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Norway has made India a permanent invitee to its back-channel peace talks on Afghanistan, to the chagrin of Pakistan.

Close on the heels of the jolt to Islamabad will come Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s visit to India next week to discuss, among other issues, the political dynamics in his country after Afghan Peace Council chairman Burhanuddin Rabbani’s assassination earlier this month.

India is among a dozen countries whose representatives gathered today in the Netherlands for the Afghan talks — part of a series the Norwegians had initiated a few months ago, away from the media’s gaze. Today’s “official” meeting follows secret sessions in Oslo, Dubai and Istanbul.

The invitees include Afghanistan’s neighbours such as Iran, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Pakistan, besides Turkey and the five permanent United Nations Security Council members — Russia, the UK, the US, China and France.

Sources said the Norwegian efforts were aimed at bringing all of Afghanistan’s neighbours on a common platform to work towards rebuilding the nation together with the “good Taliban” — elements of the militia seen as less conservative and open to talks.

India has in the past year dropped its aversion to negotiating with the faction if its leaders abjure violence and abide by the Afghan constitution. Rabbani, who was friendly towards New Delhi, was a crucial link in the talks and his death has come as a blow to India’s interests.

The sources said New Delhi had no illusions that Afghanistan’s neighbours, particularly Pakistan, would agree to a common strategy.

“It is unlikely that Pakistan will ever concede that India has legitimate interests in the Afghan peace process. But we believe that the Norwegian diplomatic effort, or any other such move, to explore possible solutions to the Afghan problem is important,” said a source.

The Norwegians are likely to hold two more back-channel meetings this year as precursors to a December conference on Afghanistan in Bonn. Germany has invited 90 countries to the conference. The two preparatory meetings will seek to finalise the draft of a pact between the major stakeholders, who include India.

Karzai’s India visit next week will also be important. New Delhi needs to prepare for a future after US-led international forces leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014, at a time the Taliban is regrouping and Pakistan has refused to take on the Haqqani network, blamed for Rabbani’s assassination.

Defence minister A.K. Antony underlined the concerns earlier this week. “The Taliban is in resurgence. After the US leaves Afghanistan, a resurgent Taliban will be the biggest security challenge for India.”

South Block officials are now redrawing their strategy. Although the security concerns persist, there is a sense of satisfaction that barring Pakistan, all other players with an interest in a peaceful Afghanistan feel that India has a pivotal role to play if a solution is to be found.

India gets Afghan peace talks slot
 
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Does India have any contacts with Afghan Taliban, the men with real power in Afghanistan? No. So stop dreaming.

There'll be two options for Karzai once U.S. leaves Afghanistan, either he'll be assasinated or exiled.


Therefore, we cannot talk to anyone but to Pakistan," Mr Karzai told the meeting.

BBC News - Karzai abandons peace talks with the Taliban
 
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Whether or not India will play an important role in Afghanistan depends on the courage of the Indian Nation. Of course Pakistan will oppose Indian involvement tooth and nail. So, India will play a meaningful role only if India can suck up the courage to be on Afghanistan's side, even though it may provoke more terrorism in India from Pakistan. That is, more innocent Indian deaths in the cause of Afghani freedom and autonomy. Is India ready to be a major world power? Only if it has the courage and stamina to confront terrorism. I think the jury is out on that question. India's pacifist culture may exclude it from being a true player on the World scene. Pakistan's stomach for wielding terrorism may trump India's soft power.
 
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There can be no peace talks in Afghanistan without Pakistan's involvement. Any talks that excludes Pakistan is bound to fail. Look at the map of Pakistan and Afghanistan and you will know why. Leaving Pakistan means you are leaving Taliban / Pashtoon out and that is the majority of Afghanistan's Population.
 
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Whether or not India will play an important role in Afghanistan depends on the courage of the Indian Nation. Of course Pakistan will oppose Indian involvement tooth and nail. So, India will play a meaningful role only if India can suck up the courage to be on Afghanistan's side, even though it may provoke more terrorism in India from Pakistan. That is, more innocent Indian deaths in the cause of Afghani freedom and autonomy. Is India ready to be a major world power? Only if it has the courage and stamina to confront terrorism. I think the jury is out on that question. India's pacifist culture may exclude it from being a true player on the World scene. Pakistan's stomach for wielding terrorism may trump India's soft power.


Afghan people's reconciliation should not be held hostage to India or Pakistan's Strategic Interest. It should really be about Pashtoon and other ethnic minorities reconciliation, so that they can get on with their lives. Have'nt these poor people suffered enough in last 30 years ?
 
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Afghan people's reconciliation should not be held hostage to India or Pakistan's Strategic Interest. It should really be about Pashtoon and other ethnic minorities reconciliation, so that they can get on with their lives. Have'nt these poor people suffered enough in last 30 years ?

I, personally, absolutely agree with your sentiment. Now, please convince the folks in charge of Pakistan, whose flag you proudly fly as your "nationality".
 
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South Block officials are now redrawing their strategy. Although the security concerns persist, there is a sense of satisfaction that barring Pakistan, all other players with an interest in a peaceful Afghanistan feel that India has a pivotal role to play if a solution is to be found.
This is great. We really needed to be on this talks and it is great that we are now included. Karzai's visit to India is also at a crucial time. I think we should start flexing some muscle because we need Afganistan to be peaceful and favorable to India and for that being part of this meeting was the first hurdle which we have crossed.

We should show Karzai that we are the actual friend of Afgansitan. I also think these talks should be initiated by us not Norway...What do they have to do with Afganistan.

Good thing for us is we have good relations with most of the countries in the talks except China and Pakistan and i don't know about Turkmenistan. We can use this.

We should also start supporting Afganistan by secretly providing them with weapons. We can sell them helicopters especially the new LCH and Dhruvs and we can also sell them Pinaka, Akash, arjun etc. We can also give them some of the retiring equipments. Most importantly we should sell them BFSR and UAVs so that they can create surveillance along their border.
 
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I can assure you Pakistan will not meddle in Afghanistan if India would stop meddling. You see India sees Afghanistan as a way to encircle Pakistan and that is the main reason why Pakistan wants to protect itself by moving in. I think both Pakistan and India should get the friggin hell out of Afghanistan and let the people of Afghanistan work it out. But It will be hard for India to stay away so we are locked in this deadly gamesmanship.

As for the flags, I fly flags of both my homes with equal pride, Indian ( you are not fooling anyone, Indian ).
 
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This is great. We really needed to be on this talks and it is great that we are now included. Karzai's visit to India is also at a crucial time. I think we should start flexing some muscle because we need Afganistan to be peaceful and favorable to India and for that being part of this meeting was the first hurdle which we have crossed.

Yea its great that you are in talks with the mayor of Kabul :lol:

Yea flex your muscles to Karzai, he'll be gone from the region the same day U.S. and NATO are out of the region.
 
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Bl[i]tZ;2152154 said:
Norway has made India a permanent invitee to its back-channel peace talks on Afghanistan, to the chagrin of Pakistan.

Close on the heels of the jolt to Islamabad will come Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s visit to India next week to discuss, among other issues, the political dynamics in his country after Afghan Peace Council chairman Burhanuddin Rabbani’s assassination earlier this month.

India is among a dozen countries whose representatives gathered today in the Netherlands for the Afghan talks — part of a series the Norwegians had initiated a few months ago, away from the media’s gaze. Today’s “official” meeting follows secret sessions in Oslo, Dubai and Istanbul.

The invitees include Afghanistan’s neighbours such as Iran, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Pakistan, besides Turkey and the five permanent United Nations Security Council members — Russia, the UK, the US, China and France.

Sources said the Norwegian efforts were aimed at bringing all of Afghanistan’s neighbours on a common platform to work towards rebuilding the nation together with the “good Taliban” — elements of the militia seen as less conservative and open to talks.

India has in the past year dropped its aversion to negotiating with the faction if its leaders abjure violence and abide by the Afghan constitution. Rabbani, who was friendly towards New Delhi, was a crucial link in the talks and his death has come as a blow to India’s interests.

The sources said New Delhi had no illusions that Afghanistan’s neighbours, particularly Pakistan, would agree to a common strategy.

“It is unlikely that Pakistan will ever concede that India has legitimate interests in the Afghan peace process. But we believe that the Norwegian diplomatic effort, or any other such move, to explore possible solutions to the Afghan problem is important,” said a source.

The Norwegians are likely to hold two more back-channel meetings this year as precursors to a December conference on Afghanistan in Bonn. Germany has invited 90 countries to the conference. The two preparatory meetings will seek to finalise the draft of a pact between the major stakeholders, who include India.

Karzai’s India visit next week will also be important. New Delhi needs to prepare for a future after US-led international forces leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014, at a time the Taliban is regrouping and Pakistan has refused to take on the Haqqani network, blamed for Rabbani’s assassination.

Defence minister A.K. Antony underlined the concerns earlier this week. “The Taliban is in resurgence. After the US leaves Afghanistan, a resurgent Taliban will be the biggest security challenge for India.”

South Block officials are now redrawing their strategy. Although the security concerns persist, there is a sense of satisfaction that barring Pakistan, all other players with an interest in a peaceful Afghanistan feel that India has a pivotal role to play if a solution is to be found.

India gets Afghan peace talks slot


You sound like a nerdy kid who cannot believe he got asked to the High School Prom by homecoming queen.
 
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I can assure you Pakistan will not meddle in Afghanistan if India would stop meddling. You see India sees Afghanistan as a way to encircle Pakistan and that is the main reason why Pakistan wants to protect itself by moving in. I think both Pakistan and India should get the friggin hell out of Afghanistan and let the people of Afghanistan work it out. But It will be hard for India to stay away so we are locked in this deadly gamesmanship.

As for the flags, I fly flags of both my homes with equal pride, Indian ( you are not fooling anyone, Indian ).

See, just like you think its India's move that prompts Pakistan to act in Afg, Indians think the exact opposite.. Hence no one will make the 1st move..
 
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Nice one.. But may be more apt for the Mullen's tongue lashing of Pakistan thread.... Specially if you listen to the lyrics of the song.. "Khud ko bhi humne mita dala magar, Faasle jo darmiyan the reh gaye...
................Hum wafa kar ke bhi tanha reh gaye "
 
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Yea its great that you are in talks with the mayor of Kabul

Yea flex your muscles to Karzai, he'll be gone from the region the same day U.S. and NATO are out of the region.
If that happens it think our government has also started the plans to talk with peace favoring section of taliban. I think we should get involve more and more and hold talks with taliban leaders till Pak is busy with their own problems.
 
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You sound like a nerdy kid who cannot believe he got asked to the High School Prom by homecoming queen.

Pakistanisage, Sir,

Is this reply the best you are capable of? Please re-read it, and, ask yourself if your own reply is not glaringly immature. "You sound"? The opening post was a news/opinion article being quoted, not the musing of a "high school" adolescent. Your posts are not worthy of a "sage" of the Pakistani nation.
 
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