India preparing for nationwide NRC, but no-one should be worried, says Amit Shah

[bluesky]

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India preparing for nationwide NRC, but no-one should be worried, says Amit Shah


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Published: 22 Nov 2019 12:54 PM BdST Updated: 22 Nov 2019 12:54 PM BdST

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Indian Home Minister Amit Shah has announced that a citizen's list or National Register for Citizens (NRC) akin to the exercise in Assam will be carried out across the country.

But he asserted that 'no-one from any religion should be worried'.

Speaking in the Rajya Sabha, the minister said the NRC is 'just a process' to get everyone under the citizen's list on Wednesday, according to local media.

"The Assam exercise was carried out under a Supreme Court order. NRC will be carried out across the country, will be done in Assam again at the time, no one from any religion should be worried," Indian news channel NDTV quotes him as saying.

The Assam citizen's list, put out in August, left out 2 million, effectively rendering them 'stateless'.

Most of these people failed to produce adequate documents to prove their citizenship claims, according to officials. However, the government said they will not be declared illegal immediately as they have the option of appealing to Foreigners' Tribunals and subsequently approach the courts.

The Home Minister said people whose names did not appear on the NRC could approach tribunals and the Assam government will even provide financial help.

Earlier, Shah had said at a rally in Kolkata that the NRC was a matter of national security and 'no country can run smoothly under the weight of so many intruders'.

Accusing West Bengal's Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee of spreading lies about 'millions of Hindus' having to leave Bengal, he said, "I want to assure Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Buddhist and Christian refugees: you will not be forced to leave India by the government.

"Don't believe rumours. Before NRC, we will bring the Citizenship Amendment Bill, which will ensure these people get Indian citizenship."

 

[Chhatrapati]

This must be the nth thread on the topic. Why is it such a huge issue in BD?

 

[Nilu Pule]

Useless exercise. Since they won't deport Bangladeshi Muslims.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Useless exercise. Since they won't deport Bangladeshi Muslims.

Honestly I think this Bangla migration thing is just a beating stick. The biggest migrant threat to all of South Asia is Bhaiyyas [Hindu/Muslim]. The economic differance between Bangla and West Bengal is too small to articulate the numbers suggested. It flies against logic. Whilst no doubt there might have been some from pre 2005 but certainly since I refuse to accept this and regard this as a politcal footbal to be used like "threat from Islam" in Europe.

The biggest migrant threat to all of South Asia is Bhaiyyas [Hindu/Muslim].

They are everywhere, flooding Karachi, Indian Punjab and I even read that there was a wave of them even in Kashmir valley and left after the lockdown.

 

[bluesky]

This must be the nth thread on the topic. Why is it such a huge issue in BD?

It is the 9th time because your great India is doing that stupid NRC nine times. Now, India will find all Muslims are outsiders and should be expelled out of your great India.

 

[Chhatrapati]

It is the 9th time because your great India is doing that stupid NRC nine times. Now, India will find all Muslims are outsiders and should be expelled out of your great India.

Some wishful thinking. It's to weed out illegal migrants who now has fake ID's and whatnot.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

all Muslims

Not all Muslims. What would Bollywood do without our Peshwari kings? I think they are after low caste converts which also includes vast majority of Banglas. Not all Muslims are created equal, some are more equal then others.

 

[namefield_empty]

I think they are after low caste converts which also includes vast majority of Banglas.

Point well made, most of the present day impoverished East Bengal muslims are actually Indo Aryanised tribal converts of the Santhal offsprings of the Chota Nagpur and the surrounding regions. Well to do Bengalis(both Muslims and Hindus OTOH can be traced down to distinct lineages).

However, the process of NRC is non discriminatory in its inherent nature designed to identify illegal aliens irrespective of religion residing in the sovereign territory of Indian nation-state.

That most of those feared to be included in a pan India NRC are those lowly outcast muslims from Bangladesh tells us a lot about the pitiable conditions for them in their country-Bangladesh.

It is not that we Assamese or for that matter the Nagas or the Meiteis are in a much better condition than these pole vaulting Bangladeshis, but you will never see any one of us laying a foot on their Shonar Desh, unlike the lakhs of BDs who make it their aim in life to cross over to India at the very first opportunity.

Root cause of it is their population explosion and limited resources wrt land and all.

TFR of Assamese Hindus(us)- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Hindus- 1.5
TFR of Assamese Muslims- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Muslims- 2.7.. There we go..

Now the Bangladeshis here will tell us about how they have controlled their population in recent years and their economy is booming(despite fake BBS level thuggery). What they won't tell us is that it happened only after they sent a third of their population to live illegally in India.

The very purpose of NRC and what's coming next for them is to put an end to their honeymoon in India. We won't give a flying F to anyone having problems with it.

https://nenow.in/neighbour/bangladesh/train-with-61-bangladeshis-reach-kolkata.html
It was us Assamese first, nice to know that entire India has risen up together against the menace.

cc @bluesky , how have you been dear BD philosopher?

 

[Black_cats]

Point well made, most of the present day impoverished East Bengal muslims are actually Indo Aryanised tribal converts of the Santhal offsprings of the Chota Nagpur and the surrounding regions. Well to do Bengalis(both Muslims and Hindus OTOH can be traced down to distinct lineages).

However, the process of NRC is non discriminatory in its inherent nature designed to identify illegal aliens irrespective of religion residing in the sovereign territory of Indian nation-state.

That most of those feared to be included in a pan India NRC are those lowly outcast muslims from Bangladesh tells us a lot about the pitiable conditions for them in their country-Bangladesh.

It is not that we Assamese or for that matter the Nagas or the Meiteis are in a much better condition than these pole vaulting Bangladeshis, but you will never see any one of us laying a foot on their Shonar Desh, unlike the lakhs of BDs who make it their aim in life to cross over to India at the very first opportunity.

Root cause of it is their population explosion and limited resources wrt land and all.

TFR of Assamese Hindus(us)- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Hindus- 1.5
TFR of Assamese Muslims- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Muslims- 2.7.. There we go..

Now the Bangladeshis here will tell us about how they have controlled their population in recent years and their economy is booming(despite fake BBS level thuggery). What they won't tell us is that it happened only after they sent a third of their population to live illegally in India.

The very purpose of NRC and what's coming next for them is to put an end to their honeymoon in India. We won't give a flying F to anyone having problems with it.

https://nenow.in/neighbour/bangladesh/train-with-61-bangladeshis-reach-kolkata.html
It was us Assamese first, nice to know that entire India has risen up together against the menace.

cc @bluesky , how have you been dear BD philosopher?

Before posting your fantasy that one third of Bangladeshis which will be 6 cr even three times the sanghis propaganda machine says it has been pointed out to you number of times in all the census from 1951 to 2011 there are no trace of any abnormal increase of Muslim. In fact population growth of Assam is lower than India plus Christian and other tribals has higher population growth rate than Muslim.

Just would like to remind you Bangladeshi Muslim and Assamese Bengali Muslim are two different groups. Second thing we are talking about higher per capita GDP not by a fraction but almost double of Assam.


No sensible person will say any person will go to a region with half the living standard of his own country to be a labor, rickshaw puller or farmer to live an uncertain life.

Better accept facts Bengalis both Muslim and Hindus are already majority of Assam. In fact Muslim will be itself majority in next 3-4 decades.

Lastly NRC has proven all these illegal alien propaganda is fake as only 2-2.5 lakh will be considered aliens but after appealing to the court most will get back their citizenship.

A big fail of the Sanghi propaganda.

 

[bluesky]

Point well made, most of the present day impoverished East Bengal muslims are actually Indo Aryanised tribal converts of the Santhal offsprings of the Chota Nagpur and the surrounding regions. Well to do Bengalis(both Muslims and Hindus OTOH can be traced down to distinct lineages).

However, the process of NRC is non discriminatory in its inherent nature designed to identify illegal aliens irrespective of religion residing in the sovereign territory of Indian nation-state.

That most of those feared to be included in a pan India NRC are those lowly outcast muslims from Bangladesh tells us a lot about the pitiable conditions for them in their country-Bangladesh.

It is not that we Assamese or for that matter the Nagas or the Meiteis are in a much better condition than these pole vaulting Bangladeshis, but you will never see any one of us laying a foot on their Shonar Desh, unlike the lakhs of BDs who make it their aim in life to cross over to India at the very first opportunity.

Root cause of it is their population explosion and limited resources wrt land and all.

TFR of Assamese Hindus(us)- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Hindus- 1.5
TFR of Assamese Muslims- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Muslims- 2.7.. There we go..

Now the Bangladeshis here will tell us about how they have controlled their population in recent years and their economy is booming(despite fake BBS level thuggery). What they won't tell us is that it happened only after they sent a third of their population to live illegally in India.

The very purpose of NRC and what's coming next for them is to put an end to their honeymoon in India. We won't give a flying F to anyone having problems with it.

https://nenow.in/neighbour/bangladesh/train-with-61-bangladeshis-reach-kolkata.html
It was us Assamese first, nice to know that entire India has risen up together against the menace.

cc @bluesky , how have you been dear BD philosopher?

Read what our outgoing Ambassador told your nasty BJP govt and you are here proclaiming 6 crores of our people in that dustbin country called India, especially Assam. Not bad. Build a country like us and proclaim something funny, please!! By the way, Indian illegals in Bangladesh are sending $4 billion to your poor country. Will you take them back and provide jobs??

By the way, when the illegal Chinese-Assamese like you shall be expelled to Arunachal that will someday become a part of China? Someday, people will start, "Chini Khedao" movement.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...dia-says-outgoing-envoy.643560/#post-11902117

 

[Realtalk108]

The economic differance between Bangla and West Bengal is too small to articulate the numbers suggested.

It's not too small. WB is about twice richer than BD. And there are other Indian provinces which are richer than WB.

The biggest migrant threat to all of South Asia is Bhaiyyas

Poor Bhaiyyas lol.

9th time

Off topic but he said 'nth' time, not 9th. 'nth' here means so many times that you have given up counting and gone abstract - you know, 'n'.

TFR of Assamese Hindus(us)- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Hindus- 1.5
TFR of Assamese Muslims- 1.6
TFR of Bengali Muslims- 2.7.. There we go..

Gonna need a source on that. And hey, you got unbanned! Welcome back, welcome back!

Before posting your fantasy that one third of Bangladeshis which will be 6 cr even three times the sanghis propaganda machine says

I am going with 25 crore these days. Anytime a BJPcel blathers about 3 crore BDeshi, I agree and amplify. Not 3 crore, 25 crore!

Read what our outgoing Ambassador told your nasty BJP govt

The guy's good. "We will swim to Italy before going to your s**thole of a country!" I laughed.

 

[namefield_empty]

Gonna need a source on that. And hey, you got unbanned! Welcome back, welcome back!

The figures quoted above are applicable to Assam only, quoted from the Assam yearbook. There was a study undertaken by the researchers of a reputed institution of Assam that compiled the district wise TFR and other relevant indices in the state, the result of which is even more alarming and one that i had shared on this forum some months back.

Not for nothing are we unhappy with the NRC in its current form, mandatory sample re-verification(20 pc) will be undertaken from bordering districts apart from a push to include 1951 as the date for pan India NRC.

For the detractors of the process, NRC is not something set in stone, it will evolve with time as the law allows for it. We have to consider it as a base document that will safeguard the demography and the future of a fragile territory.

Without divulging further let me just tell you that all YOUR concerns will be taken care of. Also that, you are mistaken when you say that the Assamese hate Bengali Hindus more than the Miyas, those days are long gone. This is something we have to accomplish TOGETHER.

 

[Realtalk108]

The figures quoted above are applicable to Assam only, quoted from the Assam yearbook. There was a study undertaken by the researchers of a reputed institution of Assam that compiled the district wise TFR and other relevant indices in the state, the result of which is even more alarming and one that i had shared on this forum some months back.

Hmm judging by the population growth rate among the different groups the numbers do seem correct.

But this brings up another question. If TFR among Bengali Muslims is indeed that high then why can't that alone explain the higher population growth rate among them? No illegal immigration needed.

Not for nothing are we unhappy with the NRC in its current form, mandatory sample re-verification(20 pc) will be undertaken from bordering districts apart from a push to include 1951 as the date for pan India NRC.

For the detractors of the process, NRC is not something set in stone, it will evolve with time as the law allows for it. We have to consider it as a base document that will safeguard the demography and the future of a fragile territory.

Assam NRC, as things stand at this moment, has been thrown to the dustbin by BJP. If a countrywide NPR/NRC is taken again, they will likely make the cut-off date 1971 in the entire country. In any case I am not expecting BJP to risk countrywide NPR in this term. Because it will just as much of a failure as NRC. I really wish they follow through though. Some terrific opportunity for salt mining there.

Without divulging further let me just tell you that all YOUR concerns will be taken care of. Also that, you are mistaken when you say that the Assamese hate Bengali Hindus more than the Miyas, those days are long gone. This is something we have to accomplish TOGETHER.

Oh no you are mistaken. I am not concerned. I am excited actually. There are NE-wide anti-CAB demonstrations going on, like literally right now. Hindu Bongs wanted to throw Muslims under the bus. They deserve everything that is coming for them.

 

[namefield_empty]

But this brings up another question. If TFR among Bengali Muslims is indeed that high then why can't that alone explain the higher population growth rate among them? No illegal immigration needed.

The population explosion of the miyas did play a major part but that's not all. Miyas were brought in from Bangladesh(EP) by the INC even after they were sent packing by our then Assam CM. One can thank Nehru for that.. And that tradition continued throughout the 80s and beyond. Someone like me who has spent almost all the life here has witnessed the change first hand. Porous and riverine borders don't help either.

There are NE-wide anti-CAB demonstrations going on, like literally right now.

These are just token opposition, everyone in Assam knows these days where from the real threat emanates. Hindu Bengalis did try to impose themselves linguistically in the late 1800s but that's a long time ago, they didn't backstab us atleast like the despicable Miyas by pretending to be ours. Miyas on the other hand.... I think you know what went down in Goal para today, they are a national threat now and we better be in this fight together irrespective of our ethnicities.

 

[TopCat]

The population explosion of the miyas did play a major part but that's not all. Miyas were brought in from Bangladesh(EP) by the INC even after they were sent packing by our then Assam CM. One can thank Nehru for that.. And that tradition continued throughout the 80s and beyond. Someone like me who has spent almost all the life here has witnessed the change first hand. Porous and riverine borders don't help either.

So the cats out of the bag!!

These are just token opposition, everyone in Assam knows these days where from the real threat emanates. Hindu Bengalis did try to impose themselves linguistically in the late 1800s but that's a long time ago, they didn't backstab us atleast like the despicable Miyas by pretending to be ours. Miyas on the other hand.... I think you know what went down in Goal para today, they are a national threat now and we better be in this fight together irrespective of our ethnicities.

NRC was the last nail on the coffin for the Assamese.. You assamese overplayed yourself.
Lies never adds up.. the result of the NRC is the example of that.