India police charged with murder of 20 suspected sandalwood smugglers

[SitaramVillas]

@SitaramVillas
I am not denying the strong role of Church and Some Christian countries like Norway in this conflict...Even Indian RAW was accused in the making up of LTTE..Was Raw a Christian funded body??.Both of them including the political parties of Tamilnadu used eezham Tamils as 'Bali mirugam'...
Christians forms around 20-25% of total eezham Tamil population,majority were from backward karaiyar,paraiyar castes that mostly indulging in fishing,agriculture etc..So it was quite natural to see more Christians among LTTE gangs,who were mostly from fishermen and other backward groups...Mannar is the only district in Srilankan where Christians in absolute majority,that too Tamil speaking,so it was quite natural to see the strong influence of Church/Bishop in LTTE of that area..
Prabhakaran is a Hindu,his parents were cremated as per traditional Tamil hindu rituals...
As a Malayali,i am deeply happy with the end result..An eezham nation is always a worrying factor for its neighboring states specially Kerala(Eezham Tamils are anti Malayali to the crore)...

Prabhakaran is no Hindu. His parents may have been. RAW may have initially trained and helped LTTE, but the movement was hijacked by the church. I dare say even the fisherman issue is being goaded by the church considering all the fishermen involved there are Christians. Everywhere you see a keeda happening in India, Church has a big hand in it.

 

[vegav]

Thats why no one listens in Tamil Nadu and Kashmir when the center shouts against something. You dont care about us and we dont care about you, simple...

really?

are you serious?

Still i say, no one here supports India over Tamils and tamil sentiments, prove me wrong. Dont come with your theory that i have interacted with many tamils and i lived here, during the height of srilankan civil war students across tamil nadu hit the roads and protested, this is a fine example for what modern tamil youths think....If you speak tamil doesn't make you a tamil, most of the Malayalee's know tamil well.


You have the right to live in your dream...

please dude,thats a protest?

which students? arts college students,who ll end up as rowdies anyway.

Do you think for a fact, if Inida anounces Tamil Nadu will be separate from tomorrow, our people will get worried?... "Etho onnu boss, India la irunthu mattum enna kilichom, namakku thanni kooda evanum thara maatanuga" this will be the response from a common man..

I was taught to be an Indian at school, i came out of these misconceptions after i have grown. There were more than 500 tamil fishermen died for the srilankan bullets till now, what the govt had done till now? Sethu viluntha meenavan india meenavan endru karuthi ilangai raanuvathai kandithu irunthal angae india desiyam vaalnthirukum, sethu viluntha meenavanin elavukku kooda alaathu irunthathaal avan irantha idathil Tamil desiyam piranthu vittathu... ithil enna thavaru irukka mudiyum???


We will not go, and this govt or anyone had balls to come and move us out of our home land...

adhukku kaaranam yaaru bossu?

why are tamil fishermen dying? why do they cross the border? why do they do deep sea trawling?

He is a Christian with inherent hatred for Hinduism. So all the facts you presented will never sway him.

he is not a christian.

What do you expect the TN CM to do other than writing letters to PM? does TN CM has control over armed forces or any foreign policies? Unanimous resolution passed in the TN assembly urging the indian govt to vote against srilanka.. what's the response from the center?? what do you expect more from TN politicians to do above these?

Our five great epics may be studied by students who are taking tamil literature and doing Phd. . In short your question is, we are not concerned about Tamil literatures related to Hinduism and we speak proudly about tamil literature related to other religions like Islam, christianity ... This question was answered by karuna once(even though i hate him the most among TN politicians), No religion ever described me(tamil) as a shudra other than hinduism, thats why we mostly criticise hinduism, I don't find anything wrong with his answer.


Who is a christian? I am not bothered if some calls Jesus an *****.. stop your nonsense...

he is an isai vellalar,how did he become a shudra?

 

[vsdave2302]

How's killing smugglers a problem?

They are destroying national wealth, regardless of whatever state.

No they have killed many police man as well . remember Virrappan. They are very dangerous.

 

[vegav]

DMK coalition was 40 out 40 in 2004 elections not in 2009. They were reduced to half in the 2009 elections and were reduced to zero now.

Where? Which scripture? Which verse says Tamils are Shudras?[/QUOTE]
This question should be asked to Karuna, Seeman who told these in many stages. I haven't read those scripture. If you really know its wrong, accept their challenges and prove them wrong, enlighten the tamil youths who think the other way around.

If someone ready for a debate about shiva lingam and explain what it is really about, i will stop speaking against hinduism in stages. Seeman told these, but no one accepted his challenge, why? is it something wrong?[/QUOTE]

you think seeman is someone to be taken seriously? what was seeman doing so busy with filmmaking when he could have migrated to srilanka and fought for the LTTE.

The fact is just like islam,tamil language cant be the basis for a country and srilankan tamils are much more different than mainland tamils.

2G is not the main reason. He didn't plug the support of the center during the height of the srilankan war, for the bail of kanimozhi.


I am telling, if someone has evidence prove these guys wrong. I dont need to find evidence for caste discrimination in hinduism, the whole world knows it exists among hindus.

This is the video where seeman throws an open challenge, debate him. I want him to be proved wrong.

you are a maravar,why did the raja sethupathi not chop the heads of the brahmins who called you a shudra?

it is so hilarious because maravars are the most nationalistic amongst the kshatriya clans of india.

I know there are multiple interpretations. Mine is based on interpretations by Hindu scholars like Vivekananda and Sivananda as well as neutral Western scholars. Not the kinds of Ralph TH Griffith or the modern day version of Griffith, Wendy Doniger.

Anyway if I told him this on stage and slipper him, what will happen to me? You know about TN politics don't you? One cannot even talk to a ward councillor these days and you want me to slipper him?


You are neither a Hindu. However you were ready to air your misconceptions about Hinduism, weren't you?
My sincere advice to you is read and critically analyze everything. Do not believe in what Karuna says or Seeman says or even what I say to you on this forum. Neither just a cursory reading of google results will help you. Read arguments from all sides and not the side which you feel emotionally closer to alone. And for heaven's sake change that signature. I have very clearly explained to you on another thread why it's wrong. There are many reasons to feel proud as a Tamil. But do not feel proud over a false theory.

It pains my heart that the people of muthuramalinga thevar today look upto karuna/seeman.

He is a hardcore atheist,Or if all Christian born atheist are considered as Christians,then same for Hindu born atheists like periyar,karuna and vaiko...
Its almost same for LTTE supremo vellupillai prabhakaran,Many are falsely accused him as a Christian,These false theory was put forward by mainly TAMIL BRAHMIN elite groups Like chuppira swamy (anti dravidan to the crore) to create unnecessary tension among Tamil Hindu-Christian groups and to dilute their support for Srilankan LTTE and civil war...If you have any doubts,check prabhakaran's marriage ceremony(It was a pure Tamil hindu tradition) ..


I don't find any faults in your love for Srilankan Tamil brothers,but one thing..Srilankan Tamils are no.1 opportunists..They are using Indian Tamils Like you just for their temporary needs Like political support,money etc...
Do you know how an average eezham Tamil treating their fellow up country Tamils(Indian orgin Tamils living in kandy etc)??...They will never marry an Indian orgin srilankan Tamil,but they have no problem in marrying a Sinhalese..For them Indian Tamils Like you are inferior race...

prabhakaran's son is called charles antony and VP's dad is velu pillai.

do the math.

 

[Josef K]

It pains my heart that the people of muthuramalinga thevar today look upto karuna/seeman.

What made you conclude that he is from the "people of Muthurumalinga Thevar"? Because he calls himself Maravan? Maybe he is. Maybe not. But if it is any consolation to you, let me tell you that my parents as well as my in-laws, all belong to these "people of Muthurumalinga Thevar" as you say and I can say that most people of this clan as well as any other clan such as Nadars and Pillais, etc., from the southern districts are mostly ok. There are a few confused souls, I'll admit, but just like our poster here, they have hardly read anything of value about history and politics and are easily swayed by some "magical realism" sort of false history peddled by these Seeman types. This used to be done by the Dravidian leaders to appeal to the masses, who they knew will never look up if they were correct from neutral sources. Sadly even to this day, despite education, some still get deceived like the masses. As for Karuna, honestly I have never met a single person in real life, who ever addressed him in the respectful plural.

prabhakaran's son is called charles antony and VP's dad is velu pillai.

But actually that was because he named his firstborn after a friend of him who died during the early days of the LTTE. However Prabhakaran never allowed the families of the fallen Hindu cadres of LTTE to cremate them. He forced them to be buried in cemeteries with tombstones.

 

[vegav]

India pulled out of support to the LTTE,the moment they killed Rajiv but also that they conspired with DK/DMK to separate TN.

My dad is from Tirunelveli too,our village is there.I thought he was a maravan,because it is not a quality of maravars to be against hinduism or india.

 

[Maravan]

India pulled out of support to the LTTE,the moment they killed Rajiv but also that they conspired with DK/DMK to separate TN.

My dad is from Tirunelveli too,our village is there.I thought he was a maravan,because it is not a quality of maravars to be against hinduism or india.

I belong to kundayan kottai maravar sub division. The quality of a maravan is not to bend against oppression. Muthuramalinga thevar was a devotee of lord muruga, he is considered to be a tamil god. Yes Muthuramalinga thevar said, deshiyamum deiveegamum enathu iru kangal. That doesn't mean no other maravar cannot have their own view.

Where maravars are listed as kshatriyas? Can u show me any tamil caste(except brahmins) that is listed as not a shudra in hindu or brahminical verse? Tamils are classified as touchable shudras not as kshatriya or any one.

Muthuramalinga thevar believed in armed revolution and supported netaji firmly, he is not a man who just go and sit in non violence protest. The nationalism what muthuramalinga thevar told has gone long ago...

 

[mooppan]

Prabhakaran is no Hindu. His parents may have been. RAW may have initially trained and helped LTTE, but the movement was hijacked by the church. I dare say even the fisherman issue is being goaded by the church considering all the fishermen involved there are Christians. Everywhere you see a keeda happening in India, Church has a big hand in it.

These low caste recently converted ones are more dangerous,be it in Tamilnadu,Lanka or in NE India....It has to do more with their caste than religion....Sorry,Don't call me a castiest...
Tamil fishermen,specially from South Tamilnadu are predominantly Christians...Just go to Kanyakumari,Nellai,Tuticorin,Nagapattinam district,Majority coastal population belongs to Christian community..Even there are many coastal villages in South Tamilnadu,where 100% villagers are Christians,for eg-Muttom,Simon colony,jamespuram of Kanyakumari district...So its not uncommon to see more Christian fishermen and Church has every rights to voice their concern,just like VHP,Hindu aika vedi for Hindus...matte innodu mukhyavada vishaya..ee kongarige itara deshada sanskriti nudi mele yavude gaurava maryade illa..yaavagalu pakkada janara jothe kaalaga maadkondu irtaare...Tikka kobbu jaasti...avara huttu guna....

 

[my2cents]

It is national wealth. Anything in India is national wealth. Just like the coal mines of Jharkhand generate economy, jobs and power for a variety of state workers (not just biharis or UPites but also other states work forces), the sandalwoods of AP are as important to you, us, and every Indian.



They attacked the police.

Most TN politicians or any regions politicians are involved in such cases so that they can raise a 'discrimination' issue for their objective.

How can you just believe that these wood cutters would attack police? That too all 20 of them??

It looks more like fake encounter.

 

[Bang Galore]

How can you just believe that these wood cutters would attack police? That too all 20 of them??

It looks more like fake encounter.

I agree. Completely.

 

[Tshering22]

How can you just believe that these wood cutters would attack police? That too all 20 of them??

It looks more like fake encounter.

Can you prove it? By law?

Fake encounters are possible yes you're right. But to tell that police will waste their time killing random people is a bit too much.

Here's the thing; what were they doing in a Sandalwood jungle?

Sandalwood areas are not really like other jungles where one can freely roam. Due to their value and attached importance, it has certain government regulations that all must abide by.

Which means, even you and me are equally culpable when found inside the jungles without permission; last of all attacking questioning police officers for the same.

No they have killed many police man as well . remember Virrappan. They are very dangerous.

Exactly.

And sandalwood forests have government rules. Rules that all must abide by.

Regardless of a person's state origin, if a smuggler is smuggling national wealth be it sandalwood or gold, he or she is guilty of a crime.

 

[nForce]

I hate to say this but sometimes i think what a fvcked up peoples tamils are. They think they are some sort of special peoples who can murder, loot and do any shit to non tamils. Hell, they even want to release the killers of our prime minister since they are tamils. Last year, they want not to punish a person who raped and killed a malayali girl. Tamil sentiments, by foot..

The post is about Andhra and not Tamils

 

[my2cents]

Can you prove it? By law?

Fake encounters are possible yes you're right. But to tell that police will waste their time killing random people is a bit too much.

Here's the thing; what were they doing in a Sandalwood jungle?

Sandalwood areas are not really like other jungles where one can freely roam. Due to their value and attached importance, it has certain government regulations that all must abide by.

Which means, even you and me are equally culpable when found inside the jungles without permission; last of all attacking questioning police officers for the same.



Exactly.

And sandalwood forests have government rules. Rules that all must abide by.

Regardless of a person's state origin, if a smuggler is smuggling national wealth be it sandalwood or gold, he or she is guilty of a crime.

You may want to assume the worst when it comes to police brutality. When it comes to common man or criminal they tend to throw the rule of law out the window. Even if they are smugglers and are caught in the act, they are assumed innocent until they are proven guilty by courts.

From the newspaper reports it looks like they rounded them up at one place and then shot and as an after thought, then dragged the dead bodies to different locations to cover up their crime.

Anyway lets wait for the inquiry into the attack and we will know what actually happened?