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India is the latest and largest nation to consider giving cash handouts to its citizens in an effort to alleviate endemic poverty.

The notion, often called "universal basic income," has been gaining traction recently even in places that don't have the same problems with poverty that India does, as the world's second-most populous country.

India's national poverty level was 70 percent when the country gained its independence in 1947, according to the report, and 22 percent in 2011- 2012, the most recent year for which data are available. Despite "making remarkable progress," a poverty rate of 22 percent in a nation with more than 1.3 billion people means more than a couple hundred million people are suffering.

The "radical option" of universal basic income "may simply be the fastest way of reducing poverty," the report says.

In many places, leaders are considering experimenting with UBI in response to technological developments like automation that make human workers redundant. The rise of robots makes universal basic income an inevitability in the U.S., claims Elon Musk. Finland is in the midst of running a pilot program and Oakland, Calif., is gearing up to try its own program, too.

India's highly anticipated annual Economic Survey, released Tuesday, includes an entire chapter detailing the reasons why UBI could benefit the nation. It also lists the risks.

Ultimately the report proposes a payment of 7620 Indian Rupees per year, which is about $113, according to current exchange rates.

If robots take your job, the government might have to pay you to live

Even relatively small amounts of cash would still have a tremendous impact, the report says, noting that UBI is "more feasible in a country like India, where it can be pegged at relatively low levels of income but still yield immense welfare gains."

And current assistance programs aren't effective. "In India in particular, the case for UBI has been enhanced because of the weakness of existing welfare schemes which are riddled with misallocation, leakages and exclusion of the poor," the report states.

Sarath Davala, coordinator of the India Network for Basic Income, cautions that none of this means UBI will be implemented overnight.

"It is very likely that Indian government will introduce a modified version of the universal basic income model. But not now," Davala tells CNBC. "They have just sent out a feeler in this budget."

And even if a cash handout is implemented in India, Davala says that he expects it won't be granted to every resident.

"Universal is an ideal, not a sacred vow," says Davala.

That's because the population of India is so vast.

"If we talk of, say, a 1000 rupees per person per month, you immediately multiply it with 1.3 billion. Even the most radical anarchist would need a strong drink before proposing it. So, the U letter in the UBI is a non-starter in India," says Davala.

"THE U LETTER IN THE UBI IS A NON-STARTER IN INDIA."-Sarath Davala, coordinator of the India Network for Basic Income

He suggests rolling out a program that gives cash payments to the poorest 10 percent of the country first and then to 40 percent of the poorest people.

Most of the estimates Davala has seen for a cash payment in India range from $74 or 5,000 Indian rupees per year to $178 or 12,000 per year.

As with all basic income programs, the goal is not to sideline would-be workers. Instead, the goal is to ensure every human being is able to eat and get by and still have an incentive to find a job.

WHAT WOULD GANDHI DO

The Indian Economic Survey weighs the pros and cons of universal basic income through the lens of what Mahatma Gandhi might have said about it. Unfortunately, Gandhi has made proclamations that could be understood to support either side.

Here's Gandhi for cash handouts, as cited by the Indian government:

"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man [woman] whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him [her]. Will he [she] gain anything by it? Will it restore him [her] to a control over his [her] own life and destiny?

"In other words, will it lead to swaraj [freedom] for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."

And here's Gandhi against handouts, as cited by the Indian government:

"My ahimsa would not tolerate the idea of giving a free meal to a healthy person who has not worked for it in some honest way, and if I had the power I would stop every Sadavarta where free meals are given. It has degraded the nation and it has encouraged laziness, idleness, hypocrisy and even crime. Such misplaced charity adds nothing to the wealth of the country, whether material or spiritual, and gives a false sense of meritoriousness to the donor.

"How nice and wise it would be if the donor were to open institutions where they would give meals under healthy, clean surroundings to men and women who would work for them … Only the rule should be: no labour, no meal."

In the end, the Indian government seems to conclude that Gandhi would be in favor of helping the needy.

"The Mahatma as astute political observer would have anxieties about UBI as being just another add-on government programme. But on balance he may have given the go-ahead to the UBI," the report says.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/01/indi...andouts-to-citizens-to-eliminate-poverty.html
 
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The idea of dole in India is bad , i would rather the govt find some sort of an employment guarantee scheme like MENREGA rather then give out free cash , making people dependant on the dole will have a bad social impact in the long run.
 
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NO.....Absolutely fucking No...NO...no no no no NOOOOOO no
 
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Copying Pakistan - Benezir Income Support Programme > http://bisp.gov.pk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Income_Support_Programme
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/pakistan-reaching-the-poorest-through-cash-transfers

This began in 2008 but built upon the more limited Zakat Fund which began in early 1980s. BISP payment card.

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Pakistan is already doing it with Benazir income support program (BISP).
It will give people disposable income which can help generate growth.
 
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Finally :-)

CONgress introduced stupid 'Ration shops' for poor instead direct income support to prevent corruption and give Necessities/food to people.Slowly Ration shops became more corrupt than filthy judiciary (top postilion in corruption).

Now,through Aadhar card and banking channels 99% money credited to correct persons and so 99% corruption will be eliminated (in this Cash handouts system).
 
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Idiotic idea. UBI will never work out in a huge country like India. People will never spend on necessities and we should not give free money to drunkards and wastards.
Just provide subsidy through Aadhar card. Enough.
 
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Shelve the idea till robot takes all our jobs.
 
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report proposes a payment of 7620 Indian Rupees per year, which is about $113

Copying Pakistan - Benezir Income Support Programme > http://bisp.gov.pk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Income_Support_Programme
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/pakistan-reaching-the-poorest-through-cash-transfers

This began in 2008 but built upon the more limited Zakat Fund which began in early 1980s. BISP payment card.

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Pakistan is already doing it with Benazir income support program (BISP).
It will give people disposable income which can help generate growth.

and Pakistan Under BISP distribute USD 195 Per annum. which is 82 dollars more then what India is Planning.

So. we win. :D
 
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Few questions to those who are opposing this move.

1. Money to be transferred through account and everyone needs to have an account. Is it not a good idea?

2. If subsidies can take 3/4% of GDP and same amount is spent what's the issue?

3. If everyone having an account takes salary then won't it stop some nonsense schemes by states like 1 rupee chai and chawal? Where they take centre money and give freebees in the name of votes?

4. When you can stop state expenditures on this then are you not saving a large corpus of funds ?

5. Reduction of poverty target is .5% I think that's conservative? Is it not?

6. I agree that idea has demerits but has NO merit needs to be justified.

So take your time and come back with answers. It's a nice thing to debate.

@Rain Man @Rajaraja Chola @Star Wars @IndoCarib
 
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Finally :-)

CONgress introduced stupid 'Ration shops' for poor instead direct income support to prevent corruption and give Necessities/food to people.Slowly Ration shops became more corrupt than filthy judiciary (top postilion in corruption).

Now,through Aadhar card and banking channels 99% money credited to correct persons and so 99% corruption will be eliminated (in this Cash handouts system).


Asking out of curiosity. Do an Indian "always" need ration card to purchase food items from "any" shop ? or is it for some specific "government shops/stores". ?

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6. I agree that idea has demerits but has NO merit needs to be justified.

On a serious note. India can study the Pakistani Version of this Program as implementing UK version or experimenting other one will not work but conditions of Pakistan and India are much "same". and that way India can avoid "mistakes and problems" if there are any in our one. Inshort, You should modify BISP as per your needs and environment.

It's a good thing yaar. India should go for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Income_Support_Programme
 
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Simple lazy idea but still may be comparatively effective as scope for corruption is very less.. Massive investment in education sector is only remedy for most of problems in all societies.. Everything else is paint job..
 
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Providing employment opportunities should be the answer . India already provides ridiculous amount of subsidies on food & medicine .

That said ,we can make exceptions .our farmers really need the money . and no reservation bullshit , give equal employment opportunities. Generate more jobs.
 
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Few questions to those who are opposing this move.

1. Money to be transferred through account and everyone needs to have an account. Is it not a good idea?

2. If subsidies can take 3/4% of GDP and same amount is spent what's the issue?

3. If everyone having an account takes salary then won't it stop some nonsense schemes by states like 1 rupee chai and chawal? Where they take centre money and give freebees in the name of votes?

4. When you can stop state expenditures on this then are you not saving a large corpus of funds ?

5. Reduction of poverty target is .5% I think that's conservative? Is it not?

6. I agree that idea has demerits but has NO merit needs to be justified.

So take your time and come back with answers. It's a nice thing to debate.

@Rain Man @Rajaraja Chola @Star Wars @IndoCarib

Great move , no doubt. Direct Cash handouts are way better than other 'mediums' of doling out like MNREGA which only gives more room for corruption in a country like ours. Subsidy any other form should be done with FOREVER. I am all for it.
 
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