turn on Russia’s part.

Why is Moscow suddenly warming up to Islamabad, forgetting its age-old friend New Delhi? Or is it just a ‘bargaining tool’ in Russia’s diplomatic somersault to nudge India, which in recent years has been acquiring its arsenals from non-Russian nations that rival it in global armament supplies, to change its current defence procurement policy that Moscow finds is becoming unfavourable to it.

Or does an ‘arms embargo on Pakistan’ by Russia even exist in the first place? Because there is neither any Russian official document nor even any diplomatic communiqué reaffirming its so-called “self-imposed policy” i.e. banning arms supply to Pakistan.

Without dwelling much on the past of the Cold War era Moscow-Islamabad ties, it can be said safely that truly there didn’t exist any ‘strategic’ aspect via-a-vis defence in that. This can’t be given the colour of New Delhi’s complex sensitivities involved in helping to arm its sworn enemy – a virtual taboo for the Muscovites even to think of.

Russia could at best say a customary “Hello’ to Pakistani mandarins stationed in its Moscow embassy. Shaking hands without shaking India’s reposed faith in Moscow that come what may its “true friend” will never allow India’s own external security to be put at risk by arming Pakistan, even if such defence deals seem more profitable than the ones with India.

On its part, Pakistan has already got a flourishing joint defence R&D with China, and through it Pakistan has been augmenting its arsenal, which include FC-20, AL-31F, JF-17 Thunder fighter planes, at par with others.

China, which is a master expert in ‘reverse engineering’ (copy cats) to re-produce the ‘duplicate or fake’ version of the same, has been acquiring Russian armaments like Sukhoi-27, Sukhoi-30, Mig-29 etc powered by the legendary RD-33 engine. And in turn its ‘reverse engineered’ ‘Made in China’ fighter planes are sold to Pakistan.

Russia has strongly protested against violation of intellectual property rights (IPR), patents etc by China with impunity and threatened to halt all agreed defence sales to Beijing, unless it mends its ‘duplication’ trickery in the name of just doing ‘reverse engineering’!

What China, in turn conveyed to Russia is not clear, but most certainly it has sent the message to Pakistan that Islamabad can no longer rely upon just China-made military hardware which is quite inferior to the Russian ones in terms of quality cum agility and scouted for other ‘reliable sources’ to be armed with.

This is the main reason why Islamabad is suddenly warming up to Moscow and why Moscow, finding itself relegated to a secondary position in the current wish list of India’s arms procurement agenda, wants to use this ‘Pak-send’ opportunity as a warning to make New Delhi ‘redo’ its policy of gradually reducing Russian origin inventories in its arsenal by diversifying it with inventories from US, France, UK, Israel and Japan.

Russia is already upset with India over losing the fight in the race for the multi-billion defence deal, its biggest ever since independence, for acquiring the ‘best fit deal’ medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Russia was also one of the final contenders in the ambitious MMRCA deal, pitted against the EU, France and Sweden, but lost to France’s Rafael fighter jet, which is India’s final MMRCA choice. Russia has lost the deal in spite of using all its resources to lobby with New Delhi.

The loss of MMRCA deal to France has irked the Russian establishment, though India tried its best to persuade its all-weather ally. If that wasn’t enough, India’s decision to buy US armaments, like J-130 Super Hercules, Globemaster J-17, Pi-8 long range maritime reconnaissance jet etc have acted in the manner of rubbing salt on Russia’s wounded prestige over losing the MMRCA deal.

Moreover, India’s decision to buy US-made Apache fighter helicopters from Israel, negotiating for buying amphibious fighter aircraft from Japan – all these have been seen by Russia as India’s move to relegate Moscow from its earlier ‘first choice’ position to a ‘subordinating secondary’ position.

Hence, by announcing lifting of arms embargo on Pakistan, Russia wants to send a clear signal to India that if it can ‘redo’ its defence procurement policy, then Russia can also ‘rethink’ its global arms sale policy. A tit for tat!

Now, where does one proceed from this? Will Russia “really” resort to selling arms to Pakistan, setting aside India’s genuine security concerns?

Although Russia still thinks its ‘anti-Pakistan’ act during the 1971 India-Pakistan war, as a supporting war ally of India, is still cause of diplomatic embarrassment, but its move to sell Russian defence products to Pakistan is not a ‘new’ phenomenon, as is being led to believe by ‘misinformed’ opinions of some strategic pundits.

As Russia’s Ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin said, “We have supplied arms to Pakistan since early 1960s. This (lifting arms embargo’) was a sheer case of misreporting and over-reacting”.

Notably, Russia had supplied Pakistan with Mi-17 civilian aircraft in the past, and the ongoing talks for selling Mi-35 Hind or Mi-28 Havoc attack helicopters were only in the initial stage. Incidentally, two of Russia’s biggest arms export wings, state-run Rosoboronexport as well as Rostec, have denied any move to resume selling combat/offensive military hardware to Pakistan.

Re-emphasizing Russia’s long-standing strategic ties with India, Kadakin has said that Moscow will not do anything detrimental to its deep ties with New Delhi, as a partner by its side in fighting anti-terror campaigns. Ironically, it was Rostec’s CEO Sergey Chemezov who while on his visit to New Delhi in early June this year, gave an ‘impression’ that Russia has lifted its self-imposed embargo on arms sale to Pakistan, but later denied that such an embargo was ever in place.

Both India and Russia enjoy mutual trust in their long-standing strategic relations and both are all-weather allies. There is an unofficial agreement existing on both sides that neither India nor Russia will ever resort to such things that are mutually considered by both as sounding the death knell to their deep ties of strategic engagement. India’s move to diversify its defence arsenal is guided by sheer professionalism, and Russia is mature enough to understand this, as a global arms dealer.

Moreover, today over 75% of India’s military hardware across the three wings i.e. army, navy and air force, are of Russian origin, and thus India will always be dependent on Russian supply of spare parts for keeping them operational. Regular up-gradation of weaponry has been done with Russian cooperation.

Pushing indigenization fast forward, both India and Russia are jointly manufacturing multi-role military transport helicopters, the fifth generation stealth fighter jet (PAKFA or Sukhoi T-50), Kudankulum II nuclear reactor, various defence and space projects etc. At various international forums like UN, WTO etc Russia and India always stand in mutual support on issues concerning them both. While Russia vetoed many anti-India UN resolutions, India also strongly opposed many anti-Russia proposals at UN.

Hence, the bottom-line – besides a ‘jubilant’ Pakistan and its ‘misinformed’ think-tanks’ ‘irrational exuberance’ over ‘Russia’s proposed arms sale’, nothing much should be read into a move which is denied by Russian arms exporters and its ambassador to India.

At best, Russia can sell non-lethal civilian products to Pakistan, as it did in the past, but strictly not any lethal military hardware (like Mi-35, Mi-28) to India’s arch enemy, as a ‘disillusioned’ Pakistani military establishment has been made to believe. The move is nothing but Russia’s ‘diplomatic manoeuver’ to make the new Indian dispensation under Prime Minister Modi agree to ink more defence deals cum joint manufacturing agreements with Moscow in future. Thus ensuring its predominant ‘first priority’ position in India’s global defence procurement-cum joint manufacturing deals, forever.

A foolish Pakistan could not decipher this ‘diplomatic teaser’ from Russia but an intelligent India can, because it knows well that while dealing with any regime in New Delhi, Moscow will have no other choice but to be solely guided by a proverbial ‘Hobson’s Choice’ – not to do anything threatening India’s own security – or the age-old Indo-Russian ties will cease to exist for good. This is the ‘real truth’ regarding “Russia’s proposed arms sale to Pakistan”. All else is mere ‘true lies’!

This article also appeared at South Asia Monitor.

Thanks for posting this article @ RaptorRX707, but forget to highlight the last paragraph, let me high light you

 

[Jayanta]

India already operates 2 squadron of Hinds...and are also planning to phase them out. It would be an advantage for India as Indians have more than 2 decades experience with the Hinds and would know it positives and negatives.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Russia’s Proposed Arms Sale To Pakistan: Deciphering ‘True Lies’ – Analysis

June 20 2014

June 20, 2014 Sourabh Jyoti Sharma 3 Comments
By Sourabh Jyoti Sharma


In early June this year, Russia decided to lift its self-imposed arms embargo on Pakistan. By this Russia has sent the signal that it is opening up to negotiate with Pakistan to resume supplying military hardware to it – a clear violation of its gentleman’s agreement with India not to supply any arms to its troublesome neighbour. Questions will surely be arising on the logic or factors behind this sudden U-turn on Russia’s part.

Why is Moscow suddenly warming up to Islamabad, forgetting its age-old friend New Delhi? Or is it just a ‘bargaining tool’ in Russia’s diplomatic somersault to nudge India, which in recent years has been acquiring its arsenals from non-Russian nations that rival it in global armament supplies, to change its current defence procurement policy that Moscow finds is becoming unfavourable to it.

Or does an ‘arms embargo on Pakistan’ by Russia even exist in the first place? Because there is neither any Russian official document nor even any diplomatic communiqué reaffirming its so-called “self-imposed policy” i.e. banning arms supply to Pakistan.

Without dwelling much on the past of the Cold War era Moscow-Islamabad ties, it can be said safely that truly there didn’t exist any ‘strategic’ aspect via-a-vis defence in that. This can’t be given the colour of New Delhi’s complex sensitivities involved in helping to arm its sworn enemy – a virtual taboo for the Muscovites even to think of.

Russia could at best say a customary “Hello’ to Pakistani mandarins stationed in its Moscow embassy. Shaking hands without shaking India’s reposed faith in Moscow that come what may its “true friend” will never allow India’s own external security to be put at risk by arming Pakistan, even if such defence deals seem more profitable than the ones with India.

On its part, Pakistan has already got a flourishing joint defence R&D with China, and through it Pakistan has been augmenting its arsenal, which include FC-20, AL-31F, JF-17 Thunder fighter planes, at par with others.

China, which is a master expert in ‘reverse engineering’ (copy cats) to re-produce the ‘duplicate or fake’ version of the same, has been acquiring Russian armaments like Sukhoi-27, Sukhoi-30, Mig-29 etc powered by the legendary RD-33 engine. And in turn its ‘reverse engineered’ ‘Made in China’ fighter planes are sold to Pakistan.

Russia has strongly protested against violation of intellectual property rights (IPR), patents etc by China with impunity and threatened to halt all agreed defence sales to Beijing, unless it mends its ‘duplication’ trickery in the name of just doing ‘reverse engineering’!

What China, in turn conveyed to Russia is not clear, but most certainly it has sent the message to Pakistan that Islamabad can no longer rely upon just China-made military hardware which is quite inferior to the Russian ones in terms of quality cum agility and scouted for other ‘reliable sources’ to be armed with.

This is the main reason why Islamabad is suddenly warming up to Moscow and why Moscow, finding itself relegated to a secondary position in the current wish list of India’s arms procurement agenda, wants to use this ‘Pak-send’ opportunity as a warning to make New Delhi ‘redo’ its policy of gradually reducing Russian origin inventories in its arsenal by diversifying it with inventories from US, France, UK, Israel and Japan.

Russia is already upset with India over losing the fight in the race for the multi-billion defence deal, its biggest ever since independence, for acquiring the ‘best fit deal’ medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Russia was also one of the final contenders in the ambitious MMRCA deal, pitted against the EU, France and Sweden, but lost to France’s Rafael fighter jet, which is India’s final MMRCA choice. Russia has lost the deal in spite of using all its resources to lobby with New Delhi.

The loss of MMRCA deal to France has irked the Russian establishment, though India tried its best to persuade its all-weather ally. If that wasn’t enough, India’s decision to buy US armaments, like J-130 Super Hercules, Globemaster J-17, Pi-8 long range maritime reconnaissance jet etc have acted in the manner of rubbing salt on Russia’s wounded prestige over losing the MMRCA deal.

Moreover, India’s decision to buy US-made Apache fighter helicopters from Israel, negotiating for buying amphibious fighter aircraft from Japan – all these have been seen by Russia as India’s move to relegate Moscow from its earlier ‘first choice’ position to a ‘subordinating secondary’ position.

Hence, by announcing lifting of arms embargo on Pakistan, Russia wants to send a clear signal to India that if it can ‘redo’ its defence procurement policy, then Russia can also ‘rethink’ its global arms sale policy. A tit for tat!

Now, where does one proceed from this? Will Russia “really” resort to selling arms to Pakistan, setting aside India’s genuine security concerns?

Although Russia still thinks its ‘anti-Pakistan’ act during the 1971 India-Pakistan war, as a supporting war ally of India, is still cause of diplomatic embarrassment, but its move to sell Russian defence products to Pakistan is not a ‘new’ phenomenon, as is being led to believe by ‘misinformed’ opinions of some strategic pundits.

As Russia’s Ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin said, “We have supplied arms to Pakistan since early 1960s. This (lifting arms embargo’) was a sheer case of misreporting and over-reacting”.

Notably, Russia had supplied Pakistan with Mi-17 civilian aircraft in the past, and the ongoing talks for selling Mi-35 Hind or Mi-28 Havoc attack helicopters were only in the initial stage. Incidentally, two of Russia’s biggest arms export wings, state-run Rosoboronexport as well as Rostec, have denied any move to resume selling combat/offensive military hardware to Pakistan.

Re-emphasizing Russia’s long-standing strategic ties with India, Kadakin has said that Moscow will not do anything detrimental to its deep ties with New Delhi, as a partner by its side in fighting anti-terror campaigns. Ironically, it was Rostec’s CEO Sergey Chemezov who while on his visit to New Delhi in early June this year, gave an ‘impression’ that Russia has lifted its self-imposed embargo on arms sale to Pakistan, but later denied that such an embargo was ever in place.

Both India and Russia enjoy mutual trust in their long-standing strategic relations and both are all-weather allies. There is an unofficial agreement existing on both sides that neither India nor Russia will ever resort to such things that are mutually considered by both as sounding the death knell to their deep ties of strategic engagement. India’s move to diversify its defence arsenal is guided by sheer professionalism, and Russia is mature enough to understand this, as a global arms dealer.

Moreover, today over 75% of India’s military hardware across the three wings i.e. army, navy and air force, are of Russian origin, and thus India will always be dependent on Russian supply of spare parts for keeping them operational. Regular up-gradation of weaponry has been done with Russian cooperation.

Pushing indigenization fast forward, both India and Russia are jointly manufacturing multi-role military transport helicopters, the fifth generation stealth fighter jet (PAKFA or Sukhoi T-50), Kudankulum II nuclear reactor, various defence and space projects etc. At various international forums like UN, WTO etc Russia and India always stand in mutual support on issues concerning them both. While Russia vetoed many anti-India UN resolutions, India also strongly opposed many anti-Russia proposals at UN.

Hence, the bottom-line – besides a ‘jubilant’ Pakistan and its ‘misinformed’ think-tanks’ ‘irrational exuberance’ over ‘Russia’s proposed arms sale’, nothing much should be read into a move which is denied by Russian arms exporters and its ambassador to India.

At best, Russia can sell non-lethal civilian products to Pakistan, as it did in the past, but strictly not any lethal military hardware (like Mi-35, Mi-28) to India’s arch enemy, as a ‘disillusioned’ Pakistani military establishment has been made to believe. The move is nothing but Russia’s ‘diplomatic manoeuver’ to make the new Indian dispensation under Prime Minister Modi agree to ink more defence deals cum joint manufacturing agreements with Moscow in future. Thus ensuring its predominant ‘first priority’ position in India’s global defence procurement-cum joint manufacturing deals, forever.

A foolish Pakistan could not decipher this ‘diplomatic teaser’ from Russia but an intelligent India can, because it knows well that while dealing with any regime in New Delhi, Moscow will have no other choice but to be solely guided by a proverbial ‘Hobson’s Choice’ – not to do anything threatening India’s own security – or the age-old Indo-Russian ties will cease to exist for good. This is the ‘real truth’ regarding “Russia’s proposed arms sale to Pakistan”. All else is mere ‘true lies’!

This article also appeared at South Asia Monitor.

Thanks for posting this article @ RaptorRX707, but forget to highlight the last paragraph, let me high light you

can't hide the truth under negative rating kid

 

[Jayanta]

Russia’s Proposed Arms Sale To Pakistan: Deciphering ‘True Lies’ – Analysis

June 20 2014

June 20, 2014 Sourabh Jyoti Sharma 3 Comments
By Sourabh Jyoti Sharma


In early June this year, Russia decided to lift its self-imposed arms embargo on Pakistan. By this Russia has sent the signal that it is opening up to negotiate with Pakistan to resume supplying military hardware to it – a clear violation of its gentleman’s agreement with India not to supply any arms to its troublesome neighbour. Questions will surely be arising on the logic or factors behind this sudden U-turn on Russia’s part.

Why is Moscow suddenly warming up to Islamabad, forgetting its age-old friend New Delhi? Or is it just a ‘bargaining tool’ in Russia’s diplomatic somersault to nudge India, which in recent years has been acquiring its arsenals from non-Russian nations that rival it in global armament supplies, to change its current defence procurement policy that Moscow finds is becoming unfavourable to it.

Or does an ‘arms embargo on Pakistan’ by Russia even exist in the first place? Because there is neither any Russian official document nor even any diplomatic communiqué reaffirming its so-called “self-imposed policy” i.e. banning arms supply to Pakistan.

Without dwelling much on the past of the Cold War era Moscow-Islamabad ties, it can be said safely that truly there didn’t exist any ‘strategic’ aspect via-a-vis defence in that. This can’t be given the colour of New Delhi’s complex sensitivities involved in helping to arm its sworn enemy – a virtual taboo for the Muscovites even to think of.

Russia could at best say a customary “Hello’ to Pakistani mandarins stationed in its Moscow embassy. Shaking hands without shaking India’s reposed faith in Moscow that come what may its “true friend” will never allow India’s own external security to be put at risk by arming Pakistan, even if such defence deals seem more profitable than the ones with India.

On its part, Pakistan has already got a flourishing joint defence R&D with China, and through it Pakistan has been augmenting its arsenal, which include FC-20, AL-31F, JF-17 Thunder fighter planes, at par with others.

China, which is a master expert in ‘reverse engineering’ (copy cats) to re-produce the ‘duplicate or fake’ version of the same, has been acquiring Russian armaments like Sukhoi-27, Sukhoi-30, Mig-29 etc powered by the legendary RD-33 engine. And in turn its ‘reverse engineered’ ‘Made in China’ fighter planes are sold to Pakistan.

Russia has strongly protested against violation of intellectual property rights (IPR), patents etc by China with impunity and threatened to halt all agreed defence sales to Beijing, unless it mends its ‘duplication’ trickery in the name of just doing ‘reverse engineering’!

What China, in turn conveyed to Russia is not clear, but most certainly it has sent the message to Pakistan that Islamabad can no longer rely upon just China-made military hardware which is quite inferior to the Russian ones in terms of quality cum agility and scouted for other ‘reliable sources’ to be armed with.

This is the main reason why Islamabad is suddenly warming up to Moscow and why Moscow, finding itself relegated to a secondary position in the current wish list of India’s arms procurement agenda, wants to use this ‘Pak-send’ opportunity as a warning to make New Delhi ‘redo’ its policy of gradually reducing Russian origin inventories in its arsenal by diversifying it with inventories from US, France, UK, Israel and Japan.

Russia is already upset with India over losing the fight in the race for the multi-billion defence deal, its biggest ever since independence, for acquiring the ‘best fit deal’ medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Russia was also one of the final contenders in the ambitious MMRCA deal, pitted against the EU, France and Sweden, but lost to France’s Rafael fighter jet, which is India’s final MMRCA choice. Russia has lost the deal in spite of using all its resources to lobby with New Delhi.

The loss of MMRCA deal to France has irked the Russian establishment, though India tried its best to persuade its all-weather ally. If that wasn’t enough, India’s decision to buy US armaments, like J-130 Super Hercules, Globemaster J-17, Pi-8 long range maritime reconnaissance jet etc have acted in the manner of rubbing salt on Russia’s wounded prestige over losing the MMRCA deal.

Moreover, India’s decision to buy US-made Apache fighter helicopters from Israel, negotiating for buying amphibious fighter aircraft from Japan – all these have been seen by Russia as India’s move to relegate Moscow from its earlier ‘first choice’ position to a ‘subordinating secondary’ position.

Hence, by announcing lifting of arms embargo on Pakistan, Russia wants to send a clear signal to India that if it can ‘redo’ its defence procurement policy, then Russia can also ‘rethink’ its global arms sale policy. A tit for tat!

Now, where does one proceed from this? Will Russia “really” resort to selling arms to Pakistan, setting aside India’s genuine security concerns?

Although Russia still thinks its ‘anti-Pakistan’ act during the 1971 India-Pakistan war, as a supporting war ally of India, is still cause of diplomatic embarrassment, but its move to sell Russian defence products to Pakistan is not a ‘new’ phenomenon, as is being led to believe by ‘misinformed’ opinions of some strategic pundits.

As Russia’s Ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin said, “We have supplied arms to Pakistan since early 1960s. This (lifting arms embargo’) was a sheer case of misreporting and over-reacting”.

Notably, Russia had supplied Pakistan with Mi-17 civilian aircraft in the past, and the ongoing talks for selling Mi-35 Hind or Mi-28 Havoc attack helicopters were only in the initial stage. Incidentally, two of Russia’s biggest arms export wings, state-run Rosoboronexport as well as Rostec, have denied any move to resume selling combat/offensive military hardware to Pakistan.

Re-emphasizing Russia’s long-standing strategic ties with India, Kadakin has said that Moscow will not do anything detrimental to its deep ties with New Delhi, as a partner by its side in fighting anti-terror campaigns. Ironically, it was Rostec’s CEO Sergey Chemezov who while on his visit to New Delhi in early June this year, gave an ‘impression’ that Russia has lifted its self-imposed embargo on arms sale to Pakistan, but later denied that such an embargo was ever in place.

Both India and Russia enjoy mutual trust in their long-standing strategic relations and both are all-weather allies. There is an unofficial agreement existing on both sides that neither India nor Russia will ever resort to such things that are mutually considered by both as sounding the death knell to their deep ties of strategic engagement. India’s move to diversify its defence arsenal is guided by sheer professionalism, and Russia is mature enough to understand this, as a global arms dealer.

Moreover, today over 75% of India’s military hardware across the three wings i.e. army, navy and air force, are of Russian origin, and thus India will always be dependent on Russian supply of spare parts for keeping them operational. Regular up-gradation of weaponry has been done with Russian cooperation.

Pushing indigenization fast forward, both India and Russia are jointly manufacturing multi-role military transport helicopters, the fifth generation stealth fighter jet (PAKFA or Sukhoi T-50), Kudankulum II nuclear reactor, various defence and space projects etc. At various international forums like UN, WTO etc Russia and India always stand in mutual support on issues concerning them both. While Russia vetoed many anti-India UN resolutions, India also strongly opposed many anti-Russia proposals at UN.

Hence, the bottom-line – besides a ‘jubilant’ Pakistan and its ‘misinformed’ think-tanks’ ‘irrational exuberance’ over ‘Russia’s proposed arms sale’, nothing much should be read into a move which is denied by Russian arms exporters and its ambassador to India.

At best, Russia can sell non-lethal civilian products to Pakistan, as it did in the past, but strictly not any lethal military hardware (like Mi-35, Mi-28) to India’s arch enemy, as a ‘disillusioned’ Pakistani military establishment has been made to believe. The move is nothing but Russia’s ‘diplomatic manoeuver’ to make the new Indian dispensation under Prime Minister Modi agree to ink more defence deals cum joint manufacturing agreements with Moscow in future. Thus ensuring its predominant ‘first priority’ position in India’s global defence procurement-cum joint manufacturing deals, forever.

A foolish Pakistan could not decipher this ‘diplomatic teaser’ from Russia but an intelligent India can, because it knows well that while dealing with any regime in New Delhi, Moscow will have no other choice but to be solely guided by a proverbial ‘Hobson’s Choice’ – not to do anything threatening India’s own security – or the age-old Indo-Russian ties will cease to exist for good. This is the ‘real truth’ regarding “Russia’s proposed arms sale to Pakistan”. All else is mere ‘true lies’!

This article also appeared at South Asia Monitor.

Thanks for posting this article @ RaptorRX707, but forget to highlight the last paragraph, let me high light you

Rafael is not a fighter jet...neither is it French. Rafael is a Israel defence company specializing in missiles like Derby, Python-5, Spice...etc. http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/203-en/Marketing.aspx
The French fighter is Rafale..

 

[MilSpec]

You guys can't swallow facts against you, can you? There is no win for "Russia and India". Quit aligning yourself with the past. You guys pissed off the Russians way too many times and specifically on the Rafale deal when SU-30 and SU-35 were really good and affordable options. The "Russia and India" types of relationships are now a part of the past.

Welcome to national interests of Russia. Which are no longer gong to be inline for a weapons buyer with expiration age within the next ten years!

Dear sir,
the "rafale deal" also known as MMRCA, fielded Mig 35 (Modernized Mig29ovt) not the Su30 and Su35. Also not to forget India is the largest foreign operator of the Su30 MKI which is a highly customized version of SU30 which includes some of Su35 features. So much so that RuAF has ordered the same aircraft based on the Su30MKI.

Next I hope you realize that MMRCA is a 20 billion dollar order, and Russia already has 50+ Billion dollar order for Joint Production of PMF- FGFA, with another 200 billion in the spread of next ten years with second Nuclear Sub lease, Diesel Electric sub, Follow on to Talwar class frigates, Mig29K's, Mig29upg upgrades, Konkurs, Invar and kornet atgm's, MRTT, and brahmos along with the support for the recently procured A/c carrier.

So in your expert opinion, would you be abandoning a book order of 250 billion dollars to align yourself with potential sale of few million dollars. btw it's not just russia, the french are on the same boat too...

 

[Basel]

Ahem .. China doesnt like US presence, Russia has nothing to do with that

You Indian never study International Relations & History or you people just want to troll?? although US & China had rivalry since Korean war but they still have worked together specially in economic field and even in defense field prior to Tienanmen square incident, nations put their interest first and for that they can be friends with any one, no one is permanent enemy or friend in this world.