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Is there a correlation between a nation's economic performance and its success at international sports competitions? Has India's economic resurgence contributed to its achieving remarkable second place status on the medals table at the Commonwealth Games 2010 that just concluded in New Delhi?

Economics professor Daniel Johnson and his student Ms. Ayfer Ali have developed a model to predict a country's Olympic performance using per-capita income (the economic output per person), the nation's population, its political structure, its climate and the host nation advantage. "It's just pure economics," Johnson insists. "I know nothing about the athletes. And even if I did, I didn't include it."

"The home-field advantage is not trivial. That's why we structure playoffs the way we do," says Johnson.

Over the past five Olympics since 2000, Johnson-Ali model has demonstrated 94% accuracy between predicted and actual national medal counts. For gold medal wins, the correlation is 87%. For the 2008 Beijing Games, Johnson predicted the U.S. team would win 103 medals in total, 33 of them gold. The Americans ended up winning 110 medals, 36 being gold. With its host nation advantage, China did better than Johnson's forecast. Johnson predicted Chinese athletes would win 89 medals; they took 100. He expected China to earn 44 gold medals by the time of the closing ceremonies at the Bird's Nest in Beijing. The Chinese collected a list-leading 51 golds, besting the model's expectations.

The Johnson-Ali model has not done well for nations other than the top 10. For example, Pakistan, which Johnson suggested would win seven medals, including three golds, won no medals at all at Athens Olympics. In fact, Pakistan has won three golds,three silvers and four bronze medals, a total of 10 medals in the entire history of its participation in Olympics movement since 1948. Eight out of the ten medals were won by Pakistan's field hockey team. The last Olympic medal Pakistan won was a bronze in 1992. India has won nine golds,four silvers and seven bronze medals, a total of 20 medals in its entire Olympics history which began in 1927 while Sri Lanka has won two medals in its history at the Olympics, one silver and one bronze. At Beijing in 2008, India won three medals, including one gold and two bronzes, and Afghanistan won its first-ever Olympic medal, a bronze. Bangladesh is the most populous country in the world never to have won an Olympic medal. Nepal won a bronze medal in Taekwondo at Seoul in 1988, but it was won in an exhibition match not counted among official medals.

Eighty of 205 Olympic committees, representing about 40 percent of the world's nations, have never won an Olympic medal.

Now let's see if Johnson-Ali model has any relevance to the results of Delhi CWG 2010. Representing the host nation, Indian athletes have performed very well, winning second spot on the medals table with 101 medals, including 38 golds, beating England to win the second place with just one more gold medal than England's 37 golds.

As expected, Australians top the medals table with 177 medals, including 74 golds, although down significantly from 221 medals they won in 2006, according to the BBC.

Indians double their medal count to 101 this year from 50 medals in 2006.

England also make gains, winning 142 medals this year, up from 110 in 2006.

Pakistan ranks 17th, on a list of 37 medal winning nations. Pakistan's medal count is flat at 5 from 2006, including 2 golds.

In terms of population per medal, Nauru (2 medals) tops the list with one medal per 5000 people.

India and Pakistan are both near the bottom with one medal per 11 million and 33 million citizens respectively.

Bangladesh is at the very bottom with its one bronze medal for its entire population of 162 million people.

In terms of GDP, Nauru tops with 1 medal per $119 million.

India (101 medals) and Pakistan (5 medals) are near the bottom with $12 billion and $33 billion respectively.

Bangladesh is last with just one bronze for its entire GDP of $94 billion.

Indians deserve to be congratulated for leveraging their rapid economic growth in recent years to achieve remarkable success at the 2010 Commonwealth Games in New Delhi. However, in terms of India's GDP and the size of its population, the Indians still have a long way to go to match the performance of China and OECD member nations at major international sports competitions like the Olympics.

With rising enthusiasm for competitive sports and its world-class training facilities built for Delhi Commonwealth Games, I believe India has taken a giant step forward to become a sports powerhouse ready to compete and win in major international sporting events in future.

Haq's Musings: Correlating Population and GDP With CWG 2010 Medals

Haq's Musings: India, Pakistan and Johnson-Ali Olympics Success Model
 
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If ever there is a competition for jealousy, I know who will win.
 
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If ever there is a competition for jealousy, I know who will win.

Lets not always ring alarm bells brother....

There is some truth to this.....for a nation of a billion, this being our very first achievement in sports, India should be ashamed of its dismal performance in the past....we definitely should bring in more sports medals in olympics and other events...
China, pre-economic boom had a very decent track record for earning Olympics medals.....

I will also say this.....the Gold medals tally in Olympics has always been a sign of a "Power" in the world stage.....eg. America has always raked in top medals....at the height of cold war, US and USSR were always tussling for #1 rank in Olympics.....Nazi Germany with its power and its urge to prove "Aryan superiority" was always a top medals contender in those times....and in the Beijing olympics, China formally announced its power status to the world.....

My point is, India too with the inspiration and boost to sports through CWG will improve its medals tally.....
A lot has to do with training and resources allocated to training......
I am extremely proud of India's performance in CWG....


nevertheless.....
It is also the fact that the OP has aimed to again draw a parity in India and Pakistans performance through some very clever use of statistics......Ill give points for the effort!
 
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Here is an excerpt from an interesting commentary by Soutik Biswas of BBC:

Incidentally, many of India's sterling performances came from women, including badminton star Saina Nehwal, who picked up the badminton singles gold. Many of India's medal-winning women athletes came from the northern state of Haryana, which has some of the worst rates of female foeticide in the country. These girls can drive change in this benighted region better than the politicians.

That was not all. The once glorious field hockey team - undefeated in the Olympic Games between 1928 and 1956, winning six gold medals in succession - which has been on a comeback of sorts made it to the finals before being thrashed by Australia. (The team had returned empty handed from the three Commonwealth Games ever since hockey was introduced in 1998)

One hopes that India's apathetic sports officials will build on the success of its athletes and begin treating them better with more incentives, increased funding and improved infrastructure. The legacy of the Delhi games will depend on this alone. The expensive stadia and other state-of-the-art infrastructure could easily turn out to be white elephants, decaying away in neglect, if they are not used to showcase and train athletes regularly. Half of India's one billion population is under the age of 25. Can there be any other country in the world with such untapped sporting potential?

It is tempting to suggest that India's success at the games have happened despite the system - even after the 1982 Asian Games in Delhi, sports has remained mired in politics, nepotism, provincialism and corruption. Governments don't appear to be interested in nurturing sports seriously by tapping talent at the grassroots and setting up academies. Will the Delhi games help in ushering in a new sports culture in India?

There's still a lot of catching up to do, as sports writer Suresh Menon points out. One sobering example: the 100m track record in India is 10.3 seconds, achieved in 2005. Canadian Percy Williams clocked that record in 1930. So India trails by 75 years in that event. Or take China. Since 1984, India has won three Olympic medals. China has won 420. India's athletes have shown a lot of promise at Delhi, but it's still a long way to the top. Will the authorities now wake up - and do their job?

BBC - Soutik Biswas's India: India's athletes redeem Commonwealth Games

Haq's Musings: Female Genocide Unfolding in India
 
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Here is an excerpt from an interesting commentary by Soutik Biswas of BBC:

Incidentally, many of India's sterling performances came from women, including badminton star Saina Nehwal, who picked up the badminton singles gold. Many of India's medal-winning women athletes came from the northern state of Haryana, which has some of the worst rates of female foeticide in the country. These girls can drive change in this benighted region better than the politicians.

That was not all. The once glorious field hockey team - undefeated in the Olympic Games between 1928 and 1956, winning six gold medals in succession - which has been on a comeback of sorts made it to the finals before being thrashed by Australia. (The team had returned empty handed from the three Commonwealth Games ever since hockey was introduced in 1998)

One hopes that India's apathetic sports officials will build on the success of its athletes and begin treating them better with more incentives, increased funding and improved infrastructure. The legacy of the Delhi games will depend on this alone. The expensive stadia and other state-of-the-art infrastructure could easily turn out to be white elephants, decaying away in neglect, if they are not used to showcase and train athletes regularly. Half of India's one billion population is under the age of 25. Can there be any other country in the world with such untapped sporting potential?

It is tempting to suggest that India's success at the games have happened despite the system - even after the 1982 Asian Games in Delhi, sports has remained mired in politics, nepotism, provincialism and corruption. Governments don't appear to be interested in nurturing sports seriously by tapping talent at the grassroots and setting up academies. Will the Delhi games help in ushering in a new sports culture in India?

There's still a lot of catching up to do, as sports writer Suresh Menon points out. One sobering example: the 100m track record in India is 10.3 seconds, achieved in 2005. Canadian Percy Williams clocked that record in 1930. So India trails by 75 years in that event. Or take China. Since 1984, India has won three Olympic medals. China has won 420. India's athletes have shown a lot of promise at Delhi, but it's still a long way to the top. Will the authorities now wake up - and do their job?

BBC - Soutik Biswas's India: India's athletes redeem Commonwealth Games

Haq's Musings: Female Genocide Unfolding in India

Did knew sania saina and the other women folks like the long jumpers and the olympics participant of pasts from my state were originally from Haryana..

Whats the muzings for atheletics in other asian nations, MR.
 
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Economics professor Daniel Johnson and his student Ms. Ayfer Ali have developed a model to predict a country's Olympic performance using per-capita income (the economic output per person), the nation's population, its political structure, its climate and the host nation advantage. "It's just pure economics," Johnson insists. "I know nothing about the athletes. And even if I did, I didn't include it."

Do we actually need to read anything beyond this????

Riaz...post about that model,we need to know about this future predicting model.Do we really have a Nostradamus in creation???We already have Paul the Octopus.....
 
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Well I guess we have to admit that India did well in the competetion 103 medals? was it pretty good tally


And I fully agree that your economy potential = your atheltic performace as corporate sponsors help promote nation's athletes as well

But alot of Indian athletes have stated they live in povety some sell soup on dhabba etc so not all athletes enjoy the sponsorship like rest of world
 
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Is there a correlation between a nation's economic performance and its success at international sports competitions? Has India's economic resurgence contributed to its achieving remarkable second place status on the medals table at the Commonwealth Games 2010 that just concluded in New Delhi?

Economics professor Daniel Johnson and his student Ms. Ayfer Ali have developed a model to predict a country's Olympic performance using per-capita income (the economic output per person), the nation's population, its political structure, its climate and the host nation advantage. "It's just pure economics," Johnson insists. "I know nothing about the athletes. And even if I did, I didn't include it."

"The home-field advantage is not trivial. That's why we structure playoffs the way we do," says Johnson.

Over the past five Olympics since 2000, Johnson-Ali model has demonstrated 94% accuracy between predicted and actual national medal counts. For gold medal wins, the correlation is 87%. For the 2008 Beijing Games, Johnson predicted the U.S. team would win 103 medals in total, 33 of them gold. The Americans ended up winning 110 medals, 36 being gold. With its host nation advantage, China did better than Johnson's forecast. Johnson predicted Chinese athletes would win 89 medals; they took 100. He expected China to earn 44 gold medals by the time of the closing ceremonies at the Bird's Nest in Beijing. The Chinese collected a list-leading 51 golds, besting the model's expectations.

The Johnson-Ali model has not done well for nations other than the top 10. For example, Pakistan, which Johnson suggested would win seven medals, including three golds, won no medals at all at Athens Olympics. In fact, Pakistan has won three golds,three silvers and four bronze medals, a total of 10 medals in the entire history of its participation in Olympics movement since 1948. Eight out of the ten medals were won by Pakistan's field hockey team. The last Olympic medal Pakistan won was a bronze in 1992. India has won nine golds,four silvers and seven bronze medals, a total of 20 medals in its entire Olympics history which began in 1927 while Sri Lanka has won two medals in its history at the Olympics, one silver and one bronze. At Beijing in 2008, India won three medals, including one gold and two bronzes, and Afghanistan won its first-ever Olympic medal, a bronze. Bangladesh is the most populous country in the world never to have won an Olympic medal. Nepal won a bronze medal in Taekwondo at Seoul in 1988, but it was won in an exhibition match not counted among official medals.

Eighty of 205 Olympic committees, representing about 40 percent of the world's nations, have never won an Olympic medal.

Now let's see if Johnson-Ali model has any relevance to the results of Delhi CWG 2010. Representing the host nation, Indian athletes have performed very well, winning second spot on the medals table with 101 medals, including 38 golds, beating England to win the second place with just one more gold medal than England's 37 golds.

As expected, Australians top the medals table with 177 medals, including 74 golds, although down significantly from 221 medals they won in 2006, according to the BBC.

Indians double their medal count to 101 this year from 50 medals in 2006.

England also make gains, winning 142 medals this year, up from 110 in 2006.

Pakistan ranks 17th, on a list of 37 medal winning nations. Pakistan's medal count is flat at 5 from 2006, including 2 golds.

In terms of population per medal, Nauru (2 medals) tops the list with one medal per 5000 people.

India and Pakistan are both near the bottom with one medal per 11 million and 33 million citizens respectively.

Bangladesh is at the very bottom with its one bronze medal for its entire population of 162 million people.

In terms of GDP, Nauru tops with 1 medal per $119 million.

India (101 medals) and Pakistan (5 medals) are near the bottom with $12 billion and $33 billion respectively.

Bangladesh is last with just one bronze for its entire GDP of $94 billion.

Indians deserve to be congratulated for leveraging their rapid economic growth in recent years to achieve remarkable success at the 2010 Commonwealth Games in New Delhi. However, in terms of India's GDP and the size of its population, the Indians still have a long way to go to match the performance of China and OECD member nations at major international sports competitions like the Olympics.

With rising enthusiasm for competitive sports and its world-class training facilities built for Delhi Commonwealth Games, I believe India has taken a giant step forward to become a sports powerhouse ready to compete and win in major international sporting events in future.

Haq's Musings: Correlating Population and GDP With CWG 2010 Medals

Haq's Musings: India, Pakistan and Johnson-Ali Olympics Success Model

The following Medal Table is the Comparative Results for India and Pakistan.

Medals and Results | XIX Commonwealth Games 2010 Delhi

COMMONWEALTH GAMES – MEDAL TALLY

INDIA------------ GOLD : 38, SILVER : 27, BRONZE : 36, TOTAL : 101

PAKISTAN-------- GOLD : 02, SILVER : 01, BRONZE : 02, TOTAL : 005


Mr. Haq is now requested to let us know how he would Correlate a Table for Pakistan's Performance.

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P. S. : I am sure that Pakistan will give an outstanding performance when the Commonwealth Games or Asian games are held in Pakistan whereby the Pakistani Medal Tally might, just might, even cross that of India.
 
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Well I guess we have to admit that India did well in the competetion 103 medals? was it pretty good tally


And I fully agree that your economy potential = your atheltic performace as corporate sponsors help promote nation's athletes as well

But alot of Indian athletes have stated they live in povety some sell soup on dhabba etc so not all athletes enjoy the sponsorship like rest of world

That's probably true of most athletes in many nations.

However, the availability of world-class facilities in the host nation and home-crowd support and home-field advantages are very important factors in athletics success.

We should wait and see how India's success at CWG translates into success at the next Asian Games and Olympics.

As Soutik Biswas of BBC explains:

There's still a lot of catching up to do, as sports writer Suresh Menon points out. One sobering example: the 100m track record in India is 10.3 seconds, achieved in 2005. Canadian Percy Williams clocked that record in 1930. So India trails by 75 years in that event. Or take China. Since 1984, India has won three Olympic medals. China has won 420. India's athletes have shown a lot of promise at Delhi, but it's still a long way to the top. Will the authorities now wake up - and do their job?
 
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^^^guys it's fun and proud of seeing people getting jealous of india's development...
i just love this Anti-india threads,good source of entertainment...
 
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I wonder if the thread has anything to do with jealousy.

It is a fact guys, dominance in sports is a very expensive prospect these days.

More money, better facilities , better athletes! As technology progresses, this will become even more pronounced.

Yes, we have the money! Yes, we will use it to get more medals! Nobody should have any objections to that!

Do not shoot the messenger!
 
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India and china have a large market for sport , id personally love seing australian rules football and rugby union among others becoming professional in india and china:p
 
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I wonder if the thread has anything to do with jealousy.

It is a fact guys, dominance in sports is a very expensive prospect these days.

More money, better facilities , better athletes! As technology progresses, this will become even more pronounced.

Yes, we have the money! Yes, we will use it to get more medals! Nobody should have any objections to that!

Do not shoot the messenger!

Just go through the theory on which this whole report is based.I have already quoted it on bold.

Money is a partial contributing factor but that is not all.Need an example???BCCI has been the richest cricket board for far too long,even before the time of Greg Chapell as coach.But India was nowhere near the top by that time.The funds provided by Ghana for its football team is far less than what India spends.But the fact is India did not qualify to play the last Worldcup,Ghana did.

Had sports been 'totally' controlled by the amounts fund provided,then what is the necessity of even conducting a sports event.Just declare your budget,have it verified by a neutral authority and take home the prizes,simple enough isnt it????

This model is pure bogus.Had you been a little older in this forum then perhaps you would have realized that the creator of the thread is a bit too much biased to be taken seriously.Don't believe me????search threads by username.
 
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Is there a correlation between a nation's economic performance and its success at international sports competitions? Has India's economic resurgence contributed to its achieving remarkable second place status on the medals table at the Commonwealth Games 2010 that just concluded in New Delhi?

Indians deserve to be congratulated for leveraging their rapid economic growth in recent years to achieve remarkable success at the 2010 Commonwealth Games in New Delhi. However, in terms of India's GDP and the size of its population, the Indians still have a long way to go to match the performance of China and OECD member nations at major international sports competitions like the Olympics.

With rising enthusiasm for competitive sports and its world-class training facilities built for Delhi Commonwealth Games, I believe India has taken a giant step forward to become a sports powerhouse ready to compete and win in major international sporting events in future.

Haq's Musings: Correlating Population and GDP With CWG 2010 Medals

Haq's Musings: India, Pakistan and Johnson-Ali Olympics Success Model


Well at least this thread of yours admits somethings for the very first time:

1. India is under going rapid economic growth.

2. Commonwealth Games 2010 are remarkable success in New Delhi.

3. World-class training facilities built for Delhi Commonwealth Games, India has taken a giant step forward to become a sports powerhouse ready to compete and win in major international sporting events in future.:cheers:

What can i say thanks,

Its better to be realist better late then never.
 
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