India is everywhere but here: Innotrans 2016

[endyashainin]

Innotrans is the world's largest exhibition of all things railway. This year's event is the largest ever, choke full of manufacturers and infrastructure construction companies showing off their latest wares and technologies. China Railway Rolling Stock Corporation (CRRC) is the largest exhibitor this year, bringing a complete set of solutions to the show, from track fabrication and tunnel boring machines to the newest electric multiple units and signal control systems.

India, on the other hand, is nowhere to be seen at the event.

When it comes to trains, India and China have two things in common: they both love their railways; and both produce slick presentations and animations showing off their future visions for rail transport. However, only China works diligently to realize her vision. India is content with making empty promises and bold predictions, but nothing ever gets done.

India first proposed to build a bullet train network 30 years ago, more than 10 years before China did, but she has not managed to build a single kilometer of high-speed rail track. China announced her plans to build her high-speed rail network less than 20 years ago, and she has already built 20,000 kilometers of tracks, with a further 18,000 kilometers scheduled for completion by 2025.

The contrast between the two countries could not be more stark.

Here are some videos showing off what China is working on for the next 5 to 10 years:

Future Intercontinental High-speed Train

Future Intelligent Train System

Future Passenger Information System

Future Train Information and Energy Management System

http://www.globalrailnews.com/2016/...nental-train-combines-passengers-and-freight/

CRRC high-speed ‘intercontinental’ train combines passengers and freight
September 23, 2016


China’s CRRC has presented a concept intercontinental high-speed electric multiple unit (EMU) which it hopes will “open up new markets” for the company.

The double-deck train will carry passengers on the upper level and freight below.

In promotional material presented at this year’s InnoTrans trade fair, CRRC said the EMU is “adapted to suit various climates and environments, as well different railway systems and standards”.

During the exhibition, China Railway group announced that the construction of eight new north-south corridors and eight east-west routes would almost double the size of the country’s high-speed rail network by 2025.

The intercontinental EMU could aid growth in rail traffic between China and Europe, with freight volumes in particular increasing in recent years.



http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/crrc-shows-its-full-range-at-innotrans.html

CRRC shows its full range at InnoTrans
INNOTRANS: A highlight of the CRRC stand at InnoTrans 2016 is a concept model for a possible intercontinental high speed train, which the company is promoting for future landbridge rail services between China and Europe.

Bringing together expertise from the company's various passenger and freight rolling stock businesses, the double-deck trainset would have passenger accommodation on the upper deck and space for airline-style modular freight containers below. These would be suited to high-value premium products and express packages, rather than conventional containers.

The Intercon trainset would draw on CRRC's family of 'Chinese standard' high speed trains, of which the 350 km/h variant achieved a speed of 420 km/h in July during testing on the pilot section of Zhengzhou – Xuzhou high speed line. Five pre-series trainsets are now in commercial operation on the Harbin – Dalian route, and CRRC expects to start series production before the end of this year. Development of a 250 km/h variant is currently underway, with the first train expected to roll out next year.

CRRC is also showing models of its 200 km/h electric passenger locomotive, as well as a medium-speed inter-city EMU and a concept to operate China Railway's planned suburban networks.

The freight sector is represented with an AC-drive diesel locomotive, tank car, aluminium-alloy hopper car and large-volume box car. CRRC is promoting its family of electric freight locomotives in several versions: six-axle 7 200 kW, six-axle 9 600 kW, eight-axle 9 600 kW and 12-axle 14 400 kW.

Urban transport is showcased with models of medium and low-speed maglev vehicles, which are currently in service in Changsha. Another 10 six-car maglev trains will soon be put into revenue service on Line S1 of the Beijing metro. Also in the group's urban portfolio are metro trains and low-floor trams fitted with supercapacitors developed by CRRC for energy storage. These are in service in Guangzhou and Huai'an.

Visitors to the stand can also have a demonstration of augmented and virtual reality vehicle maintenance simulations. In addition, a future 'intelligent train' concept envisages the use of 'smart windows' to provide passenger information through a touch-screen heads-up display. The smart mirror concept uses wi-fi technology, and has been tested on a 25T series EMU.

 

[endyashainin]

CRRC's future intelligent manufacturing process

CRRC's cargo transport solutions

CRRC company profile

CRRC promotional video for Innotrans 2016

 

[Shockwave]

lol his obsession with India is ridiculous

 

[AndrewJin]

@endyashainin
I do not know your intention,
but thanks for the videos.
I haven't watched most of them before.
I know Berlin's railway expo has just ended...

 

[endyashainin]

lol his obsession with India is ridiculous

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/01/b...looks-to-china-as-an-economic-model.html?_r=0

India Measures Itself Against a China That Doesn’t Notice
By VIKAS BAJAJAUG. 31, 2011

MUMBAI, India — It seems to be a national obsession in India: measuring the country’s economic development against China’s yardstick.

At a recent panel discussion to commemorate the 20th anniversary of India’s dismantling parts of its socialist economy, a government minister told business leaders to keep their eye on the big prize: growing faster than China.

“That’s not impossible,” said the minister, Palaniappan Chidambaram, who oversees national security and previously was finance minister. “People are beginning to talk about outpacing China.”

Indians, in fact, seem to talk endlessly about all things China, a neighbor with whom they have long had a prickly relationship, but which is also one of the few other economies that has had 8 percent or more annual growth in recent years.

Indian newspapers are filled with articles comparing the two countries. Indian executives refer to China as a template for development. Government officials cite Beijing, variously as a threat, partner or role model.

But if keeping up with the Wangs is India’s economic motive force, the rivalry seems to be largely one-sided.

“Indians are obsessed with China, but the Chinese are paying too little attention to India,” said Minxin Pei, an economist who was born in China and who writes a monthly column for The Indian Express, a national daily newspaper. (No Indian economists are known to have a regular column in mainland Chinese publications.)

Most Chinese are unconcerned with how India is growing and changing, because they prefer to compare their country with the United States and Europe, said Mr. Pei, a professor at Claremont McKenna College near Los Angeles. He says he has tried to organize conferences about India in China but has struggled to find enough Chinese India experts.

Liu Yi, a clothing store owner in Beijing, echoed the sentiments of a dozen Chinese people interviewed in Beijing and Shanghai, in dismissing the idea that the two countries could be compared. Yes, he said India was a “world leader” in information technology but it also had many “backward, undeveloped places.”

“China’s economy is special,” Mr. Liu said. “If China’s development has a model, you could say it’s the U.S. or England.”

It might be only natural that the Chinese would look up the development ladder to the United States, now that it is the only nation in the world with a larger economy, rather than over their shoulders at India, which ranks ninth. And while China is India’s largest trading partner, the greatest portion of China’s exports go to the United States.

So for India, China represents the higher rung to strive for.

Like India, China traces its civilization back thousands of years and has a population of more than 1 billion people. And China has lessons to offer because, under Deng Xiaoping in the late 1970s and early ’80s, it started the transition to a more open and competitive economy more than a decade before India. Before Deng took power, India’s economy was bigger on a per-capita basis than China’s.

Whatever the reasons, Indians compare virtually every aspect of their nation with China. Infrastructure (China is acknowledged as being many kilometers ahead). The armed forces (China is more powerful). Universities (China has invested more in its institutions). The software industry (India is far ahead). Proficiency in the English language (India has the historical advantage, but China is catching up).

Evidence of the Indo-Sino interest disparity can be seen in the two countries’ leading newspapers. The People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist Party’s house organ, had only 24 articles mentioning India on its English-language Web site in the first seven months of this year, according to the Factiva database. By contrast, The Times of India, the country’s largest circulation English-language newspaper, had 57 articles mentioning China — in July alone.

There are other big gaps. Indian cities, large and small, are filled with Chinese restaurants that serve a distinctly ultraspicy, Indian version of that cuisine. But there are few Indian restaurants in Beijing or Shanghai, let alone in smaller Chinese cities.

In 2009, more than 160,000 Indian tourists visited mainland China, according to the Chinese government. Barely 100,000 Chinese tourists made the reverse trek, according to India’s government.

Prakash Jagtap, who owns a small engineering firm in the western Indian city of Pune, has been to China five times. Like many Indians, he loves Chinese food (of the Indian variant) and he sings the praises of Chinese diligence and persistence.

“They have more discipline,” he said. “Here in our country, people don’t look for the long term. Instead, they look for short term, both the management and labor. We have to change our work culture.”

Mr. Jagtap’s statement reflects a widely held view among Indians that China has outperformed their country in large part because the Chinese one-party system is more “disciplined” than India’s vibrant, but messy, democracy.

In early July, The Economic Times, India’s leading financial newspaper, ran a photo slide show on its Web site titled “How China builds these, and why India never does.” The slide show is a series of photographs of large infrastructure projects in China, including the a new 26-mile-long bridge linking Qingdao and the Huangdao district across the Jiaozhou Bay on the northeastern coast.

India’s views have also been shaped by a 1962 war that ended with China seizing a chunk of the northern India state of Kashmir. The countries still have an unsettled border, and China claims a large piece of territory controlled by India.

Raghav Bahl, an Indian media executive who has written a book about the economic rise of both countries, said Indians “nursed a severe feeling of humiliation” from the 1962 war that was compounded by China’s economic rise.

“There is a sense that this is one race that we could have done much better in,” said Mr. Bahl, author of “Superpower? The Amazing Race Between China’s Hare and India’s Tortoise.”

India and China are two of the fastest growing economies on earth. The Times spoke to people in Beijing and in Delhi about how they view their neighbors - as competition or collaborators?

By Joshua Frank|Poh Si Teng|Sean Patrick Farrell on August 31, 2011. . Watch in Times Video »
But he added that Indians had regained confidence recently as a result of their country’s strong economy. Many, like Mr. Chidambaram and The Economist magazine, have suggested that India could soon grow at a faster pace than China. Its economy, at $5.9 trillion, is about three and a half times as big as the Indian economy, but China’s population is much older than India’s.

In China, however, India does not register as a threat, economically or otherwise.

“In both countries, the level of knowledge about the other is relatively low,” Mr. Pei said.

But at least several people interviewed in China acknowledged an inherent competition between the countries, given their size and fast growth. Ideally, they said, it will be a healthy rivalry.

“Competition exists between any two nations,” said Hu Jun, a 40-year-old teacher in Shanghai. “That’s a good thing. If we compete in the areas of high-tech and energy saving, I think that will benefit everyone.”

In India, Shrayank Gupta, a 21-year-old student at the prestigious Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, echoed those sentiments: “There will definitely be a race, because we are both naturally competitive, and the world will depend on both of us.”




http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1562321,00.html

Behind China and India's Awkward Courtship
By Simon Robinson/New Delhi Wednesday, Nov. 22, 2006
As Chinese Premier Hu Jintao began his four-day visit to India —the first by a Chinese head of state in more than a decade — there was plenty of talk about the good ties between the two countries, about the free trade agreement they hope to sign and about the fact that 2006 is "India-China Friendship Year." But what you won't hear as much about this week, at least not officially, are the tensions that remain between Beijing and New Delhi.
China's Ambassador to India, Sun Yuxi, prompted angry rebuttals from Indian officials last week when he reiterated China's claim to the eastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh during a TV appearance, noting it was "Chinese territory" and that China claims the "whole of that" state, which it calls Southern Tibet. Beijing has also complained that Delhi is throwing up unfair barriers to investment by snarling Chinese companies in bureaucratic red tape, and chafed at a decision to bar a company linked to the Chinese military from taking up a lucrative air cargo contract, apparently over security concerns. And, of course, China remains a close ally of Pakistan, India's archenemy, a friendship Hu will shore up during talks with President Pervez Musharraf in Islamabad as soon as he leaves India.

With a third of the world's population and two of its fastest-growing economies between them, the relationship between China and India is one of the most important of the 21st century. If they clash — as they have in the past over border disputes — global economic growth and stability will suffer. But as both have grown economically, relations have warmed: China-India trade is expected to reach $20 billion this year.

Moreover, India is obsessed with China. Mainland goods from refrigerators to clothes to cameras to children's toys flood Indian markets. China's pavilion is the most popular by far at the India International Trade Fair, which opened in Delhi last week and attracts hundreds of thousands of visitors some days. (At one stand, The Hindu newspaper noted with amazement, punters can buy not only a pair of bargain-priced Chinese jeans, but also the Chinese machinery that makes them.) Indian newspapers are talking up the idea of an emerging "Chindia" — a phrase coined by Indian economist Jairam Ramesh — that acts as a counterbalance to traditional powers Europe and the U.S. And while the government still focuses on their differences — theirs is a democracy, Indian officials note, where laws are debated and voted on rather than pushed through by an all-powerful one-party state — it also looks to the success of Beijing's economic reforms as a model for transforming its own country.

Nevertheless, it will probably take some bold steps for Beijing and New Delhi to put the past behind them. "There's still a general climate of anxiety that persists between the two countries despite better relations," says Manoranjan Mohanty, co-chair of the Institute of Chinese Studies in New Delhi. "That history is not easy to erase." But if Hu's trip is considered a success — Delhi promises that Chinese investors will be treated the same as any other and promises to make it easier for Chinese entrepreneurs to obtain visas, while each nation announced it will open consulates in more of the other's cities — India and China may find that their past differences become easier to ignore.





http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/19/india-is-losing-the-race/

India Is Losing the Race
By Steven RattnerJanuary 19, 2013 1:50 pm
As recently as 2006, when I first visited India and China, the economic race was on, with heavy bets being placed on which one would win the developing world sweepstakes.

Many Westerners fervently hoped that a democratic country would triumph economically over an autocratic regime.

Now the contest is emphatically over. China has lunged into the 21st century, while India is still lurching toward it.

That’s evident not just in columns of dry statistics but in the rhythm and sensibility of each country. While China often seems to eradicate its past as it single-mindedly constructs its future, India nibbles more judiciously at its complex history.

Visits to crowded Indian urban centers unleash sensory assaults: colorful dress and lilting chatter provide a backdrop to every manner of commerce, from small shops to peddlers to beggars. That makes for engaging tourism, but not the fastest economic development. In contrast to China’s full-throated, monochromatic embrace of large-scale manufacturing, India more closely resembles a nation of shopkeepers.

To be sure, India has achieved enviable success in business services, like the glistening call centers in Bangalore and elsewhere. But in the global jousting for manufacturing jobs, India does not get its share.

Now, after years of rocketing growth, China’s gross domestic product per capita of $9,146 is more than twice India’s. And its economy grew by 7.7 percent in 2012, while India expanded at a (hardly shabby) 5.3 percent rate.

The New York Times
China’s investment rate of 48 percent of G.D.P. — a key metric for development — also exceeded India’s. At 36 percent, India’s number is robust, particularly in comparison with Western countries. But the impact of that spending can be hard to discern; on a recent 12-day visit to India, not many rupees appeared to have been lavished on Mumbai’s glorious Victoria Terminus, also known as Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, since it was constructed in the 1880s. Parts of Mumbai’s recently built financial district — Bandra Kurla Complex — already look aged, perhaps because of cheap construction or poor maintenance or both. It’s hardly a serious competitor to Shanghai’s shiny Pudong.

China has 16 subway systems to India’s 5. As China builds a superhighway to Tibet, Indian drivers battle potholed roads that they share with every manner of vehicle and live animal. India’s electrical grid is still largely government controlled, which helped contribute to a disastrous blackout last summer that affected more than 600 million people.

Yet Morgan Stanley stands resolutely behind its 2010 prediction that India will be growing faster than China by the middle of this decade.

It isn’t going to happen, India’s better demographics notwithstanding.

For one thing, many of India’s youths are unskilled and work as peddlers or not at all. For another, despite all the reforms instituted by India since its move away from socialism in 1991, much more would have to change. Corruption, inefficiency, restrictive trade practices and labor laws have to be addressed.

Democratic it may be, but India’s ability to govern is compromised by suffocating bureaucracy, regular arm-wrestling with states over prerogatives like taxation and deeply embedded property rights that make implementing China-scale development projects impossible. Unable to modernize its horribly congested cities, India’s population has remained more rural than China’s, further depressing growth.

“China” and “corruption” may be almost synonymous to many, but India was ranked even worse in corruption in Transparency International’s annual Corruption Perceptions Index. At its best, the Indian justice system — a British legacy — grinds exceptionally slowly.

To be sure, summary executions don’t occur in India, and its legal system is more transparent and rule-based than China’s. But a recent visit coincided with the tragic gang rape of a young Indian woman that led to her death; the government’s ham-handed initial response was to ban protesters from assembling and impound vans with tinted windows like the one in which she was abducted.

India’s rigid social structure limits intergenerational economic mobility and fosters acceptance of vast wealth disparities. In Mumbai, where more than half the population lives in slums often devoid of electricity or running water, Mukesh Ambani spent a reported $1 billion to construct a 27-story home in a residential neighborhood.

Don’t get me wrong — I am hardly advocating totalitarian government. But we need to recognize that success for developing countries is about more than free elections.

While India may not have the same “eye on the prize” so evident in China, it should finish a respectable second in the developing world sweepstakes. It just won’t beat China.

@endyashainin
I do not know your intention,
but thanks for the videos.
I haven't watched most of them before.
I know Berlin's railway expo has just ended...

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My intention was to show our Indian members that talking doesn't accomplish things.

As for this year's Innotrans, go look up photos of Chinese equipment on display at this years Innotrans. They are amazing and provide end-to-end solutions for everything you need to build high-speed rail, absolutely everything.

I just love the intercontinental bullet train. I know the prototype is coming out in 2019. If everything goes well with Russia and eastern Europe, I hope to see the train enter service sometime in the next decade.

 

[Shockwave]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/01/b...looks-to-china-as-an-economic-model.html?_r=0

India Measures Itself Against a China That Doesn’t Notice
By VIKAS BAJAJAUG. 31, 2011

MUMBAI, India — It seems to be a national obsession in India: measuring the country’s economic development against China’s yardstick.

At a recent panel discussion to commemorate the 20th anniversary of India’s dismantling parts of its socialist economy, a government minister told business leaders to keep their eye on the big prize: growing faster than China.

“That’s not impossible,” said the minister, Palaniappan Chidambaram, who oversees national security and previously was finance minister. “People are beginning to talk about outpacing China.”

Indians, in fact, seem to talk endlessly about all things China, a neighbor with whom they have long had a prickly relationship, but which is also one of the few other economies that has had 8 percent or more annual growth in recent years.

Indian newspapers are filled with articles comparing the two countries. Indian executives refer to China as a template for development. Government officials cite Beijing, variously as a threat, partner or role model.

But if keeping up with the Wangs is India’s economic motive force, the rivalry seems to be largely one-sided.

“Indians are obsessed with China, but the Chinese are paying too little attention to India,” said Minxin Pei, an economist who was born in China and who writes a monthly column for The Indian Express, a national daily newspaper. (No Indian economists are known to have a regular column in mainland Chinese publications.)

Most Chinese are unconcerned with how India is growing and changing, because they prefer to compare their country with the United States and Europe, said Mr. Pei, a professor at Claremont McKenna College near Los Angeles. He says he has tried to organize conferences about India in China but has struggled to find enough Chinese India experts.

Liu Yi, a clothing store owner in Beijing, echoed the sentiments of a dozen Chinese people interviewed in Beijing and Shanghai, in dismissing the idea that the two countries could be compared. Yes, he said India was a “world leader” in information technology but it also had many “backward, undeveloped places.”

“China’s economy is special,” Mr. Liu said. “If China’s development has a model, you could say it’s the U.S. or England.”

It might be only natural that the Chinese would look up the development ladder to the United States, now that it is the only nation in the world with a larger economy, rather than over their shoulders at India, which ranks ninth. And while China is India’s largest trading partner, the greatest portion of China’s exports go to the United States.

So for India, China represents the higher rung to strive for.

Like India, China traces its civilization back thousands of years and has a population of more than 1 billion people. And China has lessons to offer because, under Deng Xiaoping in the late 1970s and early ’80s, it started the transition to a more open and competitive economy more than a decade before India. Before Deng took power, India’s economy was bigger on a per-capita basis than China’s.

Whatever the reasons, Indians compare virtually every aspect of their nation with China. Infrastructure (China is acknowledged as being many kilometers ahead). The armed forces (China is more powerful). Universities (China has invested more in its institutions). The software industry (India is far ahead). Proficiency in the English language (India has the historical advantage, but China is catching up).

Evidence of the Indo-Sino interest disparity can be seen in the two countries’ leading newspapers. The People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist Party’s house organ, had only 24 articles mentioning India on its English-language Web site in the first seven months of this year, according to the Factiva database. By contrast, The Times of India, the country’s largest circulation English-language newspaper, had 57 articles mentioning China — in July alone.

There are other big gaps. Indian cities, large and small, are filled with Chinese restaurants that serve a distinctly ultraspicy, Indian version of that cuisine. But there are few Indian restaurants in Beijing or Shanghai, let alone in smaller Chinese cities.

In 2009, more than 160,000 Indian tourists visited mainland China, according to the Chinese government. Barely 100,000 Chinese tourists made the reverse trek, according to India’s government.

Prakash Jagtap, who owns a small engineering firm in the western Indian city of Pune, has been to China five times. Like many Indians, he loves Chinese food (of the Indian variant) and he sings the praises of Chinese diligence and persistence.

“They have more discipline,” he said. “Here in our country, people don’t look for the long term. Instead, they look for short term, both the management and labor. We have to change our work culture.”

Mr. Jagtap’s statement reflects a widely held view among Indians that China has outperformed their country in large part because the Chinese one-party system is more “disciplined” than India’s vibrant, but messy, democracy.

In early July, The Economic Times, India’s leading financial newspaper, ran a photo slide show on its Web site titled “How China builds these, and why India never does.” The slide show is a series of photographs of large infrastructure projects in China, including the a new 26-mile-long bridge linking Qingdao and the Huangdao district across the Jiaozhou Bay on the northeastern coast.

India’s views have also been shaped by a 1962 war that ended with China seizing a chunk of the northern India state of Kashmir. The countries still have an unsettled border, and China claims a large piece of territory controlled by India.

Raghav Bahl, an Indian media executive who has written a book about the economic rise of both countries, said Indians “nursed a severe feeling of humiliation” from the 1962 war that was compounded by China’s economic rise.

“There is a sense that this is one race that we could have done much better in,” said Mr. Bahl, author of “Superpower? The Amazing Race Between China’s Hare and India’s Tortoise.”

India and China are two of the fastest growing economies on earth. The Times spoke to people in Beijing and in Delhi about how they view their neighbors - as competition or collaborators?

By Joshua Frank|Poh Si Teng|Sean Patrick Farrell on August 31, 2011. . Watch in Times Video »
But he added that Indians had regained confidence recently as a result of their country’s strong economy. Many, like Mr. Chidambaram and The Economist magazine, have suggested that India could soon grow at a faster pace than China. Its economy, at $5.9 trillion, is about three and a half times as big as the Indian economy, but China’s population is much older than India’s.

In China, however, India does not register as a threat, economically or otherwise.

“In both countries, the level of knowledge about the other is relatively low,” Mr. Pei said.

But at least several people interviewed in China acknowledged an inherent competition between the countries, given their size and fast growth. Ideally, they said, it will be a healthy rivalry.

“Competition exists between any two nations,” said Hu Jun, a 40-year-old teacher in Shanghai. “That’s a good thing. If we compete in the areas of high-tech and energy saving, I think that will benefit everyone.”

In India, Shrayank Gupta, a 21-year-old student at the prestigious Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, echoed those sentiments: “There will definitely be a race, because we are both naturally competitive, and the world will depend on both of us.”



http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1562321,00.html

Behind China and India's Awkward Courtship
By Simon Robinson/New Delhi Wednesday, Nov. 22, 2006
As Chinese Premier Hu Jintao began his four-day visit to India —the first by a Chinese head of state in more than a decade — there was plenty of talk about the good ties between the two countries, about the free trade agreement they hope to sign and about the fact that 2006 is "India-China Friendship Year." But what you won't hear as much about this week, at least not officially, are the tensions that remain between Beijing and New Delhi.
China's Ambassador to India, Sun Yuxi, prompted angry rebuttals from Indian officials last week when he reiterated China's claim to the eastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh during a TV appearance, noting it was "Chinese territory" and that China claims the "whole of that" state, which it calls Southern Tibet. Beijing has also complained that Delhi is throwing up unfair barriers to investment by snarling Chinese companies in bureaucratic red tape, and chafed at a decision to bar a company linked to the Chinese military from taking up a lucrative air cargo contract, apparently over security concerns. And, of course, China remains a close ally of Pakistan, India's archenemy, a friendship Hu will shore up during talks with President Pervez Musharraf in Islamabad as soon as he leaves India.

With a third of the world's population and two of its fastest-growing economies between them, the relationship between China and India is one of the most important of the 21st century. If they clash — as they have in the past over border disputes — global economic growth and stability will suffer. But as both have grown economically, relations have warmed: China-India trade is expected to reach $20 billion this year.

Moreover, India is obsessed with China. Mainland goods from refrigerators to clothes to cameras to children's toys flood Indian markets. China's pavilion is the most popular by far at the India International Trade Fair, which opened in Delhi last week and attracts hundreds of thousands of visitors some days. (At one stand, The Hindu newspaper noted with amazement, punters can buy not only a pair of bargain-priced Chinese jeans, but also the Chinese machinery that makes them.) Indian newspapers are talking up the idea of an emerging "Chindia" — a phrase coined by Indian economist Jairam Ramesh — that acts as a counterbalance to traditional powers Europe and the U.S. And while the government still focuses on their differences — theirs is a democracy, Indian officials note, where laws are debated and voted on rather than pushed through by an all-powerful one-party state — it also looks to the success of Beijing's economic reforms as a model for transforming its own country.

Nevertheless, it will probably take some bold steps for Beijing and New Delhi to put the past behind them. "There's still a general climate of anxiety that persists between the two countries despite better relations," says Manoranjan Mohanty, co-chair of the Institute of Chinese Studies in New Delhi. "That history is not easy to erase." But if Hu's trip is considered a success — Delhi promises that Chinese investors will be treated the same as any other and promises to make it easier for Chinese entrepreneurs to obtain visas, while each nation announced it will open consulates in more of the other's cities — India and China may find that their past differences become easier to ignore.



My intention was to show our Indian members that talking doesn't accomplish things.

As for this year's Innotrans, go look up photos of Chinese equipment on display at this years Innotrans. They are amazing and provide end-to-end solutions for everything you need to build high-speed rail, absolutely everything.

I just love the intercontinental bullet train. I know the prototype is coming out in 2019. If everything goes well with Russia and eastern Europe, I hope to see the train enter service sometime in the next decade.

LOL arbitrary articles from unreliable sources in the Indian media, do not generalize, India doesn't measures up itself against a country with fake democracy and which copies famous brands and sell knockoffs

 

[endyashainin]

LOL arbitrary articles from unreliable sources in the Indian media, do not generalize, India doesn't measures up itself against a country with fake democracy and which copies famous brands and sell knockoffs

You are an illiterate idiot. Let me ask you, which Indian companies own New York Times and Time Magazine?

 

[skyisthelimit]

yeh Chinese hain amreeki flag ke peeche.

 

[AndrewJin]

My god, look up photos of Chinese equipment on display at this years Innotrans. They are amazing and provide end-to-end solutions for everything you need to build high-speed rail, absolutely everything.

I don't know what the future HSRs will be like.....
Among the old EMUs, I like CRH380A most

Among an array of new models, I like this blue one most....

Massive manufacturing has begun...
The second one is now under test while the first one is in operation on Dalian-Harbin HSR.

 

[endyashainin]

I don't know what the future HSRs will be like.....
Among the old EMUs, I like CRH380A most

Among an array of new models, I like this blue one most....

Massive manufacturing has begun...
The second one is now under test while the first one is in operation.

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Beautiful trains. I prefer the new one over the CRH380A, but not by much.

 

[AndrewJin]

Beautiful trains. I prefer the new one over the CRH380A, but not by much.

CRH380A is more expensive I think...
I don't think any country outside China can afford that model (380km/h).....
China needs more affordable models for overseas market such as the blue one (350km/h) I've just mentioned and low-speed (<250km/h) types such as CRH6.

CRH6, large standing area for developing countries

 

[endyashainin]

CRH380A is more expensive I think...
I don't think any country outside China can afford that model.....
China needs more affordable models like the blue one (350km/h) I've just mentioned and low-speed (<250km/h) types such as CRH6.

CRH6, large standing area for developing countries

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India is also capable of producing trains. WAP-5 and WAP-7 are the fastest locomotives India has. These are very advanced by Indian standards.

The driver's cabin. As you can see, India has come a long way since her independence.

I don't know what the future HSRs will be like.....
Among the old EMUs, I like CRH380A most
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Among an array of new models, I like this blue one most....
Massive manufacturing has begun...
The second one is now under test while the first one is in operation on Dalian-Harbin HSR.

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Russia bought this one for its Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway, which is being designed by China.

I don't know what the future HSRs will be like.....
Among the old EMUs, I like CRH380A most

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Among an array of new models, I like this blue one most....

Massive manufacturing has begun...
The second one is now under test while the first one is in operation on Dalian-Harbin HSR.

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China is also building a high-speed rail line in Indonesia.

China’s rail project in Indonesia gets construction permit

And Indonesia has chosen this EMU:

Now let's look at the driver's cabin on the Chinese bullet train. India has fallen far behind.

China is also delivering cargo locomotives for Russia designed specifically to operate in very cold climate:

 

[Lotus_stalk]

China is wooing India to help build high-speed railway on other routes, claiming that it has the technology and expertise which could bring enormous economic and social benefits.

http://www.financialexpress.com/eco...for-building-high-speed-rail-networks/239609/

Stung by the worst-ever economic growth in 25 years, China is making an aggressive attempt to woo these countries and sell its HSR technology. While India has tied up with Japan for its first high-speed train to run on a 505-km track between Mumbai and Ahmedabad, China is keen to work on other proposed routes. It is carrying out feasibility studies for high-speed lines on the 2,200-km Chennai-New Delhi route and the 1,200-km long New Delhi-Mumbai corridor.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

China’s largest high speed train maker has announced that its first USD 63.4 million joint venture plant in India to repair and manufacture railway locomotive engines has started operations.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...n-maker-launches-operations-in-india-2988460/

"High speed rail is an expensive proposition. What kind of finance Chinese are willing to bring to the table is important. Japanese are bringing incredibly attractive finance to the table.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...rain-deal-with-india-china/article7986968.ece

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Why India chose Japan over China ?
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Authorities accused of muzzling media coverage after crash in Zhejiang province kills at least 38 people and injures 192

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/25/chinese-rail-crash-cover-up-claims

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Signing of LESMOA and Loss of Indian market will seriously effect Chinese economic future.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

China is wooing India to help build high-speed railway on other routes, claiming that it has the technology and expertise which could bring enormous economic and social benefits.

http://www.financialexpress.com/eco...for-building-high-speed-rail-networks/239609/

Stung by the worst-ever economic growth in 25 years, China is making an aggressive attempt to woo these countries and sell its HSR technology. While India has tied up with Japan for its first high-speed train to run on a 505-km track between Mumbai and Ahmedabad, China is keen to work on other proposed routes. It is carrying out feasibility studies for high-speed lines on the 2,200-km Chennai-New Delhi route and the 1,200-km long New Delhi-Mumbai corridor.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

China’s largest high speed train maker has announced that its first USD 63.4 million joint venture plant in India to repair and manufacture railway locomotive engines has started operations.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...n-maker-launches-operations-in-india-2988460/

"High speed rail is an expensive proposition. What kind of finance Chinese are willing to bring to the table is important. Japanese are bringing incredibly attractive finance to the table.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...rain-deal-with-india-china/article7986968.ece

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Why India chose Japan over China ?
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Authorities accused of muzzling media coverage after crash in Zhejiang province kills at least 38 people and injures 192

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/25/chinese-rail-crash-cover-up-claims

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Signing of LESMOA and Loss of Indian market will seriously effect Chinese economic future.

You cruel man.Why did you have to piss on his parade ?

 

[AndrewJin]

India is also capable of producing trains. WAP-5 and WAP-7 are the fastest locomotives India has. These are very advanced by Indian standards.

The driver's cabin. As you can see, India has come a long way since her independence.

Russia bought this one for its Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway, which is being designed by China.

China is also building a high-speed rail line in Indonesia.

China’s rail project in Indonesia gets construction permit

And Indonesia has chosen this EMU:

Now let's look at the driver's cabin on the Chinese bullet train. India has fallen far behind.

Sim

I think India is modernising her railway system....
Let's wait and see.