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India Assam: Will four million people really be deported?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-45082757

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Media caption'The Indian government is tearing my family apart'
Some four million people have effectively lost their citizenship in India's north-eastern state of Assam.

They were left off a list of proven citizens, which was created as part of a government drive to identify illegal migrants from neighbouring Bangladesh.

Here's what led to that controversial move, and what might happen next.

How did the list come about?
Fears over illegal migration from Bangladesh, formerly East Pakistan, have long been alive in Assam.

The state's very first list of citizens - formally known as the National Register of Citizens, or NRC - was published in 1951, just four years after the partition of India, when millions of people had crossed into India from East Bengal, which had become a part of Pakistan.

The list was drawn up in response to nationalist groups in Assam who were afraid of an influx of Muslim immigrants changing the state's Hindu-majority demographics.

But the problem re-emerged in the 1970s. After Bangladesh declared independence and broke away from Pakistan on 26 March 1971, sparking a bitter war, millions again fled to neighbouring India. And many of the refugees settled in Assam.

By 1979, a movement against illegal immigrants led by the All Assam Students Union (AASU) took hold. The agitation turned violent in 1983 when mobs killed more than 2,000 suspected immigrants, most of whom were Muslims.

AASU and some other regional groups eventually signed an agreement in 1985 with the federal government led by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi.

It said that anyone who could not prove that they were living in Assam by 24 March 1971 would be expelled from electoral rolls and considered illegal immigrants.

But the accord was never implemented.

So why is it being updated after all these years?
In 2009, a man named Aabhijeet Sharma petitioned the Supreme Court, asking that the NRC be updated. In 2014, the court instructed the federal government to do so by 31 January 2016.

However given the magnitude of the exercise - which involved the verification of documents belonging to more than 32 million people - the first draft of the NRC was only published in December 2017.

The second draft was published on 30 July.

Who is on the list?
The NRC contains the names of people who have been able to prove that they arrived in Assam on or before 24 March 1971.

Everyone in the state had to submit documents to prove their claim to citizenship, including land and tenancy records, voter IDs or passports.

Those who were born after 1971 were asked to submit documents that proved that their parents or grandparents had settled in India before the cut-off date.

Around four million people did not make the list. Their names could be deleted from electoral rolls as they are not considered legitimate citizens.

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What has the reaction been?
It has been mixed.

Many Hindus across the country have hailed it as a bold move and praised the ruling Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) for implementing it when other state governments did not have the "guts" to do so.

Some feel that it is a political masterstroke ahead of upcoming national elections in 2019.

But opposition parties have roundly denounced the move and criticised Prime Minister Narendra Modi for separating families and effectively making millions of people stateless overnight.

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Image captionDespite criticism, officials maintain the process has been "fair and transparent"
Rahul Gandhi, leader of the main opposition Congress party, said the list had created "massive insecurity" among people.

And Mamata Banerjee, the chief minister of neighbouring West Bengal state, has been its most vocal critic. She predicted a "bloodbath" and said the exercise was making a mockery of democracy.

"It seems like the BJP is using the issue to polarise voters and reinforce its anti-Muslim rhetoric - and opposition parties have reacted to the bait," Subir Bhaumik, author of Troubled Periphery, a study of India's troubled north-east, told the BBC.

But Indian officials have insisted that the process is "not targeting Muslims". Prateek Hajela, the NRC head, told BBC Urdu that those excluded were "people from different religions and groups".

Home Minister Rajnath Singh told the upper house of parliament that the process was "fair and transparent" and that "no Indian citizen would be left out".

Is this a final list?
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Image captionAssam is the only state with a National Register of Citizens
No. The government has been very categorical about this. Home Minister Singh has made it clear that people can appeal against their non-inclusion. They can also submit more documents to claim citizenship in the coming months.

So there is a chance that an updated list will carry their names.

And activists say is a necessary move.

The NRC has already produced some surprising results - former servicemen, current political leaders and even some government employees, including one tasked with compiling the NRC - have not found their names on the list.

News reports have pointed out how minor spelling errors have led to documents being rejected. Others mention how some families have seen one sibling making it on to the list while another did not.

Assam also has a history of flooding, which means that many families have often lost official documents along with other belongings.


Will there be mass deportations?
It is unclear - but also unlikely at the moment, say experts.

Mr Modi has consistently said that illegal Muslim immigrants will be deported. But the BBC's India columnist, Soutik Biswas, says Bangladesh will "definitely not accede to such a request". Instead, he adds, there is a chance that India will end up "creating the newest cohort of stateless people" - similar to the Rohingyas of Myanmar.

There are currently half a dozen detention camps in Assam, which house some 1,000 people. In July, the state government said it had permission to build a new detention centre for those unable to prove their citizenship, the Indian Express reports.

India has no official treaty with Bangladesh in relation to the NRC or cross-border illegal immigration.

Regional security expert Seshadri Chari says that Bangladesh has always maintained that the NRC is an "internal matter and not a bilateral issue between the two countries".

He adds: "This underscores Bangladesh's resolve to not accept even one single illegal migrant that India may want to deport."

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Image captionThe ruling government has been accused of destroying families
Are there fears of violence?
There has been concern over the safety of those whose names are not on the list.

While the government has not released any data on their religious identities, the majority of them are believed to be Bengali-speaking Muslims.

But there have been no protests or incidents of violence so far.

"Who is going to protest? Those in Assam who have pushed for it are feeling vindicated right now," Mr Bhaumik says. "And those whose names are not on the list are preoccupied with trying to get on it."

A final list which is to be compiled after addressing all appeals and challenges could trigger violence, says the BBC's Nitin Srivastava, who has been reporting on the NRC in Assam.

"That is when they will be concerned about losing their land, voting rights and freedom."

Reporting by Krutika Pathi
 
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Will there be mass deportations?
It is unclear - but also unlikely at the moment, say experts.

Mr Modi has consistently said that illegal Muslim immigrants will be deported. But the BBC's India columnist, Soutik Biswas, says Bangladesh will "definitely not accede to such a request". Instead, he adds, there is a chance that India will end up "creating the newest cohort of stateless people" - similar to the Rohingyas of Myanmar.

There are currently half a dozen detention camps in Assam, which house some 1,000 people. In July, the state government said it had permission to build a new detention centre for those unable to prove their citizenship, the Indian Express reports.

India has no official treaty with Bangladesh in relation to the NRC or cross-border illegal immigration.

Regional security expert Seshadri Chari says that Bangladesh has always maintained that the NRC is an "internal matter and not a bilateral issue between the two countries".

He adds: "This underscores Bangladesh's resolve to not accept even one single illegal migrant that India may want to deport.
Sanghi charal can declare half of their people as illegal Bangladeshi, but Bangladesh will not accept even a single one.There is already a mechanism by which India is deporting Bangladeshi citizen who fled to India after committing crime or overstayed there after cross checking their citizenship status.We will only accept those who can prove their Bangladeshi citizenship by this way.What will India do with their unwanted people is entirely their internal matter and solution have to be found within India.
But the problem re-emerged in the 1970s. After Bangladesh declared independence and broke away from Pakistan on 26 March 1971, sparking a bitter war, millions again fled to neighbouring India. And many of the refugees settled in Assam
This is false.India in 1972 officially declared that all the 10 million refugees(9 millions were Hindus) who fled to India has returned to Bangladesh.Now Indian toilet media is concocting a bogus theory to justify their claim of millions of Bangladeshis in that shitty state.
 
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If India pushes these 4m folks to BD does she have any other options???? Current BD PM works as a part time cook at the Indian Presidential Palace whenever she visits there!!!! BD army is almost gone - their military officers and their families are under a perpetual mortal threat of being subjected to Gujrat-style pogrom!!! And that too inside their own bases and by the very soldiers they're supposed to command!!!! Such complete is the capitulation, and so permanent it is!!! Even the school kids in their best schools from the affluent families see no hope in their future!!!! All the best jobs in public and private sectors are marked for the Indians and their local agents!!! Cry BD cry, and cry hard!!! No amount of Pak bashing's gonna work!!!!
 
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If India pushes these 4m folks to BD does she have any other options????

Not really. Myanmar is about as unfriendly to BD as possible and they shoved in 1 million people recently in just few short weeks. So if BD just took that, what is the chance with doing different with India?

India is magntitudes bigger and more powerful...and is far more "friendly" with BD (and fully entrenched in the BD creation mythology)...so not much option with BD except do some scale of cursory protests like they did with MM.

Just watch from outside...sometimes a small, insignificant part of world has to have this happen to set a warning to the larger more important parts. It is very hard to prop up everything 100% eternally, you sometimes have to lose a small chunk for the greater good/strength of the larger bloc.
 
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Not really. Myanmar is about as unfriendly to BD as possible and they shoved in 1 million people recently in just few short weeks. So if BD just took that, what is the chance with doing different with India?

India is magntitudes bigger and more powerful...and is far more "friendly" with BD (and fully entrenched in the BD creation mythology)...so not much option with BD except do some scale of cursory protests like they did with MM.

Just watch from outside...sometimes a small, insignificant part of world has to have this happen to set a warning to the larger more important parts. It is very hard to prop up everything 100% eternally, you sometimes have to lose a small chunk for the greater good/strength of the larger bloc.

Idiot Bangladesh accepted Rohingya on humanitarian ground as their life were threatened at Myanmar and international community requested as well. Do you sanghi lot like to retain the same savage tag that Myanmar janta have, whose leading is under consideration of sanction?

If Bangladesh would not willingly allow these Rohingya not a single one would be allowed. For India Bangladesh already declared they will not take not a single one. Keep having your wet dream.
 
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Idiot Bangladesh accepted Rohingya on humanitarian ground as their life were threatened at Myanmar and international community requested as well. Do you sanghi lot like to retain the same savage tag that Myanmar janta have, whose leading is under consideration of sanction?

If Bangladesh would not willingly allow these Rohingya not a single one would be allowed. For India Bangladesh already declared they will not take not a single one. Keep having your wet dream.

Enjoy:

Current BD PM works as a part time cook at the Indian Presidential Palace whenever she visits there!!!!

She has no choice. Plenty of BCL types to enforce our will on plebs as needed when we decide its time.

BD public opinion means absolutely nothing to even your so called leaders. BD can declare whatever it wants to now...SHW also boldly declared she wont take in one rohingya before the flow really kicked in.

Now enjoy being permanent footstool and punching bag....till mother nature finally sinks you all together.
 
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Take out all the people who cannot prove they are here before 71 ,no voters ID means no political party will touch them .they will go back the way they came or their parents came.
 
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Here in the forum Bangladeshi members were celebrating the raising bangladeshi Muslim population in Assam and dreaming about Bangladeshi Assam in future as we seen in many past threads ..The people who are confirmed not citizens of India should be given permission to work for five to ten years and then should be deported as per law ..The porous border should be sealed .
 
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Here in the forum Bangladeshi members were celebrating the raising bangladeshi Muslim population in Assam and dreaming about Bangladeshi Assam in future as we seen in many past threads ..The people who are confirmed not citizens of India should be given permission to work for five to ten years and then should be deported as per law ..The porous border should be sealed .


Dude come to reality. Bangladesh's per capita gdp is around 1750 usd and Assam's only 1100-1200 usd. Why should any Bangladeshi will go to such poor, under developed region? You are talking as if people from Maharastra will gladly go to Bihar for better. Such logic is laughable. Muslim population growth is very natural. From 1951's 24.68% it increased to 34% due to high birth rate and population growth is similar to rest of India. Even tribal's had more growth then muslim. These are the extremely poor people specially their ancestors who did not kept old records or even thought of having one caused the situations. If the Ahoms would have to produce doc with same criteria big chunk of them would have declared illegal. Same goes with most of the poor Indian states.
 
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Those who routinely voice fears of deportation are either naive or new to the world of politics. In any case they have no idea how the Indian political system works.

What has been effectively done is to wipe out four million voters from the opposition + given a boost to those who were seeking a review of the register prepared in 1951.

It will not take a genius to understand who stands to gain & who stands to lose in the national election next year.

As regards deportation , No the Govt will ( & cannot ) forcefully push across so many humans anywhere. They have been ' neutered' & thats good enough for now.
 
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Those who routinely voice fears of deportation are either naive or new to the world of politics. In any case they have no idea how the Indian political system works.

What has been effectively done is to wipe out four million voters from the opposition + given a boost to those who were seeking a review of the register prepared in 1951.

It will not take a genius to understand who stands to gain & who stands to lose in the national election next year.

As regards deportation , No the Govt will ( & cannot ) forcefully push across so many humans anywhere. They have been ' neutered' & thats good enough for now.

They have not been taken out of voter list yet. As article indicated even for spelling mistake name has been taken out. Some siblings found their name and some did not.
 
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Dude come to reality. Bangladesh's per capita gdp is around 1750 usd and Assam's only 1100-1200 usd. Why should any Bangladeshi will go to such poor, under developed region? You are talking as if people from Maharastra will gladly go to Bihar for better. Such logic is laughable. Muslim population growth is very natural. From 1951's 24.68% it increased to 34% due to high birth rate and population growth is similar to rest of India. Even tribal's had more growth then muslim. These are the extremely poor people specially their ancestors who did not kept old records or even thought of having one caused the situations. If the Ahoms would have to produce doc with same criteria big chunk of them would have declared illegal. Same goes with most of the poor Indian states.
It was higher than national average before the influx of illegal immigrants ..

They have not been taken out of voter list yet. As article indicated even for spelling mistake name has been taken out. Some siblings found their name and some did not.
All those can appeal not only in further verification process but also in courts ..
 
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It was higher than national average before the influx of illegal immigrants ..


All those can appeal not only in further verification process but also in courts ..

Assam never had higher living standard then Bangladesh but West Bengal had.
 
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Here in the forum Bangladeshi members were celebrating the raising bangladeshi Muslim population in Assam and dreaming about Bangladeshi Assam in future as we seen in many past threads ..The people who are confirmed not citizens of India should be given permission to work for five to ten years and then should be deported as per law ..The porous border should be sealed .

NRC proved that there are hardly any Bangladeshi muslims in Assam.
 
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They have not been taken out of voter list yet. As article indicated even for spelling mistake name has been taken out. Some siblings found their name and some did not.

Those with spellings etc shall be corrected , its not an issue.

The voter lists shall get updated in due course as they routinely are before elections
 
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