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India can't trust Benazir as Pak PM: M K Narayanan
17 Dec 2007.

NEW DELHI: India is sceptical of a future Pakistani government under the stewardship of Benazir Bhutto.

In one of the first comments by the Indian leadership on a future Pakistani government, National Security Advisor M K Narayanan said, "Her track record is not necessarily something that would make us believe that she will follow to the letter and the spirit of what she has said."

In an interview to a TV channel, Narayanan was doubtful whether Benazir could follow through with her promises that she would close down terror camps, private militia and even flirted with the possibility of giving India access to Jaish-e-Mohammed's Masood Azhar and LeT's Hafiz Saeed. "It's difficult to believe she will.

One has to go by what she did in the 90s, so one is sceptical... even if she wishes to do so, the single most important entity in Pakistan remains the army and the ISI and I find it extremely difficult to believe that prime minister Benazir Bhutto, if she becomes that, will have a free hand in doing all the things that she wishes to do," Narayanan said.

It's the first time India has openly talked about Benazir's lousy record with terror — she is generally regarded as the founder of the Taliban, along with her minister Nasrullah Babar. She had openly admitted to being the one to cement Pakistan's nuclear proliferation ties with North Korea and under her tutelage, terror camps against India had flourished. Narayanan's comments also coincide with foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee's statement welcoming the lifting of emergency in Pakistan.

Musharraf, however, comes in for "grudging respect" by the NSA. He reaffirmed India's official line that it would continue to do business with Musharraf. "I must say there is a certain amount of grudging respect for the manner in which president Musharraf has managed to overcome his previous struggles. He's moved from a military president to a civilian president. He's managed to see there is no boycott to the election to the assembly. To some extent, he has managed to ride (it out). At least definitely in the short term it should be possible (for him to succeed). If he manages to do so in the long term then, of course, he's a very able person," Narayanan said.


Musharraf remains India's favourite Pakistani leader, and while Musharraf's popularity may be ebbing in his own country, in India as in Washington, he is a "credible interlocutor". "We will do business with whoever has the stamp of approval in Pakistan," Narayanan said.

He added that while in the longer term Musharraf's future depended on the army standing united as well loyal to him, as of now "I don't see any sign of cracks in the system". "If you take the corps commanders and generals, they are all on the same wave length. When ambition emerges it may be different. But at the moment, I don't see any major cracks," the NSA said.

But the immediate future in Pakistan is more cloudy from the Indian standpoint than either Pakistani or American.

Putting his finger on the nub of the issue, Narayanan said, "The basic point is how does a civilian President play out in Pakistan when the army is still the dominant force? Next, we will have a Prime Minister shortly.

Therefore you will have three authorities or centres of power - a civilian President, the Army Chief and the Prime Minister - as against one single unified element earlier.
 
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So what now? Wasnt US more then enough, india suddenly jumped in because it cannot let go her mother india status. The way i see it BB is the best option for india as she's the only person that can be expected to go up to anylevel. The reason india issued such a statement was to actually encourage the people of pakistan to see how anti india she is and thus win the hearts and minds of the ignorant pakistanies. What a lousy and pathetic attempt? Do indians really believe pakistanies are such fools to actually buy this crap. The women who handed them the most important file on the basis of which operation was conducted against sikhs suddenly becomes anti indian and india doesnt trust her. Woww
 
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Don't think either Pak can trust Benazir Bhutto as Pak pm.

ha ha .. how true.

There should be some sort of "treason law" - under which if you make statements that call for damaging Pakistan, its economy, its national security etc., you are declared ineligible to run for any public office!
 
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Icecold,

BB is too self centred for anyone to trust her.

It is not India's mother status that is involved.

It is just that the Indo Pak equation is more emotive than any other and each are concerned about the same.

This forum would indicate this emotive scenario. There are more Indian on this (including those banned) than any other non Pakistani members or at least those who are actively interacting.

Why so?

Because the Indo Pak scenario affects all usually more than other international issues.

But if you are happy with BB, please vote her in and damn anyone's opinion!

It is after all a free world.

And it has been assured that it will be a free and fair election!
 
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But if you are happy with BB, please vote her in and damn anyone's opinion!

Isnt this what india does want in reality! vote BB in. Other wise if you had read my post well, you wouldnt be saying so. However you can say if i can, i'll vote her out and yes damn anyone's opinion. After all its a free world.
 
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I think india is right most of my indian friends prefer musharraf too as do I.
 
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Isnt this what india does want in reality! vote BB in. Other wise if you had read my post well, you wouldnt be saying so. However you can say if i can, i'll vote her out and yes damn anyone's opinion. After all its a free world.


I have read your post.

No chance that India wants BB in, chum.

Musharraf has given the sense of moving in the direction of peace. That is most important than those who are not sincere about anything.

I leave it to the Pakistani members to indicate how much BB has bent backwards to be loyal to the King than the King himself. That is if you know what I mean!
 
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If one see BB's track record, she can do anything for money. Maybe she gave the list Sikh Freedom Fighters to Rajiv Gandhi in exchange for $'s. During her self exile she has made many trips to India and propagated Anti Pakistan sentiments with various High Government officials from Civil to Military. So, why wouldn't they like to see her come in power.
This is yet another RAW game.
 
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If one see BB's track record, she can do anything for money. Maybe she gave the list Sikh Freedom Fighters to Rajiv Gandhi in exchange for $'s. During her self exile she has made many trips to India and propagated Anti Pakistan sentiments with various High Government officials from Civil to Military. So, why wouldn't they like to see her come in power.
This is yet another RAW game.

Paranoid.

India is not supporting BB for good reasons that anyone who knows history will tell you.

Ask Icecold. He has posted his comments!
 
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I don't blame the Indians for not trusting BB as the Pakistani PM...us Pakistanis don't trust her either :lol:....this time around as well it seems she is pushing somebody else's agenda. Last time, it was Mr.10% whose agenda she was working on.
 
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I can see how this issue is of utmost importance to India and highly doubt it has anything to do with a "mother India" status. What happens in Pakistan has potential ramifications for a billion+ people.

Both BB and Musharraf have been aggressively courting Indians at home and abroad because of the rapidly changing strategic and socioeconomic scenarios.

Everything they've conveyed to the NRI audiences has been very sound and positive in nature. Barring the finger pointing and bad mouthing each other, these have been their primary messages:

1. The fate and future prospects of both nations are intertwined.
2. Security of India is directly proportional to stability in Pakistan.
3.India can't possibly think of becoming a superpower if Pakistan remains unstable.
4. Pakistan's future as a stable and prosperous nation is heavily dependent upon normalizing relations with India- (This point was made by US diplomats who were touring with both the parties).
5. A vast socioeconomic disparity among two bordering states is potentially dangerous.
6. India has to put it's pride aside and bring Pakistan into the economic fold because it can also be very mutually beneficial.

Each party has addressed the above mentioned points by putting forth their own plans.

At first I found a few of these (#s 2, 3 and 5) a little awkward because it almost sounds as if India is being held hostage... but the points are very valid and have to be accepted as reality.

My thoughts on the matter:

I don't think prior history can really be used against any candidate now because they all have a colorful past vis a vis anti-Indian activity which has cost India a lot of money and lives.

Musharraf has made a 180 in his policies towards India since taking over the reigns of the nation. And unlike his predecessor there isn't anyone out there capable of undermining his peace initiatives (granted he was the perpetrator himself during Nawaz's time).

One can't assume that Benazir can't turn herself around when it comes to India either. However, what makes her a bad bet is the fact that unlike Musharraf she doesn't control the Army or the ISI. So I can't possibly see how she can actually follow through on her promises since a lot of them require the cooperation of the PA which is the nation's most capable and organized institution.
 
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Both BB and Musharraf have been aggressively courting Indians at home and abroad because of the rapidly changing strategic and socioeconomic scenarios.

:lol::lol:

Oh yaar at least choose your words more carefully when writing about India and Pakistan...."courting Indians"...hehe..when and on what occasion did this happen?
 
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:lol::lol:

Oh yaar at least choose your words more carefully when writing about India and Pakistan...."courting Indians"...hehe..when and on what occasion did this happen?
The AIF (American Indian Foundation), the Asia Society and a multitude of other NRI dominated organizations here in the USA have been hosting events for both BB and Musharraf since the summer ( I don't know what they were doing before, I wasn't on any of their invites).

Actually this is the description the last event
"Pakistan Today: The Musharraf Government Makes Its Case

Speakers: Dr. Nasim Ashraf, Minister of State, Government of Pakistan; Chairman, National Commission for Human Development; Barrister Mohammad Ali Saif, Minister of Tourism and Youth Affairs, Government of Pakistan Ms. Kashmala Tariq, Member, National Assembly of Pakistan; Ambassador Nicholas Platt, President Emeritus, Asia Society (moderator)

Even with the announcement of general elections scheduled for January 2008, Pakistan's political situation remains uncertain. General Pervez Musharraf will likely be sworn in as head of state on Thursday. Former Prime Ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif have returned to Pakistan after living inexile for extended periods of time. They have filed nomination papers to contest parliamentary elections but both are holding out the option of boycotting. To make its case in the United States, the Musharraf government has sent a Special Delegation of officials to make the government's case. Please join us for an in depth and challenging dialogue with the members of this delegation on the way forward in Pakistan.
 
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