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One is a distinguished retired army officer and another is an outstanding journalist. Both are serious, sharp and studious. They have written a book together which is one of the most wanted titles for world of Indian defence. India's Special forces; History and future of India's special forces written by Lieutenant General P C Katoch and journalist Saikat Dutta educates, informs and paves the way for intelligent debate.

Gen Katoch was a special forces officer making him fit to write on highly important subject. He commanded an independent commando company in the north-east, a special forces unit in Sri Lanka, a brigade on the Siachen Glacier, a division in Jammu and Kashmir and a strike corps in the south western theatre, too.

He continues writing after the retirement as well. He is presently writing a book on 'Indian Army and Net-centricity'. Co-author Saikat Dutta is currently the resident editor of DNA newspaper, New Delhi.

Dutta is an investigative journalist with a zeal which is a rare these days in the Indian media and has won many journalistic awards. The subject of "special forces of the Indian army" is close to his heart.

He is studying the subject since last 18 years and has exclusively researched it. He has conducted an annual training workshop for Force One, the commando force raised by the Mumbai Police after 26/11 attacks.

Both the writers chatted with rediff.com's Sheela Bhatt in an e-mail interview. Here's the first of the two-part series.

What's the main premise of the book? What are the significant issues discussed in it? Can you shed light on the distinct identity of such forces if compared to the normal battalions?

Gen Katoch: The main premise is that India has failed to strategically employ its considerable number of special forces especially in creating deterrence against the asymmetric war unleashed upon us by both Pakistan and China since past several years, and that we need to right this urgently.

The significant issues discussed are creation and employment of special forces in India, their existing set up and status, employment of foreign special forces, why India needs special forces, discussion on doctrinal and conceptual issues, and recommendations for the future including organisation, tasking and the like.

Special forces are not only differently organised, manned, equipped, trained and employed compared to normal infantry battalions, special forces should primarily be tasked strategically.

Analyst Stephen P Cohen aptly described the task of special forces in his book The Idea of Pakistan as, "The proxy application of force at low and precisely calculated levels, the objective being to achieve some political effect, not a battlefield victory".

There is considerable confusion in India (including some created deliberately by vested interests within the military) as to who the special forces are. In effect, they are the military special forces, the special action groups of the National Security Guard and the special action groups of the Special Frontier Force albeit India has failed to employ these forces strategically, as the case should be.

Dutta: The book was written primarily with the aim to record the history and the facts on the evolution of the special forces in India. Currently there isn't any book available on Indian special forces and this dearth of literature, in our view as detrimental to the future evolution and growth of India's special forces.

The era of conventional wars in almost over in the Indian context. In such a scenario, special forces could play a decisive strategic role in the spectrum of conflict.

We recognised that this was not being understood in the military and the political hierarchy. Our attempt is to ensure that we put out a sound case that is rooted in history and also sources authentic material to substantiate what we say.

It is also an attempt to correct the misperceptions and the misconceptions about the special forces and their roles that currently haunt our security mandarins and politico-military leadership.

Saikat had once written that, "The evolution of special forces in India continues to be a painful and muddled process". Can you explain what do you say so?

Gen Katoch: When the first Indo-US Defence Planning Group meeting was held in New Delhi post 9/11, the Americans were flabbergasted to learn two facts: first, that our ministry of defence had no military personnel on deputation or on permanent absorption; second, that our parachute (special forces) battalions and parachute battalions are grouped in the same parachute regiment.

When the initial two special forces Battalions (9 and 10 Para Commando) were raised, strengths being small they were put in the parachute regiment.

The fact is that a parachute battalion is an infantry battalion that can be delivered by air and once para-dropped, it performs its infantry role. In April 2002, Lt Gen R K Nanavatty, then northern army commander (who had served as commander, HQ special forces including as part of IPKF in Sri Lanka) had stated, "I find the vision blurring in certain quarters on the issue of parachute and parachute (special forces) battalions. I am very clear that a parachute battalion is simply an infantry battalion in an airborne role and has nothing in common with a special forces battalion.

Also, the special forces is not a game of numbers and I for one am against their expansion of any sort. Our special forces in their present state are comparable only to the rangers of the US. We must consolidate and modernise our existing special forces resources.

As regards the parachute brigade, I view them as a rapid reaction force to be used within and outside the country".

Unfortunately, the parachute regiment mostly had colonels of the regiment who had not served or commanded special forces units/sub units and their sole aim was to convert more and more parachute units to special forces, undermining the growth of special forces and stunting the special forces concept.

We have gone for unprecedented special forces expansion ignoring the universally accepted four special forces truths: one, humans are more important than hardware; two, quality is better than quantity; three, special forces cannot be mass produced; four, competent special forces cannot be created after emergencies arise. We have faulted in the unprecedented expansion of the NSG as well.

During the tenure of General B C Joshi as the chief of the army staff, a special forces regiment was formed in the army with due government sanction and the then three special forces battalions were renamed 1 Special Forces, 9 Special Forces and 10 Special Forces, also with due government sanction.

A HQ special forces, plus a special forces training wing were raised and the commando cell in military operations was elevated to be headed by a brigadier-level officer. Ironically, Gen Joshi died in harness and his successor, Gen Shankar Roychowdhury disbanded the special forces regiment.

Dutta: Today, in just numbers, we have more fighting men who are called special forces than all the fighting men and women troops under the United States special operations command. But in terms of quality, reach, capabilities we are far, far behind them.

So what is the use of having large numbers when they are reduced to playing the role of a super-infantry at best. This is an extremely sad state of affairs because special forces, by nature, are small, need intensive investments to develop special skills which cannot be mass produced.

Instead of recognising this basic fact, we have ended up aimlessly expanding our numbers despite our severe resource crunch at the cost of quality. This has severely affected the quality and capability of our special forces.

On the balance, has India's special forces been successful?

Gen Katoch: Let me put it this way, they have been successful within the constraints of their employment albeit they have hardly been employed as how special forces should actually be -- strategically.

They have been mostly used for counter insurgency within India, where their record has been very good but these are tasks which can also be performed by infantry and troops of other units like the Rashtriya Rifles and the Assam Rifles.

While special forces should be central to asymmetric response including against irregular forces, asymmetric warfare does not automatically equate to a physical attack. A physical attack is only the extreme and potentially most dangerous expression of asymmetric warfare. The key lies in achieving strategic objectives through application of modest resources with the essential psychological element.

In its history which action of SF will you term as glorious? Can you narrate it please?

Gen Katoch: Through the book, you can discern that the best of actions have been in counter insurgency operations (that is what I call within constraints of their employment). They also accredited themselves very well in Sri Lanka as part of the IPKF as LTTE intercepts indicated these were the troops that the LTTE feared most.

Dutta: As Gen Katoch rightly says within the constraints the Indian special forces have done a wonderful job. If we see the gallantry medals given to the three original special forces units (1, 9, 10) we will see that the high number of medals speaks volumes about the quality of the men who serve in these three elite units.

But special forces are meant to perform strategic tasks. That is the reason countries have special forces. However, a shy politico-military leadership has trapped themselves into a vicious cycle. They have always viewed and employed the special forces in very narrow, tactical terms. As a result they have never bothered to arm, equip or task them for the strategic interests that special forces are supposed to achieve.

For instance, the only military officer who sits with the cabinet's crisis management group in the United Kingdom is the director, special forces, a major general officer who has served with the elite SAS in his career. That is the importance mature democracies and governments accord the special forces.

In India, there is no recognition of the role, capabilities and therefore, requirements of the special forces by both -- the military and the political leadership.

When did the Indian Special forces fail miserably? Can you give us the background under which they lost out?

Gen Katoch: Analysis proves that failures have occurred when the hierarchy/higher commanders fail to understand what special forces are about, and ironically fail to listen to special forces advice.

Even if one is stupid enough to task them wrongly, you have to leave the execution to them -- not compound the stupidity of ordering them 'how' to execute the task. Besides, you cannot task special forces on zero intelligence.

Reading the book, you can examine yourself why the helicopter borne raid in Jaffna University area during the IPKF operations, why frontal assaults were ordered during Operation Vijay and Operation Blue Star and what the consequences were.

No one was taken to task why such frontal assaults were ordered in the first place when special forces do not have such fire power and manpower, and in one case even barred from carrying what fire power they had, leading to excessive avoidable casualties and the commanding officer telling the media subsequently, "They were sent in with their hands tied behind their back".

The NSG task force enroute to 26/11 was told by the DG NSG enroute that he wanted the terrorists alive -- alive when they are firing AKs and the NSG boys didn't even have corner shots? Post the US Special forces raid to kill Osama-bin-Laden, I was asked during a TV debate whether our special forces can execute such a task. My response was that if we could put down two helicopters similarly in Osama's compound, no reason why our boys cannot do it but the question is does India has such capacity and is doing anything to achieve such capability -- the answer is a big fat no!

Dutta: In the book we have recorded how special forces were repeatedly misused -- be it Sri Lanka or the Kargil War. Under 8 Mountain Division, one elite SF unit was sent on a mission when they did not even have the ropes to tackle the heights. They were not allowed to enter Pakistani-occupied territory when special forces are meant to go behind enemy lines!

Special forces units are much smaller than a conventional infantry unit and since they work in small teams they don't carry any heavy guns or firepower. Despite that, they were thrown into frontal assaults like conventional infantry battalions leading to several failures. This was a criminal misuse of special forces and left them high and dry.

'India must use special forces better against Pak, China' - Rediff.com News
 
Dutta: In the book we have recorded how special forces were repeatedly misused -- be it Sri Lanka or the Kargil War. Under 8 Mountain Division, one elite SF unit was sent on a mission when they did not even have the ropes to tackle the heights. They were not allowed to enter Pakistani-occupied territory when special forces are meant to go behind enemy lines!

Clearly this shows we have idiots who have no clue how to run a country.
 
Indian Army and politicians are still living in the Black and White world.I remember about Operation Blue Star,SF didn't have orders to fire towards Golden Temple and Akal takth where militants were hiding and Machine gun emplacements were in place.thats why the first wave had highest casualty,over 80%.those Machine Gun nests were only cleared when Tanks entered into Golden Temple.If they had the orders to fire HE rounds like rocket launchers,it'd be lot easier and so many lives would be saved(don't want to hurt sikh community).same goes for other ops too..they must understand that reality is neither Black or White,its Gray.I'm not saying use special forces like Israel did in the past,like massacring of palistanian camps in various countries against a terrorist attack in Israel.but at least bend certain boundaries so that both mission goes easier and effectively.

anmd most important part is modernization..we lacks in this sector.we've to modernize elite divisions of IA and NSG at least and as fast as possible.
 
We are already modernizing our SF... have you been sleeping for the past two years?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/43257-indian-special-forces-135.html

nope..i know that..corner shot guns and all..but yet,we are lagging in various sectors like various digital equipments and most important,several of this inductions are facing long delays..and not to mention India's plan to disperse its Special soldiers into various parts of India is also facing several hurdles..we are getting hi fi equipments,yes.but thats still inadequate.even after 5 years,the plan to modify Black Cat into "Future black cat" is still stuck,no improvement yet been made.there is also no news of Wall mounted radars and various equipments were declared as "Sub Standard" and lying as junk,while others are still waiting to be procured..read this..

India’s Special Operations Capability » Indian Defence Review
 
I think we are modernizing our SF and i am surprised at the pace it has been done post 26/11.There is also the news of SOCOM being formed and it will be headed by a SF officer of General rank so i would say we are on track.The only thing on which i would agree is the use of SF.In the past they have been used as super infantry and i hope after the formation of SOCOM things improve.
 
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Under 8 Mountain Division, one elite SF unit was sent on a mission when they did not even have the ropes to tackle the heights. They were not allowed to enter Pakistani-occupied territory when special forces are meant to go behind enemy lines!
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My PoV... This was more due to India's decision not to enter Pakistani territories.
 
Not only SF but we are modernizing our para-military too that is on a fast pace.... CISF, BSF (confirmed)



Yea but when we keep on giving Z security which waste our precious resources for ppl who can claerly afford it, it makes no sense. We have idiots placed in positions that have no business being there. They are clearly incompetent
 
Dutta: In the book we have recorded how special forces were repeatedly misused -- be it Sri Lanka or the Kargil War. Under 8 Mountain Division, one elite SF unit was sent on a mission when they did not even have the ropes to tackle the heights. They were not allowed to enter Pakistani-occupied territory when special forces are meant to go behind enemy lines!
Clearly this shows we have idiots who have no clue how to run a country.




There is a reason why they are not allowed to go into Pakistani Territory because that kind of activity turns into a ONE WAY TRIP for the so-called " Special Forces " of Indian Army.:D
 
The time is now for special forces and border control. If both countries can beef it up, most of the conflicts will be resolved... or in India/Pakistan's case, slow down.
 
:omghaha: another day in India, wanting to destroy Pakistan.
 
I will give you a piece of advice.

Dont provoke chinese special forces.:azn:
 
India must use special forces better against Pak, China


One is a distinguished retired army officer and another is an outstanding journalist. Both are serious, sharp and studious. They have written a book together which is one of the most wanted titles for world of Indian defence. India's Special forces; History and future of India's special forces written by Lieutenant General P C Katoch and journalist Saikat Dutta educates, informs and paves the way for intelligent debate.

Gen Katoch was a special forces officer making him fit to write on highly important subject. He commanded an independent commando company in the north-east, a special forces unit in Sri Lanka, a brigade on the Siachen Glacier, a division in Jammu and Kashmir and a strike corps in the south western theatre, too.

He continues writing after the retirement as well. He is presently writing a book on 'Indian Army and Net-centricity'. Co-author Saikat Dutta is currently the resident editor of DNA newspaper, New Delhi.

Dutta is an investigative journalist with a zeal which is a rare these days in the Indian media and has won many journalistic awards. The subject of "special forces of the Indian army" is close to his heart.

He is studying the subject since last 18 years and has exclusively researched it. He has conducted an annual training workshop for Force One, the commando force raised by the Mumbai Police after 26/11 attacks.

Both the writers chatted with rediff.com's Sheela Bhatt in an e-mail interview. Here's the first of the two-part series.

What's the main premise of the book? What are the significant issues discussed in it? Can you shed light on the distinct identity of such forces if compared to the normal battalions?

Gen Katoch: The main premise is that India has failed to strategically employ its considerable number of special forces especially in creating deterrence against the asymmetric war unleashed upon us by both Pakistan and China since past several years, and that we need to right this urgently.

The significant issues discussed are creation and employment of special forces in India, their existing set up and status, employment of foreign special forces, why India needs special forces, discussion on doctrinal and conceptual issues, and recommendations for the future including organisation, tasking and the like.

Special forces are not only differently organised, manned, equipped, trained and employed compared to normal infantry battalions, special forces should primarily be tasked strategically.

Analyst Stephen P Cohen aptly described the task of special forces in his book The Idea of Pakistan as, "The proxy application of force at low and precisely calculated levels, the objective being to achieve some political effect, not a battlefield victory".

There is considerable confusion in India (including some created deliberately by vested interests within the military) as to who the special forces are. In effect, they are the military special forces, the special action groups of the National Security Guard and the special action groups of the Special Frontier Force albeit India has failed to employ these forces strategically, as the case should be.

Dutta: The book was written primarily with the aim to record the history and the facts on the evolution of the special forces in India. Currently there isn't any book available on Indian special forces and this dearth of literature, in our view as detrimental to the future evolution and growth of India's special forces.

The era of conventional wars in almost over in the Indian context. In such a scenario, special forces could play a decisive strategic role in the spectrum of conflict.

We recognised that this was not being understood in the military and the political hierarchy. Our attempt is to ensure that we put out a sound case that is rooted in history and also sources authentic material to substantiate what we say.

It is also an attempt to correct the misperceptions and the misconceptions about the special forces and their roles that currently haunt our security mandarins and politico-military leadership.

Saikat had once written that, "The evolution of special forces in India continues to be a painful and muddled process". Can you explain what do you say so?

Gen Katoch: When the first Indo-US Defence Planning Group meeting was held in New Delhi post 9/11, the Americans were flabbergasted to learn two facts: first, that our ministry of defence had no military personnel on deputation or on permanent absorption; second, that our parachute (special forces) battalions and parachute battalions are grouped in the same parachute regiment.

When the initial two special forces Battalions (9 and 10 Para Commando) were raised, strengths being small they were put in the parachute regiment.

The fact is that a parachute battalion is an infantry battalion that can be delivered by air and once para-dropped, it performs its infantry role. In April 2002, Lt Gen R K Nanavatty, then northern army commander (who had served as commander, HQ special forces including as part of IPKF in Sri Lanka) had stated, "I find the vision blurring in certain quarters on the issue of parachute and parachute (special forces) battalions. I am very clear that a parachute battalion is simply an infantry battalion in an airborne role and has nothing in common with a special forces battalion.

Also, the special forces is not a game of numbers and I for one am against their expansion of any sort. Our special forces in their present state are comparable only to the rangers of the US. We must consolidate and modernise our existing special forces resources.

As regards the parachute brigade, I view them as a rapid reaction force to be used within and outside the country".

Unfortunately, the parachute regiment mostly had colonels of the regiment who had not served or commanded special forces units/sub units and their sole aim was to convert more and more parachute units to special forces, undermining the growth of special forces and stunting the special forces concept.

We have gone for unprecedented special forces expansion ignoring the universally accepted four special forces truths: one, humans are more important than hardware; two, quality is better than quantity; three, special forces cannot be mass produced; four, competent special forces cannot be created after emergencies arise. We have faulted in the unprecedented expansion of the NSG as well.

During the tenure of General B C Joshi as the chief of the army staff, a special forces regiment was formed in the army with due government sanction and the then three special forces battalions were renamed 1 Special Forces, 9 Special Forces and 10 Special Forces, also with due government sanction.

A HQ special forces, plus a special forces training wing were raised and the commando cell in military operations was elevated to be headed by a brigadier-level officer. Ironically, Gen Joshi died in harness and his successor, Gen Shankar Roychowdhury disbanded the special forces regiment.

Dutta: Today, in just numbers, we have more fighting men who are called special forces than all the fighting men and women troops under the United States special operations command. But in terms of quality, reach, capabilities we are far, far behind them.

So what is the use of having large numbers when they are reduced to playing the role of a super-infantry at best. This is an extremely sad state of affairs because special forces, by nature, are small, need intensive investments to develop special skills which cannot be mass produced.

Instead of recognising this basic fact, we have ended up aimlessly expanding our numbers despite our severe resource crunch at the cost of quality. This has severely affected the quality and capability of our special forces.

On the balance, has India's special forces been successful?

Gen Katoch: Let me put it this way, they have been successful within the constraints of their employment albeit they have hardly been employed as how special forces should actually be -- strategically.

They have been mostly used for counter insurgency within India, where their record has been very good but these are tasks which can also be performed by infantry and troops of other units like the Rashtriya Rifles and the Assam Rifles.

While special forces should be central to asymmetric response including against irregular forces, asymmetric warfare does not automatically equate to a physical attack. A physical attack is only the extreme and potentially most dangerous expression of asymmetric warfare. The key lies in achieving strategic objectives through application of modest resources with the essential psychological element.

In its history which action of SF will you term as glorious? Can you narrate it please?

Gen Katoch: Through the book, you can discern that the best of actions have been in counter insurgency operations (that is what I call within constraints of their employment). They also accredited themselves very well in Sri Lanka as part of the IPKF as LTTE intercepts indicated these were the troops that the LTTE feared most.

Dutta: As Gen Katoch rightly says within the constraints the Indian special forces have done a wonderful job. If we see the gallantry medals given to the three original special forces units (1, 9, 10) we will see that the high number of medals speaks volumes about the quality of the men who serve in these three elite units.

But special forces are meant to perform strategic tasks. That is the reason countries have special forces. However, a shy politico-military leadership has trapped themselves into a vicious cycle. They have always viewed and employed the special forces in very narrow, tactical terms. As a result they have never bothered to arm, equip or task them for the strategic interests that special forces are supposed to achieve.

For instance, the only military officer who sits with the cabinet's crisis management group in the United Kingdom is the director, special forces, a major general officer who has served with the elite SAS in his career. That is the importance mature democracies and governments accord the special forces.

In India, there is no recognition of the role, capabilities and therefore, requirements of the special forces by both -- the military and the political leadership.

When did the Indian Special forces fail miserably? Can you give us the background under which they lost out?

Gen Katoch: Analysis proves that failures have occurred when the hierarchy/higher commanders fail to understand what special forces are about, and ironically fail to listen to special forces advice.

Even if one is stupid enough to task them wrongly, you have to leave the execution to them -- not compound the stupidity of ordering them 'how' to execute the task. Besides, you cannot task special forces on zero intelligence.

Reading the book, you can examine yourself why the helicopter borne raid in Jaffna University area during the IPKF operations, why frontal assaults were ordered during Operation Vijay and Operation Blue Star and what the consequences were.

No one was taken to task why such frontal assaults were ordered in the first place when special forces do not have such fire power and manpower, and in one case even barred from carrying what fire power they had, leading to excessive avoidable casualties and the commanding officer telling the media subsequently, "They were sent in with their hands tied behind their back".

The NSG task force enroute to 26/11 was told by the DG NSG enroute that he wanted the terrorists alive -- alive when they are firing AKs and the NSG boys didn't even have corner shots? Post the US Special forces raid to kill Osama-bin-Laden, I was asked during a TV debate whether our special forces can execute such a task. My response was that if we could put down two helicopters similarly in Osama's compound, no reason why our boys cannot do it but the question is does India has such capacity and is doing anything to achieve such capability -- the answer is a big fat no!

Dutta: In the book we have recorded how special forces were repeatedly misused -- be it Sri Lanka or the Kargil War. Under 8 Mountain Division, one elite SF unit was sent on a mission when they did not even have the ropes to tackle the heights. They were not allowed to enter Pakistani-occupied territory when special forces are meant to go behind enemy lines!

Special forces units are much smaller than a conventional infantry unit and since they work in small teams they don't carry any heavy guns or firepower. Despite that, they were thrown into frontal assaults like conventional infantry battalions leading to several failures. This was a criminal misuse of special forces and left them high and dry.

'India must use special forces better against Pak, China' - Rediff.com News

I have seen SFF personnel and believe me, they are stationed at the best possible location for their assigned task. always training very hard, are very much high tech, and physical efficient. as for as NSG is concerned, with out any intentional offence, i want to say that they were a good lot till 1990 and possibly up to 93 or 94. but off late wasted interests crept in and the force was filled with mostly local hariyanvi guys, who's only interest was how to get station leave on Saturdays and Sundays. i found they were the most illiterate and uninterested guys,albeit with some exception ( one capt. told us in 95 that i am not training you how to guard your gates and boundaries. i am training you for the day when some crazy fellow will come with explosive laden plane and will crash on your most vital building. i remembered this officer when 9/11 happened. ) I saw them even cheating with inspecting authorities during demonstrations and felt very pathetic.
 

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