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India has limited Afghan options
By M K Bhadrakumar

The Greeks have a saying that the past is the vista that lies ahead while the future lurks furtively. The improbable symbolism sums up the Indian perspective on the announcement by the Pakistani civilian leadership last Thursday to extend the term of army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kiani for another three years.

Quite clearly, the Barack Obama administration is pleased with the work Kiani is doing and he is now assured of a term lasting until November 2013 - until the date Afghan President Hamid Karzai has penciled in for the foreign military occupation of his country to end.

In the late 1950s, when General Ayub Khan got a similar extension, the geopolitics of the region were at a turning point. The United States pinned hopes on Ayub to be the Praetorian Guard of its Cold War regional strategies in Southwestern Asia and the Persian Gulf, and he did acquit himself.

New Delhi senses that the Pakistani military has regained its pre-eminence in that country's political economy after a three-year interregnum, and that Kiani will now call the shots on Pakistan's ties with the US, India and Afghanistan for the foreseeable future. The US already acknowledges Kiani as its point person in Pakistan.

No US dignitary visiting Islamabad will want to fail to meet with him, lest it detract from the seriousness of their mission. The US would dearly want its Indian "strategic partner" to also get along with Kiani - or at the very least, leave him alone to focus on the important task ahead in Afghanistan. But in a full-page feature on Sunday, a leading Delhi daily caricatured Kiani as a Moghul conqueror capable of raining death and destruction. It just about captures the mood in Delhi.

The Indians simply cannot forget that Kiani was the first army chief to have headed the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). David Headley, who was closely associated with the planning of the terrorist strike on Mumbai in November 2008 and is at present in detention in a Chicago prison, recently reportedly told Indian and US interrogators that serving Pakistani army officers and the ISI were directly involved in the terrorist attack.

Calming Indian nerves
A dark horizon is enveloping India-Pakistan relations. Against this backdrop, two senior US officials - special representative for AfPak Richard Holbrooke and Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - descended on Delhi last week to ensure that the announcement of Kiani's extension had a "soft landing" in the Indian capital.

For the Americans, the apple cart is delicately poised. The urgency of an AfPak exit policy subsumes all other thoughts, and in that regard Kiani can help a lot. In Holbrooke's estimation, as Taliban reconciliation still remains a distant prospect, the US's counter-insurgency operations will continue, and India shouldn't, therefore, worry unduly about the specter of the powerful Jalaluddin and Sirajuddin Haqqani network grabbing power in Kabul. He spoke of signs of a positive shift in the Pakistani approach to fighting terrorism and suggested that it deserves to be encouraged.

Holbrooke tried to impress on the Indians that Pakistan is a crucial player in any strategy aimed at stabilizing the Afghan situation and India should not see the US's expanding involvement with the Pakistani military in zero-sum terms. Pakistan has legitimate interests in Afghanistan, but he gave his assurances that India also would continue to have a role in economic investment in Afghanistan. Holbrooke tried to be persuasive that the US's influence with the Pakistani military leadership is a positive thing for Indian interests.

In essence, Holbrooke advised the Indians to calm their nerves and apply themselves diligently instead to easing tensions with Pakistan through dialogue. He gave a wide berth to the Kashmir problem
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On a parallel mission, Mullen drew attention away from the badlands of Southwest Asia and harped on the strategic challenge posed by an increasingly "active" and "assertive" China.

He underlined that the US and India should work shoulder to shoulder to counter the Chinese challenge in the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. Mullen's thesis was that India is being needlessly obsessive about US arms supplies to Pakistan. The running theme was that India is neglecting the real strategic challenge facing it in the medium term - China's expansionist intentions
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Mullen went public with an extraordinary statement during a TV interview that in the event of any "crisis" in Sino-Indian relations (meaning an outbreak of hostilities on the disputed border), Washington will always be supportive of Delhi. He claimed that Indian officials shared the US's concern regarding an "assertive" China.

Mullen's public diplomacy was brilliantly executed.

On the one hand, he tried to rev up latent unease in Indian opinion regarding China's long-term intentions and the future trajectory of Sino-Indian relations pending their unresolved border dispute. In the process, he renewed the demarche that the US arms manufacturers are genuinely interested in securing the lucrative US$10 billion contract for India's planned acquisition of 126 multipurpose aircraft.

On the other hand, Mullen pitched hard to create misgivings in the Chinese mind regarding the recent Indian diplomatic and political overtures to Beijing for chartering a "new stage" in the bilateral relationship
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Reaching out to Russia
A lot of shadow-boxing is indeed going on as the geopolitics of the region shifts gear, and the Indians would probably choose to remain skeptical about the Holbrooke-Mullen mission. They cannot be unaware that within Obama's AfPak team Holbrooke has been one of the most fervent advocates of accommodating the Taliban in the Kabul power structure.

The Indians estimate that the US regards the Pakistani military as an irreplaceable ally today, and the latter is seeking parity for Pakistan with the US-India strategic partnership. They couldn't have missed the point, either, that Mullen came to Delhi with the express intent of integrating India into the US's current acrimonies with China.

Neither can the Indians afford to agree with Holbrooke and Mullen's sanguine assessments regarding the Pakistani military leadership, or afford to accept Washington's assurance regarding the US's capacity to restrain the Pakistani military. Equally, it seems highly unlikely that Delhi will want to partake of the US's needling of China.

However, the US is negotiating with India from a position of advantage. Washington expects Kiani to be beholden to it for using its good offices with the Pakistani civilian leadership to formalize his extension of tenure, which can translate as greater US clout in Pakistan. While in Delhi, neither Holbrooke nor Mullen would be drawn into any criticism of Pakistan - not even obliquely.

India's diplomatic options in the region today, including its relationship with Iran, are fairly limited. In recent years, US diplomacy has virtually wrecked Delhi's strategic understanding with Tehran, and its ties with China do not yet allow scope for forging a mutual understanding, although the two countries have shared interests with regard to regional security issues such as terrorism and religious extremism emanating from the AfPak region.

Add in the fact that Obama's "reset" with Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev has thrown into disarray Moscow's equations with Tehran and, in short, it can be seen that the US has succeeded in ensuring a Russian-Indian-Iranian axis, or any joint regional initiative by them over the Afghan problem, remains a long shot.

Delhi seems to belatedly realize, though, that its regional diplomacy has been weak and there is an awful lot to catch up with now. Close on the heels of the departure of the two US officials from Delhi, India's Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao is proceeding to Moscow
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Recent statements by Moscow - the Foreign Ministry on July 1 and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the Kabul conference on July 20 - regarding the Afghan situation are indicative of thinking similar to India's, especially as regards the extreme caution needed in proceeding with the reconciliation with the Taliban. Rao can be expected to probe the scope for India-Russia cooperation over Afghanistan.

The Kremlin views Afghanistan also through the prism of Medvedev's "reset" with Obama. Meanwhile, Medvedev has invited his Pakistani, Afghan and Tajik counterparts to a summit meeting in the Black Sea resort of Sochi in August. Russia is also expanding its cooperation with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) by supplying military hardware such as helicopters for the Afghan operations and facilitating the so-called northern supply route by land and air.

All this while Lavrov in his intervention at the Kabul conference demanded a "neutral" Afghanistan and severely questioned the feasibility of reconciliation with the Taliban. In essence, the Russians are working on multiple tracks.


A recent article in the Foreign Ministry's journal criticized India's US-centric diplomacy and hinted at the growing need for Moscow to "de-hyphenate" its ties with Delhi and Islamabad. There seems to be some heartburn in Moscow especially that the US is poised to overtake Russia as India's biggest arms supplier. Moscow wouldn't like cooperation over Afghanistan to be a stand-alone enterprise limited to mitigating Delhi's current regional isolation.

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.
 
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American policy makers seem to have their fingers on the pulse of Indians, at least Indians in the US -- Indian friends in the US insist that their enemy is China - now US friends seem to be offering Indian friends the opportunity to be cannon fodder in the West's unease over the riseof China - Will Indian friends abandon Afghanistan and take up the gauntlet against Chinese friends? Will Indian friends finally live up to their own statement that their rivalry is with China and now is the time to set the score straight?


I'm generally a fan of the Ambassador's analysis -- no sane Indian will want or should not want, to pick up any gauntlet others have thrown down in it's name -- and as for Afghanistan, it does not have to be a case of "I told you so" - accord between Pakistan and India, will set the stage for a unified, integrated Asia -- keep this focus, these stupid struggles serve neither the interests of Pakistan, nor India, nor Iran nor of China, nor of Russia, nor of Uzbek and other stans -- keep the focus, an integrated, unified Asia, the possibility, the heretofore unimagined volumes of trade, lives of dignity, societies in which we read each others papers and authors and TV and movies, with people coming and going, buying and selling -- First it takes buying into the vision, second, see the absolute idiocy of these silly conflicts, not that they will go away, but the way we deal with them will no longer be full of blood, fear and dreams of vengence - An Integrated, unifed ASIA.
 
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What exactly is the message being passed to New Dehli, why has it been necessary to relay this message so publically over the last few months? Friends, think about the implications of an integrated, unified Asia - big things can have small beginnings



Stable Pakistan is not a threat to India: US

WASHINGTON: Defending US military assistance for Islamabad, the Obama administration on Wednesday told New Delhi that a stable Pakistan should not be seen as a threat to India.

State Department spokesman PJ Crowley also underscored the importance of effective steps by India, Afghanistan and Pakistan towards the goal of regional stability.

“A stable Pakistan is not a threat to India. A stable India does not need to be a threat to Pakistan,” Crowley said.

He said in giving military assistance to Pakistan, the United States had systems of accountability to be sure that it was being employed in accordance with the agreements and “so building up the capability of Pakistan to deal with the threat within its own borders should not be seen as a threat to India”.

“We have worked hard across the region to try to move countries beyond a zero-sum mentality. Pakistan has an interest in what happens in Afghanistan. So does India. And likewise, going in the other direction, Afghanistan has an interest in what goes on in countries that will, that border it, whether it’s Pakistan and India on one side, or Iran on the other,” he said. app
 
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Stable Pakistan is not a threat to India: US



I don't why people say that. India and pakistan are enemies. So how could a stable Pakistan be not a threat to India? :pop:

Not saying, that Pakistan should not be a stable nation, but in this case, whatever i said above is right.
 
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India and Pakistan are adversaries and rivals -- Enemy is not something they have arrived at and I don't think they will.
 
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India and Pakistan are adversaries and rivals -- Enemy is not something they have arrived at and I don't think they will.

You're right, I prefer to use the term "rival" as opposed to "enemy" when referring to Pakistan-India relations and China-India relations. :cheers:

I don't think our region of the world is so bad yet that we regard each other as "enemies".

In fact, there is a lot of strategic and economic cooperation between these nations, even though they are rivals.
 
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India has many options left on the cards in afganistan. One of them being it can still back the northern alliance together with Iran as it did when the taliban were in power before 9/11
 
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I missed this in MB's analysis the first time I went through it:

Russia continues support

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told his fellow delegates in Kabul that a scheduled August meeting of the presidents of Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan in the Russian city of Sochi will help develop cooperation in the region.

“The development of efficient regional cooperation in order to settle Afghanistan’s problems is a priority,” the Russian foreign minister said, while alluding to the work of a regional security organization. “The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), within the framework of which the SCO-Afghanistan contact group was set up, makes exactly such a contribution.”

Lavrov then mentioned the importance of recognizing Afghanistan’s future "neutral status," which would preclude any sort of permanent foreign military presence in a harsh, unmerciful land that has been rightly dubbed the "graveyard of empires."

“The restoration of the neutral status of Afghanistan is designed to become one of the key factors of creating an atmosphere of good-neighborly relations and cooperation in the region,” the Russian minister said. “We expect that this idea will be supported by the Afghan people. The presidents of Russia and the US have already come out in favor of it.”

Meanwhile, Russia will continue working with its international partners to equip Afghan security forces with the necessary military equipment, Lavrov told the delegates.

“We intend to help the stabilization force created in Afghanistan with the central role of the UN by ensuring transit through the Russian territory of cargo and international forces personnel,” Lavrov said. “We are also working with our partners on additional measures to equip the Afghan army and police. We are expanding cooperation in the training of personnel of Afghan law enforcement agencies.”

Lavrov stressed, however, that the wrapping up of the military mission by the International Security Force should adhere to the original mandate set down by the UN Security Council [The International Security Assistance Force is a NATO-led security mission in Afghanistan established by the United Nations Security Council on 20 December 2001 by Resolution 1386 as envisaged by the Bonn Agreement].

“I mean the suppression of the terrorism threat; formation of Afghan security services capable of ensuring national security; stopping drug trafficking; achieving national reconciliation; creating efficient government institutions; restoring economic potential and developing democratic institutions,” he explained.

Lavrov also emphasized the need for the “settlement of the situation not only in Afghanistan, but also in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border zone.”

“We support the efforts of Kabul and Islamabad aimed at the development of closer cooperation in the fight against the terrorism threat emanating from this zone,” Lavrov added.

Afghanistan dreams of a NATO-free future - RT

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This is a Presidential level meeting organized by the Russians on Afghanistan that does not include either Iran nor, more importantly, India (so far). Think back for a moment to the stink India threw at the Afghanistan conference organized by Turkey that did not include India either.

Surely the Russians are aware of Indian sensitivities on this count. MB's analysis that US diplomacy has undermined Indian relationships with Iran and perhaps even to some degree Russia may in fact have validity to it.

And while MB suggests that a 'neutral Afghanistan' may not be to Pakistan's liking, Kiyani himself has argued that such a development would be perfectly acceptable to Pakistan. Pakistani intervention in Afghanistan has after all been the result of anti-Pakistan sentiment in Afghanistan, that has been the cause of significant hostility directed at Pakistan. An Afghanistan that respects Pakistani sovereignty and does not seek to act as a proxy, for another nation, against Pakistan will be nothing but welcome for Pakistan.
 
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Amit, Agnostic


While Amit and others (see my post on the US foireign policy board) suggest that India's option include support the Northern Alliance to split Afghanistan -- Foreign Misnister Lavron's statement with regard to a "neutral Afghanistan" should be weighed carefully.

Neither history nor the ethnicities that today form a nation state in Afghanistan will forgive those powers and individuals who plot to break up Afghanistan.

It is true that all powers involved can exercise a variety of options, but we must be sober, none of these powers can "win" by ensuring the Afghanistan as a single nation state, loses. I would bring the attention of Indian friends to the atetment of the Russian foreign minister:

We support the efforts of Kabul and Islamabad aimed at the development of closer cooperation in the fight against the terrorism threat emanating from this zone,” Lavrov added

I remind those who are inspired by nationalistic rivalries that the real issue at hand is the attenuation of extremism, not rivalries that are losing international support they once enjoyed.
 
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The Great Game has been going on long enough. Destabilizing and fragmenting a neighbour is in the end, a losing proposition. There isn't a nation in this world who has prospered from a hostile neighbourhood.

I would like to think that India learned it's lesson in Sri Lanka. There can be no good end to helping secessionists in another country.
 
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Stable Pakistan is not a threat to India: US



I don't why people say that. India and pakistan are enemies. So how could a stable Pakistan be not a threat to India? :pop:

Not saying, that Pakistan should not be a stable nation, but in this case, whatever i said above is right.

Look at Europe they have been at each others throats for centuries and look at them now they dont have borders and all are doing well
 
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You took the words out of my mouth, man. The British and French fought for hundreds of years, and now they build fighters together.
 
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American policy makers seem to have their fingers on the pulse of Indians, at least Indians in the US -- Indian friends in the US insist that their enemy is China - now US friends seem to be offering Indian friends the opportunity to be cannon fodder in the West's unease over the riseof China - Will Indian friends abandon Afghanistan and take up the gauntlet against Chinese friends? Will Indian friends finally live up to their own statement that their rivalry is with China and now is the time to set the score straight?

:what: Dont really know ? Dont know how Indians in US feel abt China ?
But its certainly not the same feeling here in India :cheers:

We don't view China as an arch enemy but do think they are capable to doing some mischief. Peace is the sole criteria.

So the point is a majority of us Indians don't view China as an enemy. But we want to equip ourselves such that we dont endup being Bullied.
 
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Some friends call it "Welcome to Pakistan", but I would suggest that it's more like Welcome to US policy Makers, on one hand they tell Indian friends to put more money into Afghanistan and discuss breaking up afghanistan, on the other hand they say that they can live with the Taliban -- whom can Indian friends trust? :

US seeks ‘acceptable end state’ in Afghanistan Dawn Correspondent

Thursday, 29 Jul, 2010 Gen Jones noted that some Taliban might be willing to meet one US condition for talks, which is to disavow Al Qaeda. –File Photo World

WASHINGTON: Elements within the Taliban appear willing to disavow Al Qaeda, says US National Security Adviser James Jones as the United States seeks an “acceptable end state” in Afghanistan.
US officials also have indicated that the White House would accept a patchwork process in Afghanistan if it brings peace to the war-ravaged country.

The proposed process is expected to bring together elements of the Taliban and the Afghan government in a new arrangement for peace.

Those Taliban groups who sever their links to Al Qaeda and renounce violence will be allowed to form tribal police forces in the areas under their control.

Pakistan is expected to play a crucial role in brokering such a deal, although its favourite Taliban group – the Haqqani network – may be kept out of this arrangement.

In an interview to a Washington Post columnist after the publication of the Afghan war logs, Gen Jones noted that some Taliban might be willing to meet one US condition for talks, which is to disavow Al Qaeda. “The Taliban generally as a group has never signed on to the global Jihad business and doesn’t seem to have ambitions beyond its region,” he said.

Mr Jones praised the Pakistani military for stepping up its operations in the border region over the past 18 months, but he stressed: “There’s much more to do and not a lot of time to do it.”

The US media noted that the disclosure of the Afghan war logs by a whistleblowers site called Wikileaks came at a time when the Washington mood about Afghanistan was already darkening.

“Even hawkish officials have become increasingly concerned that success – even a minimal ‘C-plus’ version – may not be possible within a realistic time-frame,” the Post noted.

The leaked US military documents have created a new dilemma for the Obama administration by highlighting ISI’s alleged links to the Taliban.

Diplomatic observers in Washington say that now is when the Obama administration needs the Pakistani intelligence agency to broker “a patchwork deal” with some Taliban groups. But the leaks made it difficult for the US administration to hold such negotiations with the ISI, at least publicly.

The leaks also have made it difficult for Washington to balance its relations with India and Pakistan.

Apparently, the Indians want the US to thwart Pakistan’s efforts to expand its influence in Afghanistan but the Americans realise that the Pakistanis can only be pushed so far.

US scholars, while commenting on the Wikileaks papers, acknowledged that for Pakistan, Afghanistan was an area of fundamental strategic interest
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“It is irrational to expect the Pakistanis to halt collaboration with the force that they expect to be a major part of the government of Afghanistan when the United States leaves,” said George Friedman, founder of strategic think tank Stratfor.

“The Pakistanis never expected the United States to maintain a presence in Afghanistan permanently … they don’t expect the Taliban to be defeated … and are not interested in chaos in Afghanistan,” he noted. “It follows that they will maintain close relations with and support for the Taliban.”


Note the willingness to screw over absolutley anybody - even Indian friends -- But power does not reside with unscrupulous US policy makers, instead it lies among Pakistani and Indians who need display a willingness, a determination, an assurance, to solve problems and to not create obstacles, this can create a momentum - consider it, shouldn't the interests of India come before those of US plicy makers?
 
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Look at Europe they have been at each others throats for centuries and look at them now they dont have borders and all are doing well



Well, they never had a dispute on land similar to KASHMIR And morover, indian and pakistan have problems in culture as well. :tdown:


That's why unlike Europe, India and pakistan has conscience, or you could say it "too much pride".
 
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