India holds all the cards in the Indo-Pacific

[Mirza Jatt]

And what’s your kind, all the brains covered by a turban meaning every layer covering a different size of brain, no wonder you can’t concentrate on one let alone use one.
BTW ENDIA ONLY HOLDS PAKISTANS DICK JUST TO STOP MORE SPANKING.

Lol..and then you had to bring the religion..s and turbans,,lol..precisely your kind I was talking about. Precisely !

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Take a look at history, India is fine with the status quo. That is, LOC as Border such a deal was close in the early 2000 but things took a wrong turn. India was always the defending force when Pakistan forcefully tried to change the status quo with military. Even in 71, no matter how you justify it, it was Pakistan who drew the first blood.

Speaking of proxy, no. Your claim is unsubstantiated. India cannot possibly drown Pakistan in debts, neither the terrorism inside your country is India's fault. This is similar situation like we had in North East. The internal insurgency is far away from Pakistan and similarly far away in case of India too.(BLA, TTP etc...) There may have been attempts to help these insurgents but India is not funding BLA. Instead, they are supported probably by Afghan Taliban, and Iranian groups (not the state). TTP again have deep links with AT after all they are their brethren. Claiming India supporting them is just a reaction on India's allegation of Pak support for terrorism in India. Which is substantiated by evidence.


No country in the world would encourage insurgency in it's territory. Should we not be paranoid about it? What logic is that? We will take whatever means necessary to crush the insurgents and ensure safety of the public.
India has had much worse situation in the 80's, Kashmir almost become uncontrollable. In comparison, the current situation in Kashmir is much much better. Did you know there was heavy insurgency in Jammu, forget Kashmir. Now look at the situation. The militancy is left to few districts of Kashmir.
So, do you think India thinks it can't control the state? And it's slipping? No, we have more control over it than ever.


Attack Pakistan how? Almost all Indian PM's except MMS in the past decade have tried and have gone out of their way to make a deal despite strong pressure against it. Every time such a peace deal is close, military would topple the situation. First, your military needs to let the civilian government decide it's foreign policy. Indian civilian leadership or any civilian leadership thinks to avoid conflict, only military leadership thinks of conflict to stay relevant. In India, military is way under the civilian government. Is it the case with Pakistan?

You need to stop pretending it's your military who can't stop thinking about conflict.


Pakistan is not a threat, it is an inconvenience for India, say like DPRK it's a weak, broken ideological state with Nuclear weapons. The only threats for India from Pakistan is Nuclear weapons, Terrorists and Terrorists with Nuclear weapons (if things go awry in Pakistan). That's the only reason world powers tolerate you, it is your nukes getting into the hands of terrorists.

For a cold war to happen you need to at least be compatible in terms of technology, military prowess, economic prowess and size. India dominates the region with geography, economy and population it's the reality you have to live with rather than trying to compete. And I'm enjoying this ride without worrying about some road bumps.

Military, technological prowess???????...................1.4 billion indians invent NOTHING, they just buy it from the West and Russia, even though there are less Westerners and Russians than indians..............and you talk about dominating militarily and technologically????????????......WTF!!!!!!.............


PS india is even more impoverished and starving than North Korea or even the Sub-saharan African nations........:

https://www.mic.com/articles/89515/...rty-in-india-can-their-new-leader-change-that

https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/half-world-s-poor-live-just-5-countries

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/a-third-of-the-worlds-poor-live-in-india-says-un-45376

You indians are nothing. Just all hot air and nothing more......

 

[Skywalker]

Lol..and then you had to bring the religion..s and turbans,,lol..precisely your kind I was talking about. Precisely !

Where the hell religion comes from, I am talking about about the disguise you use to hide your empty head.

Anyways I hope endians are enjoying by holding Pakistani dick.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Ok you're just chatting absolute crap now. India has just recently tried to financially blacklist pk, create a de facto arms embargo on pk by whining to every supplier, try to 'isolate" pk diplomatically (your government's words not mine).

India? Or FATF grey listed you? If you don't do legit things then there is no point talking about the reaction.
Did we force you to use terrorism? Or harbour global terrorists like Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed, Osama Bin Laden.
When you get exposed there will be consequences.

And to airbrush the events of 1947 is pure selection bias. You can't invent your own timeline while cherry picking cause and effect along that timeline. Don't worry too much though - what you are doing is pretty standard among Hindutva apologists.

I didn't claim we are angels, we annexed, made deals with many princely states and territories. So did you towards the western regions. You tried to annex princesly state of Kashmir, only you couldn't get it fully. What it has to do with Hindutva lol.

You shouldn't feel a need to deny the above and try to claim some imaginary moral high ground. You should be transparent and proudly declare your intentions to thwart pk at every level, political, military, economic, diplomatic and social.

So, you're saying we want to invade you? haha and do what? Care to explain. You're not singapore or switzerland sitting on huge wealth. You're just another poor country with all the third world problems, by invading or conquering you it'll only increase our quagmire.

I mean for f'%$- sake your clown government routinely stops sporting and cultural ties, causing financial harm and sporting/cultural damage to Pakistan, and that is despite Pakistan not doing any such thing to provoke your lot. You can't pretend that "security" is the issue as you even refuse to let Pak competitors come to India to compete. International regulators have to intervene embarrassingly to try to curb your arrogance.

Because you send terrorists to kill our civilians and military. What kind of fukery is that? Why keep following the 'bleed by thousand cuts' doctrine? If you experience financial trouble then it's not India's making. Once you had every other country supporting you. Americans were giving you all sorts of aid, also the Canadians and British. While India moved towards USSR, and you used it to build up your military and attack India during Afghan civil war, you used Taliban fighters for fighting in Kashmir. So, in the end it's your own stupid policies made you run to IMF 13 times. Not us.

Your Davis Cup team needed clearance from Modi just last week to play Pakistan.

Your words that India doesn't have a personal beef with Pakistan are laughable when you look at the evidence.

India tries to damage Pakistan at every level of existence and has variable success. Only thanks to Pakistani resilience and sometimes support from sensible allies do we find ways to counter Indian nonsense.

Whatever India does is only a reaction to what Pakistan does in India. Stop providing money and guns for militants in Kashmir, stop trying to push infiltrators into Kashmir, stop terrorism in Indian cities then we can have a normal relation. Until then, we will try to undermine you and put pressure on you. Don't expect us to sit back and watch.

Our military and civilian government are perfectly aligned thanks very much. Meanwhile BJP thinks the Indian military, cultural and sports institutions are all answerable to Modi's own personal whims. You are deluded if you think you live in a democratic society.

haha but we are not sure when will be the next military coup in Pakistan. The last coup was just 19 years back. No elected PM in Pakistans history completed it's term in the 70+ years of it's history. Hopefully Imran does and create history, your military controls your foreign policy and you have the veracity to tell people of largest democracy that it's not a democracy? What's your next gospel? Earth is flat?
Modi is an elected person, whoever rules India are elected by the public of India after they campaigned for months. Whoever put the best idea wins the election.

 

[Skywalker]

Chatrapatti back to his usual chootiapatti.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

I mean for f'%$- sake your clown government routinely stops sporting and cultural ties, causing financial harm and sporting/cultural damage to Pakistan, and that is despite Pakistan not doing any such thing to provoke your lot. You can't pretend that "security" is the issue as you even refuse to let Pak competitors come to India to compete. International regulators have to intervene embarrassingly to try to curb your arrogance.

Your Davis Cup team needed clearance from Modi just last week to play Pakistan.

Your words that India doesn't have a personal beef with Pakistan are laughable when you look at the evidence.

India tries to damage Pakistan at every level of existence and has variable success. Only thanks to Pakistani resilience and sometimes support from sensible allies do we find ways to counter Indian nonsense.

@Chhatrapati


India was humiliated time and again by the intl' sports bodies...thinking India has a prerogative to deny Pakistan the Visas, but the Baniya/Slave mentality stricken Indians wan't learning...now Davis cup tie in Pakistan is coming up and India has obliged to send its team....how humiliating and shameless of Indians to bring politics even in sports...


India lose hosting rights of tennis events amid tense relations with Pakistan ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst




India snooker event postponed over Pakistan visa row

NEW DELHI:

An Indian snooker tournament has been indefinitely postponed in a row over visas for Pakistani athletes following a suicide bomb attack New Delhi has blamed on Pakistan.


The 10 Reds Asian Tour event, scheduled to be held in Bangalore next month, looks likely to be cancelled after organisers said they could not guarantee Pakistani competitors would be allowed into the country.

It follows the International Olympic Committee’s suspension of talks with India on holding major sports events last week after New Delhi refused to issue visas to two Pakistani shooters to take part in a World Cup event.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1917988/7-india-snooker-event-postponed-pakistan-visa-row/




Another humiliation for India...supa powa need to learn and retrospect their worth in intl' bodies. .

IOC withdraws Olympic places from India event over visa row

NEW DELHI: The International Olympic Committee (IOC) on Thursday cancelled places for the 2020 Tokyo Games shooting competition to be awarded at an event in India after the host country refused to give visas to Pakistani athletes, the head of the sport’s governing body said.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...lympic-places-from-india-event-over-visa-row/


How much more humiliation India can take....????

 

[Chhatrapati]

India was humiliated time and again by the intl' sports bodies...thinking India has a prerogative to deny Pakistan the Visas, but the Baniya/Slave mentality stricken Indians wan't learning...now Davis cup tie in Pakistan is coming up and India has obliged to send its team....how humiliating and shameless of Indians to bring politics even in sports...


India lose hosting rights of tennis events amid tense relations with Pakistan ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

LOL! Did you see anyone bat an eye on losing Junior Devis cup hosting rights, or Junior "judo" championship? Pfft!
Come up with something better next time. Humiliation is when called out for being called state sponsors of terrorism or having to harbour globally declared terrorist in your nation. Something to be proud of, as someone called Masood Azha "Sahib", or Hafiz Saeed "Sahib". You still haven't learned and will not learn.

Losing few irrelevant sporting events means shit.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

LOL! Did you see anyone bat an eye on losing Junior Devis cup hosting rights, or Junior "judo" championship? Pfft!
Come up with something better next time. Humiliation is when called out for being called state sponsors of terrorism or having to harbour globally declared terrorist in your nation. Something to be proud of, as someone called Masood Azha "Sahib", or Hafiz Saeed "Sahib". You still haven't learned and will not learn.

Losing few irrelevant sporting events means shit.

@masterchief_mirza


Indians have lost and forgotten the meaning of integrity and keeping their words, truth has taken a backseat and falsehood is taught to Indians...they now revel in it.

Duplicity and deceit, scams and fraudulent means are respected as being smart and useful.

Intolerance is now a new normal in India. Lynchings on Beef, not chanting Jai shri Ram gets you lynched if one happen to be a Muslim, again a new normal in India.

Murderers and terrorists like Pragya Thakur, a terror accused woman and a fan of Mahatma Gandhi's assassin, to parliament. ... Thakur, who prefixes the Hindu religious title sadhvi (holy woman) to her name, has exhorted Indians to vote for the BJP so that “nationalism wins, Hindus win,”

Modi has won, has India...Pakistan has never elected a mass murderer to its parliament, let alone as PM of a country...India did. This is unprecedented and a watershed in India...

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Whatever India does is only a reaction to what Pakistan does in India

This is the fundamental premise of all your posts.

In reality, the cycle began in 1947 with Indian treachery and land grabbing.

You claim that India has no interest in invading Pak and then go on a monologue about poor land, 3rd world etc etc. I never claimed you wanted to occupy all of Pak. You simply want all of Kashmir or even IOK. Pakistan resists that on moral and ideological grounds. If you need to destroy the whole of Pak to achieve that, you will do so. And indeed you will have to because not one molecule in any true Pakistani's body will allow your nation to keep Kashmir against the will of its people. We all see regularly what happens when Hindutva sweeps to power with a huge majority - all the jayshreeram aggressors come out from the woodwork and any minority sane voices are drowned out.

Also as stated, in partition history, certain conversely Hindu-majority Muslim-ruled states were forcibly taken by Hindustan after joining Pakistan. Why should you benefit in such a way but show outright hypocrisy when the converse situation arises, I.e. we forcibly take a Muslim borderland against the wishes of its Hindu king but in line with the wishes of its people??

@Chhatrapati


India was humiliated time and again by the intl' sports bodies...thinking India has a prerogative to deny Pakistan the Visas, but the Baniya/Slave mentality stricken Indians wan't learning...now Davis cup tie in Pakistan is coming up and India has obliged to send its team....how humiliating and shameless of Indians to bring politics even in sports...


India lose hosting rights of tennis events amid tense relations with Pakistan ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst




India snooker event postponed over Pakistan visa row

NEW DELHI:

An Indian snooker tournament has been indefinitely postponed in a row over visas for Pakistani athletes following a suicide bomb attack New Delhi has blamed on Pakistan.


The 10 Reds Asian Tour event, scheduled to be held in Bangalore next month, looks likely to be cancelled after organisers said they could not guarantee Pakistani competitors would be allowed into the country.

It follows the International Olympic Committee’s suspension of talks with India on holding major sports events last week after New Delhi refused to issue visas to two Pakistani shooters to take part in a World Cup event.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1917988/7-india-snooker-event-postponed-pakistan-visa-row/




Another humiliation for India...supa powa need to learn and retrospect their worth in intl' bodies. .

IOC withdraws Olympic places from India event over visa row

NEW DELHI: The International Olympic Committee (IOC) on Thursday cancelled places for the 2020 Tokyo Games shooting competition to be awarded at an event in India after the host country refused to give visas to Pakistani athletes, the head of the sport’s governing body said.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...lympic-places-from-india-event-over-visa-row/


How much more humiliation India can take....????

India is like some baby throwing its toys out its pram every other day because of terrorist attacks that it would happily support if they happened against Pakistan (as it has done throughout its history). Seriously Indian immaturity is funny. Mercifully international regulatory bodies are not overrun by bhakts ....yet.

This remains a great fear though. As always, sheer weight of numbers of bhakts permeating into all facets of society will eventually have an impact.

 

[Imran Khan]

phir sab cards ki batti bana ker apny peechy se le le india . sary cards aik admi ke pass hoon to game ho hi nhi sakti

india have only one card

 

[Chhatrapati]

Indians have lost and forgotten the meaning of integrity and keeping their words, truth has taken a backseat and falsehood is taught to Indians...they now revel in it.

Duplicity and deceit, scams and fraudulent means are respected as being smart and useful.

Intolerance is now a new normal in India. Lynchings on Beef, not chanting Jai shri Ram gets you lynched if one happen to be a Muslim, again a new normal in India.

Murderers and terrorists like Pragya Thakur, a terror accused woman and a fan of Mahatma Gandhi's assassin, to parliament. ... Thakur, who prefixes the Hindu religious title sadhvi (holy woman) to her name, has exhorted Indians to vote for the BJP so that “nationalism wins, Hindus win,”

Modi has won, has India...Pakistan has never elected a mass murderer to its parliament, let alone as PM of a country...India did. This is unprecedented and a watershed in India...

Advise yourself all that. Because the same thing happens in Pakistan too. Don't come and claim all saint.

They are not a threat to the world, neither one of them are declared global terrorists. Their groups are not a threat to Pakistan. Their patron groups, other than making outrageous claims were never involved in inciting terrorism. These groups are not involved in sponsoring terrorism inside Pakistan either. So, why does it concern you? Do you see anyone India raise concern about your mullahs calling for death to blasphemer? You are too much obsessed with what every tom dick and harry does in India. Try to look into your own situations.

Allegations against Modi should be proven in court, the congress had countless chance (10 years). He was subjected to three investigations and was cleared of any charges. Even Supreme court appointed agency didn't see anything incriminating. If every CM who ruled during riots should be imprisoned, then there will be quite a lot.
But Modi managed to steer Gujarat out of communal riots to a Model state. And that's why he got elected because he made the state from bust to boom. Did you hear any Major riots after Gujarat riots? We can't put someone in prison based on someones unilateral wet dream.

Gujarat at the time was reeling from Earth Quake and riot, with no industries. It was basically a Bihar in the West I remember the Mumbai guys who used to make fun of Gujaratis for being job seekers. From there the Gujaratis are seen as Business people now. From being one of the least developed to most developed one. The state still put forward a double digit growth with a GSDP of $220 billion.

@N.Siddiqui you hear troubles from UP, or Bihar or those BIMARU states, there is countless threads on it but when was the last time you heard a major attack on Muslims in Gujarat. I'm not claiming it's heaven in Gujarat, it's still poor in some social indicators especially rural Gujarat.

The development in Gujarat was the reason why people elected him to power. He ruled a state for more than a decade. He didn't wake up one day with a party and become PM of India. Neither he is there because he was born in high class family, or born with a silver spoon in mouth. I personally don't like Modi, but he was elected through a democratic process by the people of India. If a bunch of irrelevant Pakistanis call him mass murderer, doesn't make him one.

This is the fundamental premise of all your posts.

In reality, the cycle began in 1947 with Indian treachery and land grabbing.You claim that India has no interest in invading Pak and then go on a monologue about poor land, 3rd world etc etc. I never claimed you wanted to occupy all of Pak. You simply want all of Kashmir or even IOK. Pakistan resists that on moral and ideological grounds. If you need to destroy the whole of Pak to achieve that, you will do so.

What India does is fair game. If you get any Chance, you would jump at the opportunity to financially undermine India. How come it is treachery? Did India invade Pakistan?

I gave you the reason for not invading you, there is no economic prospects. It's the military fed story of an eminent Indian invasion. In this 21st century, any such plans will be stupid.
1947, Pakistan used tribal groups to attack an take over the princely state. In 1965 you again tried to take over Kashmir by force. Again during 1999, when our PM was having a peace dialogue with your PM, you send your military as Mujahidheen and refused to accept it. These are the instances when Pakistan tried to take over Kashmir.

So, when did India invade AJK and GB?

We all see regularly what happens when Hindutva sweeps to power with a huge majority - all the jayshreeram aggressors come out from the woodwork and any minority sane voices are drowned out.

Once again Pakistanis are worried too much about our internal affairs. Why do you care about something that happens in UP, Bihar or West Bengal? What some idiots do chanting Jaishreeram is not in anyway connected to Pakistan. Our social issues don't affect you or maybe it does, that's why when Babari Masjid was demolished you effectively went on to a strike and demolished temples in Pakistan. Stop obsessing with Indian Muslims and their life. You behave as if you have some authority over our people.

Also as stated, in partition history, certain conversely Hindu-majority Muslim-ruled states were forcibly taken by Hindustan after joining Pakistan. Why should you benefit in such a way but show outright hypocrisy when the converse situation arises, I.e. we forcibly take a Muslim borderland against the wishes of its Hindu king but in line with the wishes of its people??

haha, how do you plan to rule Hyderabad in India from Pakistan? Or say Junagadh?

I know what you aim for, to reach the heights of the Mughals, sorry ain't gonna happen.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

What some idiots do chanting Jaishreeram is not in anyway connected to Pakistan.

It has everything to do with Pakistan. This is precisely why jinnah created Pakistan. To protect us from your hordes of saffron enslaved idiots and their Brahmin masters.

Now guess what else.... Kashmiris also don't wish to go the same way as Indian Muslims.

 

[Chhatrapati]

It has everything to do with Pakistan. This is precisely why jinnah created Pakistan. To protect us from your hordes of saffron enslaved idiots and their Brahmin masters.

Now guess what else.... Kashmiris also don't wish to go the same way as Indian Muslims.

Is it why Jinnah did Direct action day?

What India does inside is none of your business. If tomorrow, after getting Kashmir, what if Pakistan wants Delhi and parts of UP? Because it has largest Urdu speaking people, or Hyderabad because it has muslims?
This is prcisely what Pakistan wants, to conquer India by laying claims on some Muslim majority regions because Jinnah believed Muslims and Hindus cannot live together. Try this with someone else.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Is it why Jinnah did Direct action day?

What India does inside is none of your business. If tomorrow, after getting Kashmir, what if Pakistan wants Delhi and parts of UP? Because it has largest Urdu speaking people, or Hyderabad because it has muslims?
This is prcisely what Pakistan wants, to conquer India by laying claims on some Muslim majority regions because Jinnah believed Muslims and Hindus cannot live together. Try this with someone else.

Paranoia has taken hold within your billion capacity echo chamber.

The simple and hard evidence of the saffron hordes and their widely documented antics would suggest the polar opposite of your theories - that bhaktistan actually seeks to hindufy India's Muslims, within India proper and also next phase, within Kashmir. It is for this reason that Jinnah has been proven right, irrefutably. If Pakistan didn't exist and we all lived under Modi, the attempts at hindufication or gharwapsi as you call it would spread from chittagong to quetta.

 

[Chhatrapati]

The simple and hard evidence of the saffron hordes and their widely documented antics would suggest the polar opposite of your theories - that bhaktistan actually seeks to hindufy India's Muslims, within India proper and also next phase, within Kashmir. It is for this reason that Jinnah has been proven right, irrefutably. If Pakistan didn't exist and we all lived under Modi, the attempts at hindufication or gharwapsi as you call it would spread from chittagong to quetta.

Are you talking in English? Try to make a sentence without gibberish.