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India and Pakistan came dangerously close to a nuclear confrontation on at least five occasions in the past 20 years, according to a visiting Pakistani nuclear physicist, defence analyst and editor of a new book “Confronting the Bomb: Indian and Pakistani Scientists Speak Out.”

In an exclusive interview with The Tribune, Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy said the most serious confrontation was at the time of the 1999 Kargil war when Pakistan launched a covert operation hoping that its soldiers would ascend the mountains and cut India’s supply routes. Tensions were high and nuclear weapons were readied for use.

“According to Bruce Ridel, former Special Adviser to the US President who was present when President Bill Clinton met Nawaz Sharif in the White House, Nawaz replied in the negative when Clinton asked him if he knew what his army was doing.”

Other occasions

Hoodbhoy said the first of the nuclear dramas started more than a decade earlier – during Operation Brass Tacks in 1987 – just when Pakistan acquired the bomb and sent a message to India: Don’t get closer.

“General Sundarji was in charge on the Indian side. He was a man who was gung ho about putting Pakistan in its right place. Here was a man who was terribly in love with nuclear weapons and used to say India doesn’t need more than five nuclear weapons – for Karachi, Quetta, Lahore, Peshawar and Islamabad.”

Hoodbhoy said when tensions peaked over Kashmir in 1990 and there was an exodus of Kashmiri refugees into Pakistan, Islamabad again moved its nuclear weapons from Kahuta to the Chaklala air force base on to F16s. “That’s when the Americans are said to have known about it and conveyed a message to the Indians to back off.”

In 2002, soon after the attack on India’s Parliament by Jaish-e-Mohammed, New Delhi invoked Operation Parakaram to “stare down” Pakistan. “Pakistan warned India by saying, “We’ve got nukes.”

Had India crossed the international border, it would have been confronted by a nuclear holocaust. Of course, Pakistan would have had to face one too.

“In 2008 at the time of the attacks in Mumbai, there were voices that said that it was the time to ready nuclear weapons. I was in a TV studio with General Hamid Nawaz.

“When the anchor asked what should be done if India attacked, General Nawaz replied: Let’s nuke them before they get too close to us.”


Safe-keepers of Pak weapons

Hoodbhoy said he himself was against nuclear weapons. “I want both countries to get rid of nukes. I want them to shake hands and embrace each other. India and Pakistan are cultural cousins. Let’s not let the Arabs divide us.”

He added that current concerns within Pakistan about the future safety and security of the country’s nuclear arsenal stem from worries about what would happen if Islamic extremists, or jihadists, got their hands on nuclear weapons.

“They believe the Government of Pakistan has to be destroyed for Islamic order to take over. So there is no limit to this madness. Even the Pakistan army which had as its recruiting slogan – Jihad in the name of God – today has had to distance itself from the jihadis.

“If a nuclear weapon gets stolen…if fissile material is stolen…that could have catastrophic consequences. A stolen nuclear weapon could be detonated in principle anywhere in the world and the most likely would be either a city in India or a city in Pakistan. You might ask why in Pakistan? Its beyond comprehension. But then, also beyond comprehension is why a Muslim would blow himself up in a mosque (in Pakistan).”

Currently, the custodian of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons is the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) of the Pakistan army which is made up of 12,000-15,000 soldiers headed by General Khalid Kidwai.

The SPD claims to have complete control over weapons by virtue of installing electronic locks, enhancing perimeter protection and having a Personnel Reliability Programme (PRP).

“Electronic locks are things that are installed and require keys. The keys are similar to how you protect your email and computer from predators,” explained Hoodbhoy.

“Permissive Actions Links, known as PALS, are devices that enable the nuclear weapon to explode if and when desired and only when they pass through strict environmental tests – environmental meaning that certain conditions have to be fulfilled. For example, if it is a bomb to be dropped from an aircraft, then it’ll experience zero gravity for a while…or if it is a bomb installed for a missile, then that missile has to experience acceleration and so forth.”

He said one of the key features of the safety programme was the institution of the Personnel Reliability Programme, devised with the help and funding of the US.

“That entails asking prospective employees, which means soldiers and others involved with nuclear weapons, to pass a battery of tests.

“To the extent that I know, they ask individuals about their religious affiliations. Of course, all of them are Muslim, but do they belong to the Wahabi sect, the Deobandhi, to this or that Sufi sect? And who are their friends? Who are the people they work with? All that goes into forming the PRP.

“What’s plainly dangerous is that if Pakistan continues to radicalise – at this rate – things might get out of the army’s control. So paradoxically, a strong Pakistan army is probably a better guarantor of stability than a Pakistani state that disintegrates. And India should recognise that.

“Even though the Indian and Pakistani armies are at loggerheads over a number of issues, the Pakistan army is necessary for India’s continued survival.”

India, Pak came close to N-confrontation 5 times | idrw.org
 
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So basically every time we came to confrontation we came to nuclear confrontation...

More jobless writers coming up with their bakwas theories.

Obviously when nuclear weapons exist between the two belligerents in any war, they are always on the table. Which is why I always laugh at the notion of "NFU policy". Here we see that since 1990, the Indian General was talking about nuking "Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar, Quetta and Islamabad"...
 
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In 2002, soon after the attack on India’s Parliament by Jaish-e-Mohammed, New Delhi invoked Operation Parakaram to “stare down” Pakistan. “Pakistan warned India by saying, “We’ve got nukes.”


:rofl::rofl:
 
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India has no first use policy, and Pakistan can't afford to launch Nuke..


So there is no case of Nuclear war. Sleep calm..
 
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What bakwas and Hoodbhoy for God sake, he is another Asma jahangir. Both of these should be declared traitors but then we have Zardari as our president, can anyone be any bigger of a traitor to his country then him:angry:
 
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India and Pakistan came dangerously close to a nuclear confrontation on at least five occasions in the past 20 years, according to a visiting Pakistani nuclear physicist, defence analyst and editor of a new book “Confronting the Bomb: Indian and Pakistani Scientists Speak Out.”

In an exclusive interview with The Tribune, Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy said the most serious confrontation was at the time of the 1999 Kargil war when Pakistan launched a covert operation hoping that its soldiers would ascend the mountains and cut India’s supply routes. Tensions were high and nuclear weapons were readied for use.

“According to Bruce Ridel, former Special Adviser to the US President who was present when President Bill Clinton met Nawaz Sharif in the White House, Nawaz replied in the negative when Clinton asked him if he knew what his army was doing.”

Other occasions

Hoodbhoy said the first of the nuclear dramas started more than a decade earlier – during Operation Brass Tacks in 1987 – just when Pakistan acquired the bomb and sent a message to India: Don’t get closer.

“General Sundarji was in charge on the Indian side. He was a man who was gung ho about putting Pakistan in its right place. Here was a man who was terribly in love with nuclear weapons and used to say India doesn’t need more than five nuclear weapons – for Karachi, Quetta, Lahore, Peshawar and Islamabad.”

Hoodbhoy said when tensions peaked over Kashmir in 1990 and there was an exodus of Kashmiri refugees into Pakistan, Islamabad again moved its nuclear weapons from Kahuta to the Chaklala air force base on to F16s. “That’s when the Americans are said to have known about it and conveyed a message to the Indians to back off.”

In 2002, soon after the attack on India’s Parliament by Jaish-e-Mohammed, New Delhi invoked Operation Parakaram to “stare down” Pakistan. “Pakistan warned India by saying, “We’ve got nukes.”

Had India crossed the international border, it would have been confronted by a nuclear holocaust. Of course, Pakistan would have had to face one too.

“In 2008 at the time of the attacks in Mumbai, there were voices that said that it was the time to ready nuclear weapons. I was in a TV studio with General Hamid Nawaz.

“When the anchor asked what should be done if India attacked, General Nawaz replied: Let’s nuke them before they get too close to us.”


Safe-keepers of Pak weapons

Hoodbhoy said he himself was against nuclear weapons. “I want both countries to get rid of nukes. I want them to shake hands and embrace each other. India and Pakistan are cultural cousins. Let’s not let the Arabs divide us.”

He added that current concerns within Pakistan about the future safety and security of the country’s nuclear arsenal stem from worries about what would happen if Islamic extremists, or jihadists, got their hands on nuclear weapons.

“They believe the Government of Pakistan has to be destroyed for Islamic order to take over. So there is no limit to this madness. Even the Pakistan army which had as its recruiting slogan – Jihad in the name of God – today has had to distance itself from the jihadis.

“If a nuclear weapon gets stolen…if fissile material is stolen…that could have catastrophic consequences. A stolen nuclear weapon could be detonated in principle anywhere in the world and the most likely would be either a city in India or a city in Pakistan. You might ask why in Pakistan? Its beyond comprehension. But then, also beyond comprehension is why a Muslim would blow himself up in a mosque (in Pakistan).”

Currently, the custodian of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons is the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) of the Pakistan army which is made up of 12,000-15,000 soldiers headed by General Khalid Kidwai.

The SPD claims to have complete control over weapons by virtue of installing electronic locks, enhancing perimeter protection and having a Personnel Reliability Programme (PRP).

“Electronic locks are things that are installed and require keys. The keys are similar to how you protect your email and computer from predators,” explained Hoodbhoy.

“Permissive Actions Links, known as PALS, are devices that enable the nuclear weapon to explode if and when desired and only when they pass through strict environmental tests – environmental meaning that certain conditions have to be fulfilled. For example, if it is a bomb to be dropped from an aircraft, then it’ll experience zero gravity for a while…or if it is a bomb installed for a missile, then that missile has to experience acceleration and so forth.”

He said one of the key features of the safety programme was the institution of the Personnel Reliability Programme, devised with the help and funding of the US.

“That entails asking prospective employees, which means soldiers and others involved with nuclear weapons, to pass a battery of tests.

“To the extent that I know, they ask individuals about their religious affiliations. Of course, all of them are Muslim, but do they belong to the Wahabi sect, the Deobandhi, to this or that Sufi sect? And who are their friends? Who are the people they work with? All that goes into forming the PRP.

“What’s plainly dangerous is that if Pakistan continues to radicalise – at this rate – things might get out of the army’s control. So paradoxically, a strong Pakistan army is probably a better guarantor of stability than a Pakistani state that disintegrates. And India should recognise that.

“Even though the Indian and Pakistani armies are at loggerheads over a number of issues, the Pakistan army is necessary for India’s continued survival.”

India, Pak came close to N-confrontation 5 times | idrw.org

WOW Indians love for the great jerk in Pakistan Pervaiz Hoodbhoy never goes away and here comes another piece of **** which includes his thoughts :rofl:
 
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The article is a joke....... and i cant see any fact in it.....The way pak talks about nukes...... I wonder those guys realise india also have something similar to that.... which is also called a NUKE!!!!!!! (What makes the writers believe that india wont use nuclear weapon...... May be based on the unilateral No first use policy..... But how long it takes to reverse it????????????????) Have anyone thought of it...... I hate war...... and i love peace with pakistan..... But to put a question forward to pakistani friends...


Have you ever thought a scenario of nuking pakistan first in response to something like 26/11 ( I know this is too hypothetical (and stupid)... and india is tooo matured nation to talk about nukes.... but jut to put a thought)
 
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Pervez Hoodbhoy

he is a tabloid writer..Nothing written by him can be takes to seriously....
 
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1 more writer. Can not they spend time in writing something good.
 
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@KRAIT @Safriz @Capt.Popeye> please take a look at bolded part. can you give detailed information on that?

YES and NO.
"Close to N-Confrontation ?".
How close is close? There are different levels of READINESS. So it goes without saying; that when tensions arise between the two countries, some risk assessment immediately gets initiated. On the basis of that, some measures are put into place. To that extent, Hoodbhoy is correct. There are SOPs in place for that. But does that mean that some human finger then immediately rests next to a "red button"?

Kargil was undoubtedly a time when some of that process that I outlined above took place. But to which level? That is still unknown and will remain so. For obvious reasons.
Of course Musharraff the Cowboy and his minions made some 'noises' through unattributed statements that a nuclear war coud happen. But that was made when India progressively escalated its Military Actions regardless. And continued to do so. Just like in a game of Poker; the stakes were being raised, till the call came and eveybody knows "who folded".
Of course in the light of the disclosure recently regarding the disability of the NK supplied Nodong missiles in Pakistan's arsenal; it is clear how much (or little) Musharraff could raise the stakes. Actually Musharraff's visit to Beijing then is related to this matter and China's response is even more interesting!

So it is amusing that Musharraff came out with statements that Pakistan could nuke India in 8 minutes or something like that.
It is not for nothing that India has declared a "No First Use" (NFU) Policy with respect to the use of Nukes!

So the question again; how "close was close ?"
 
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Hoodbhoy is more concerned with authorized misuse of nuclear weapons, not about them getting stolen by ragtag Talibans. The guy has a point, however lame it might be.

Here is the technically important part regarding nuclear weapons safety:

“Permissive Actions Links, known as PALS, are devices that enable the nuclear weapon to explode if and when desired and only when they pass through strict environmental tests – environmental meaning that certain conditions have to be fulfilled. For example, if it is a bomb to be dropped from an aircraft, then it’ll experience zero gravity for a while…or if it is a bomb installed for a missile, then that missile has to experience acceleration and so forth.”

As far as the confrontation part is concerned:

1. 1987- Mere verbal threat. Pakistan had no deliverable nuclear weapons at that time.
2. 1990- Nothing was THAT serious IMO.
3. 1999- Pakistan had deliverable nuclear weapons, but unreliable and less survivable delivery systems. Again, more verbal threats.
4. 2002- Likely possible.
5. 2008- Pakistan did start considering preparation.
 
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Seriously, what's the indian nuclear threshold ? how much land occupied by aggressor would amount to a nuclear strike from India? keeping NFU BS aside?
 
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Seriously, what's the indian nuclear threshold ? how much land occupied by aggressor would amount to a nuclear strike from India? keeping NFU BS aside?

Officially it seems only a nuclear strike from an opponent would revoke a nuclear response by India.
So thats the threshold :P
 
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Seriously, what's the indian nuclear threshold ? how much land occupied by aggressor would amount to a nuclear strike from India? keeping NFU BS aside?

There is no NFU BS whatever you may "want to believe". There is no "land criterion" for the reason that it is BS for a Strong Conventional Army. Which is also the reason why China also has a "No First Strike" Policy.
Strong Armies are not driven by insecurity.

So it is finally "No First Strike" Policy; however when an Adversary uses a Nuke (even a tactical nuke); the India will just retaliate with Nukes.

So there is a reason for India's NFU Policy!

Officially it seems only a nuclear strike from an opponent would revoke a nuclear response by India.
So thats the threshold :P

Yes, of course.
Now you are welcome to test it! ;)
 
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