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India concerned about widening trade deficit with China

India concerned about widening trade deficit with China | Business Standard

The Commerce Ministry here has expressed its concern over the widening trade deficit with China, and warned that this won't be sustainable in the long term.

This view was conveyed, when representatives of both countries met on Monday to explore greater business opportunities between the countries.

The India-China Business Matchmaking Symposium in New Delhi was organised by the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and Trade Development Bureau (TDB) of China, in the backdrop of exponential growth in the trade sector between the two countries in the last few years.

Joint Secretary of the Commerce Ministry Asit Tripathy said that India's engineering goods, petroleum downstream products, agriculture based commodities and pharmaceuticals along with other services were internationally competitive and should be made available in the Chinese markets as well.

He added that the countries needed to collaborate to bring evenness in the trade between the two countries.

"What is worrying (indications) to government of India and to the Indian industry is that we have a very large trade deficit. So, we need to collaborate with each other so that we have evenness to our trade, because in uneven trade like this is not sustainable in the long run," said Tripathy.

The Chinese business delegation headed by Vice Director General of Chinese Trade Development Bureau (TDB) Jia Guoyong consisted of delegates from various sectors of business and trade.

While addressing the delegates, Chairman of CII National MSME (Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises) Council, Deep Kapuria said that the countries were taking steps to cope with increasing trade imbalance.

He added that the Indian industries should benefit from this collaboration.

"Now, it is at the end of the Indian businesses to look at how they can take this opportunity forward (and) engage with the companies not only today but with the help of the Chinese embassy (and) with CII (Confederation of Indian Industry) having their office in Shanghai in the future, and participating in the delegation to move this business relationship forward," said Kapuria.

In the meet, the delegations of the both countries also signed 15 Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) worth USD 338 million, in wide range of sectors.

Following Indian complaints about the size of the trade deficit with its neighbour, earlier in May this year, China's Premier Li Keqiang had said that China and India had agreed on a roadmap to reach a "dynamic balance" in bilateral trade between the two nations.
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The above article proves one thing --> Indians love Chinese products but Chinese people are not interested in Indian products !
 
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Well, here is the honest and sincere question. What exactly can India offer China?

Some of the earlier articles on the issue states that India is trying to getting into banking, finance and IT sectors in China since these are some of the things India is known for, but there is several very serious problem associated with this proposal.

1. There is zero chance China is going to hand any control of its finance and banking market to foreign entities. If the financial crisis of 97 and 08, as well as the lesser storms of 06 taught us anything, that is a nation MUST maintain firm control of its financial market in order to weather the storm. China is lucky in the fact that it already has good control over its banks and stocks, this is why China handled the financial crisis better than all other nations. There is simply no way China is going to give up such a powerful tool.

2. Chinese domestic IT business is literally about 10 times the size of the entire India IT sector. Security issues aside, the competition is pretty stiff already in Chinese market. Indian IT simply doesn't offer anything that Chinese IT sector doesn't already have in spades.

The problem with trading industrial power house like China is there are really only two category of things you can offer them---resource and high tech. Here lays the dilemma. India is not really a resource exporter. The technological gap between India and China also means there isn't much India can offer in high tech market. Hence the difficulty in balancing the trade.
 
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Well, here is the honest and sincere question. What exactly can India offer China?

Some of the earlier articles on the issue states that India is trying to getting into banking, finance and IT sectors in China since these are some of the things India is known for, but there is several very serious problem associated with this proposal.

1. There is zero chance China is going to hand any control of its finance and banking market to foreign entities. If the financial crisis of 97 and 08, as well as the lesser storms of 06 taught us anything, that is a nation MUST maintain firm control of its financial market in order to weather the storm. China is lucky in the fact that it already has good control over its banks and stocks, this is why China handled the financial crisis better than all other nations. There is simply no way China is going to give up such a powerful tool.

2. Chinese domestic IT business is literally about 10 times the size of the entire India IT sector. Security issues aside, the competition is pretty stiff already in Chinese market. Indian IT simply doesn't offer anything that Chinese IT sector doesn't already have in spades.

The problem with trading industrial power house like China is there are really only two category of things you can offer them---resource and high tech. Here lays the dilemma. India is not really a resource exporter. The technological gap between India and China also means there isn't much India can offer in high tech market. Hence the difficulty in balancing the trade.

Did you pull that bolded part from your hat ??

Chinese software industry is worth 2.5 Trillion CNY (40 billion USD)

China Software Industry Reached RMB 2.5 Trillion - New Market Research Report Available At Researchmoz.us

India's domestic software industry worth is 10 billion USD. IT exports are worth 70 billion.
 
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Did you pull that bolded part from your hat ??

Chinese software industry is worth 2.5 Trillion CNY (40 billion USD)

China Software Industry Reached RMB 2.5 Trillion - New Market Research Report Available At Researchmoz.us

India's domestic software industry worth is 10 billion USD. IT exports are worth 70 billion.

hey frog in the well read this

China's software industry revenue touches $311 billion - Economic ...
China's software industry revenue touches $311 billion - Economic Times
 
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Did you pull that bolded part from your hat ??

Chinese software industry is worth 2.5 Trillion CNY (40 billion USD)

China Software Industry Reached RMB 2.5 Trillion - New Market Research Report Available At Researchmoz.us

India's domestic software industry worth is 10 billion USD. IT exports are worth 70 billion.

Official link from Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information:
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Wikipedia link for non-Chinese speakers:
Software industry in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chinese software software industry stands at $416 billion in 2012.

Hmm, it seems I forgot the export portion of India IT-BPO industry. So I will revise my statement. The Chinese software industry stands at 5 times the size of India software instead of 10. Still, my point stands, it is pretty stiff competition.
 
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Well, here is the honest and sincere question. What exactly can India offer China?

Some of the earlier articles on the issue states that India is trying to getting into banking, finance and IT sectors in China since these are some of the things India is known for, but there is several very serious problem associated with this proposal.

1. There is zero chance China is going to hand any control of its finance and banking market to foreign entities. If the financial crisis of 97 and 08, as well as the lesser storms of 06 taught us anything, that is a nation MUST maintain firm control of its financial market in order to weather the storm. China is lucky in the fact that it already has good control over its banks and stocks, this is why China handled the financial crisis better than all other nations. There is simply no way China is going to give up such a powerful tool.

2. Chinese domestic IT business is literally about 10 times the size of the entire India IT sector. Security issues aside, the competition is pretty stiff already in Chinese market. Indian IT simply doesn't offer anything that Chinese IT sector doesn't already have in spades.

The problem with trading industrial power house like China is there are really only two category of things you can offer them---resource and high tech. Here lays the dilemma. India is not really a resource exporter. The technological gap between India and China also means there isn't much India can offer in high tech market. Hence the difficulty in balancing the trade.


Indians should stop whining and actually start producing products that the Chinese want!

One area that Indians will be able to start mass exports to China will be low-end sector like garments as the Chinese will slowly start moving away from production of textiles, due to their quickly rising labour costs.By 2020, China will simply not be able to produce garments anymore due to their cost of labour.

There is no way that Indians will be able to compete with China is sectors such as auto-mobiles, household appliances.

The situation is the same for BD, so Indians should not feel that they are being harshly treated.
 
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The U.S. has been complaining about trade deficit problem with China for over 30 years and it's still getting larger and larger every year. E.U. has trade deficit with China too. But the difference is the U.S. and E.U. do have things that China want to buy but they don't want to sell (as if it matters a tiny bit to China's progression :disagree:). India really has little that China want to buy.
 
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Indians can start making their own flip flops so they don't have to buy from China.
Indians can start making their own deity statues so they don't have to import them from China.
Indians can start making their electronics, including the basic components so they don't have to buy them from China.
Indians can start to be self sufficient, so they don't have to ........
to cut down the import cost.

Instead of trying to break into the Chinese market when they are not ready to compete.
 
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Indians should stop whining and actually start producing products that the Chinese want!

One area that Indians will be able to start mass exports to China will be low-end sector like garments as the Chinese will slowly start moving away from production of textiles, due to their quickly rising labour costs.By 2020, China will simply not be able to produce garments anymore due to their cost of labour.

There is no way that Indians will be able to compete with China is sectors such as auto-mobiles, household appliances.

The situation is the same for BD, so Indians should not feel that they are being harshly treated.

To be honest, one area that India actually has a good shot is agriculture production. Due to its location, India has a lot of lands that can be turned into farms and the sunlight and temperature is sufficient for three rounds of crop per year throughout India, but currently it is sitting at 3/4 of the Chinese agricultural production (using PPP, the gap using nominal GDP is even higher) using more farmable land. This is despite the fact that China is a lot farther north and many Chinese farm land only go for one round of harvest per year due to higher latitude. Granted, modern agricultural require investment into water storage via dams (which can be using to control flood and generate electricity on top of irrigation), as well as chemical industry for producing fertilizers, but this is the one area India SHOULD have an actually advantage over other countries.
 
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Join the long list of countries that have the same complains India. Unlike India, countries like the US has things we want like high-tech goods they refuse to export. But India has nothing we want. We have pretty much everything in the low-tech and middle-tech goods produced domestically. As someone said we only need 2 things, resources and high-tech goods. India only has iron ore as resource exports we buy. Indian outsourcing IT companies cannot compete with our IT companies due to the language barrier and because the IT sector in China is the most competitive of all sectors.

India will have to just live with this deficit for a long time until they have something that we need.
 
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