India - a little war mongering Hindu Reich!

[notsuperstitious]

Yes, that the new narrative we have heard since a new government led by BJP's leader Narendra Modi took over in India. BJP is a rightwing nationalist party in India. They achieved national prominance in the wake of the religiously charged 1980s and 1990s. Their attempts at consoladating the Hindu vote is obviously controvercial, given India's ''often misused by all parties'' secular constitution. But thats just electoral politics. However India's strong democratic institutions have always ensured electoral politics stays away from national policy, particularly foreign policy.

Then why these calls of a war mondering Hindu Reich? Why does Pakistan's de-facto foreign minister claim India is walking in the path of war? Why many in Pakistani media and independent commentators, including many on the website react in a show of extreme and often foul mouthed manner to the new Indian govt? Creative minds are working overtime to create non existent ''military terms'' like ''Modi's Mad Dog Posture'' etc, visible to the naked eye as just inner hatred. Calls are being made for targetting of Indian civilians openly, suported by many even respected members. Such calls, given the very nebulous lines that separate Pakistan's state and non state actors, are bound to lead to more terrorism emanating from Pakistani soil.

Now it would be presumptious to try to psycho-analyse people, particularly from an enemy nation. Instead, lets take a brief look at how war mongering BJP really is!

Atal Bihari Vajpayee

No, this is not the first time India has seen a BJP led government. And the sub-continent is still here!!! Infact the last BJP government to take over reigns of India, did so when communal relations in India were way worse, the governement writ much weaker, violence in Kashmir much higher and almost daily artillery duels on the border. Certainly the Hindu Reich had risen! Rivers of blood, nothing less.

And Vajpayee decides to visit Lahore to extend a hand of friendship.

The Hindu Reich certainly works in mysterious ways. The nationalist prime minister of India, one known for his fiery nationalistic poetry, decides to go to the arch enemy smaller nation to extend a hand of friendship.

Result - Pakistan plans Kargil war while Vajpayee is still in Pakistan. A war monger is a war monger, if he wants war we will give him war, Vajpayee certainly must have deserved it!

Narendra Modi

Fast forward 2014. Modi, promising development and pro business policies, and with the votes of those most likely to benefit from them, sweeps to power. Full majority. Full freedom to implement his agenda. No need to divert the public's attention form any ''failures'' as he gets a guaranteed 5 years.

But he's a mass murderer, a war monger, a Muslim hater, a Pakistan baiter. Rivers of blood, nothing less.

And he decides to invite Pakistani prime minister for his swearing in ceremony. Also tries to create personal good will with the PM.

And he decides to restart dialogue

Sartaz Aziz says India's refusal to carry out the planned dialogue is India's war mongering. Cue for jingos to start calling for Indian blood and religious abuse and other time tested policies that have worked for them so well over 6 decades.

Hey wait a minute!

Pakistan knew fully well that a public meeting with their secretary and Hurriyat leaders before the dialoge would cause India to cancel dialogue. Pakistan's excuse - they wanted to discuss the dialoge with Hurriyat.

Don't Pakistanis have phones?

So who really wants to cancel the dialoge Mr Aziz? Who might be doing the bidding of another superpower Mr Aziz? Who has that record and credentials? Who is creating du-humanising stories full of holes about pakistani (non commisioned!!!) officers being killed under a white flag without even mentioning that a BSF jawan was first sniped there while patrolling??? Who is lecturing India on a local violent incident between two families (perps arrested) that killed three Muslims with the aim of creating more ill will, when Modi on his part made the entire legislature and all schools in India pay respects to the Peshawar victims? So who really benefits from a war, a newly elected democratic leader who has years to try to achieve development before even deciding if he needs a war to shore up his image? A leader from a business community, their support and their interests in mind, who hails from a industrialised state bordering Pakistan that stands to lose a lot (and by that I mean A LOT, heck the worlds largest refinery is there, do you know how much that costs???) in a war? Or a beleagured divided state with little writ and prospects, but more than willing to and with the experience to do the dirty job of an emerging superpower to ''contain'' the former, and create a diversion and unity at home in the process???

Who really is the little war monger drunk on religion???

Your thoughts welcome. But please avoid chest thumping, hyperbole, religious flame baiting, calls for terrorism or war crimes. Present official facts, not videos of retired officials presenting at conferences. And if possibe, try to introspect.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Then why these calls of a war mondering Hindu Reich? Why does Pakistan's de-facto foreign minister claim India is walking in the path of war? Why many in Pakistani media and independent commentators, including many on the website react in a show of extreme and often foul mouthed manner to the new Indian govt? Creative minds are working overtime to create non existent ''military terms'' like ''Modi's Mad Dog Posture'' etc, visible to the naked eye as just inner hatred. Calls are being made for targetting of Indian civilians openly, suported by many even respected members.

Culture shock! Not used to the kind of reaction for devious actions! When you are used to usual meow meow...a sudden ggrrhh is always going to throw you off. Hence this mad reaction & rhetoric!

 

[Black Widow]

Armed forces are made for war not peace. Pakistan is ruled by Army. Pakistani faith more in Armed forces rather than Government.

So when Army in control they will like to indulged in war..

Since its birth Pakistan always involved in war, Some time its own, some time others....

So if Modi jee is expecting peace from Pakistan, he is delusional. Pakistan will keep attacking.. If Pakistani Army is dismantled, they are reduced to security forces, then only Pakistan will have peace,,,

 

[Roybot]

Nailed it, but am afraid this thread might not be open for too long.

@Slav Defence can we include this article in the PDF best writer's contest.?

 

[Lord ZeN]

Fast forward 2014. Modi, promising development and pro business policies, and with the votes of those most likely to benefit from them, sweeps to power. Full majority. Full freedom to implement his agenda. No need to divert the public's attention form any ''failures'' as he gets a guaranteed 5 years.
But he's a mass murderer, a war monger, a Muslim hater, a Pakistan baiter. Rivers of blood, nothing less.

Pakistanis are jealous of Modi ji just like @Guynextdoor2 .
They can't stand when India gets real visionary leader. They always wants to see India being ruled by retards like Sonia & MMS.

 

[coffee_cup]

How else do you expect neighbors to react, if you elect an extremist hindu mass murderer who was banned until recently to enter any Western country?

And whose goons sitting in the highest govt. positions (e.g. the national security advisor) are openly gloating about how they are destablising Pakistan (read: by spreading cross-border terrorism in the neighboring country).

Given the track record of India and her cross-border terrorism support in the past and present (Mukti Bahini, LTTE, BLA, TTP), you can not blame us, if we are skeptical about "Modi's mad dogs".

 

[Lord ZeN]

How else do you expect neighbors to react, if you elect an extremist hindu mass murderer who was banned until recently to enter any Western country?

And whose goons sitting in the highest govt. positions (e.g. the national security advisor) are openly gloating about how they are destablising Pakistan (read: by spreading cross-border terrorism in the neighboring country).

Given the track record of India and her cross-border terrorism support in the past and present (Mukti Bahini, LTTE, BLA, TTP), you can not blame us, if we are skeptical about "Modi's mad dogs".

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yes, that the new narrative we have heard since a new government led by BJP's leader Narendra Modi took over in India. BJP is a rightwing nationalist party in India. They achieved national prominance in the wake of the religiously charged 1980s and 1990s. Their attempts at consoladating the Hindu vote is obviously controvercial, given India's ''often misused by all parties'' secular constitution. But thats just electoral politics. However India's strong democratic institutions have always ensured electoral politics stays away from national policy, particularly foreign policy.

Then why these calls of a war mondering Hindu Reich? Why does Pakistan's de-facto foreign minister claim India is walking in the path of war? Why many in Pakistani media and independent commentators, including many on the website react in a show of extreme and often foul mouthed manner to the new Indian govt? Creative minds are working overtime to create non existent ''military terms'' like ''Modi's Mad Dog Posture'' etc, visible to the naked eye as just inner hatred. Calls are being made for targetting of Indian civilians openly, suported by many even respected members. Such calls, given the very nebulous lines that separate Pakistan's state and non state actors, are bound to lead to more terrorism emanating from Pakistani soil.

Now it would be presumptious to try to psycho-analyse people, particularly from an enemy nation. Instead, lets take a brief look at how war mongering BJP really is!

Atal Bihari Vajpayee

No, this is not the first time India has seen a BJP led government. And the sub-continent is still here!!! Infact the last BJP government to take over reigns of India, did so when communal relations in India were way worse, the governement writ much weaker, violence in Kashmir much higher and almost daily artillery duels on the border. Certainly the Hindu Reich had risen! Rivers of blood, nothing less.

And Vajpayee decides to visit Lahore to extend a hand of friendship.

The Hindu Reich certainly works in mysterious ways. The nationalist prime minister of India, one known for his fiery nationalistic poetry, decides to go to the arch enemy smaller nation to extend a hand of friendship.

Result - Pakistan plans Kargil war while Vajpayee is still in Pakistan. A war monger is a war monger, if he wants war we will give him war, Vajpayee certainly must have deserved it!

Narendra Modi

Fast forward 2014. Modi, promising development and pro business policies, and with the votes of those most likely to benefit from them, sweeps to power. Full majority. Full freedom to implement his agenda. No need to divert the public's attention form any ''failures'' as he gets a guaranteed 5 years.

But he's a mass murderer, a war monger, a Muslim hater, a Pakistan baiter. Rivers of blood, nothing less.

And he decides to invite Pakistani prime minister for his swearing in ceremony. Also tries to create personal good will with the PM.

And he decides to restart dialogue

Sartaz Aziz says India's refusal to carry out the planned dialogue is India's war mongering. Cue for jingos to start calling for Indian blood and religious abuse and other time tested policies that have worked for them so well over 6 decades.

Hey wait a minute!

Pakistan knew fully well that a public meeting with their secretary and Hurriyat leaders before the dialoge would cause India to cancel dialogue. Pakistan's excuse - they wanted to discuss the dialoge with Hurriyat.

Don't Pakistanis have phones?

So who really wants to cancel the dialoge Mr Aziz? Who might be doing the bidding of another superpower Mr Aziz? Who has that record and credentials? Who is creating du-humanising stories full of holes about pakistani (non commisioned!!!) officers being killed under a white flag without even mentioning that a BSF jawan was first sniped there while patrolling??? Who is leacuring India on a local violent incident between two families (perps arrested) that killed three Muslims with the aim of creating more ill will, when Modi on his part made the entire legistalature and all schools in India to pay respects to the Peshawar victims? So who really benefits from a war, a newly elected democratic leader who has years to try to achieve development before even deciding if he needs a war to shore up his image? A leader from a business community, their support and their interests in mind, who hails from a industrialised state bordering Pakistan that stands to lose a lot (and by that I mean A LOT, heck the worlds largest refinery is there, do you know how much that costs???) in a war. Or a beleagured divided state with little writ and prospects, but more than willing to and with the experience to do the dirty job of an emerging superpower to ''contain'' the former, and create a diversion and unity at home in the process???

Who really is the little war monger drunk on religion???

Your thoughts welcome. But please avoid chest thumping, hyperbole, religious flame baiting, calls for terrorism or war crimes. Present official facts, not videos of retired officials presenting at conferences. And if possibe, try to introspect.

You wrote all this? Tell me.

 

[notsuperstitious]

How else do you expect neighbors to react, if you elect an extremist hindu mass murderer who was banned until recently to enter any Western country?

And whose goons sitting in the highest govt. positions (e.g. the national security advisor) are openly gloating about how they are destablising Pakistan (read: by spreading cross-border terrorism in the neighboring country).

Given the track record of India and her cross-border terrorism support in the past and present (Mukti Bahini, LTTE, BLA, TTP), you can not blame us, if we are skeptical about "Modi's mad dogs".

So you are saying the ghosts in your mind are bigger than Modi's actions? How does that explain why Pakistan deliberately scuttled talks.

Or Kargil war while Vajpayee was in Lahore???

If Pakistan's entire intellectual response is going to be about somebody being a ''mass murderer'' who was certainly under a shadow of suspicion, but has since stood an independent inquiry of the supreme court under his rival party's central rule, and taking notice of that even the west has reconciled with him, then I'm afraid you have not added much to the dicsussion. Thanks for the input though.

 

[Judge]

@JanjaWeed got it right.

Its because they were used to India accepting what Pakistan Army threw at us.

Now that India retaliates with 6 bullets and more killings in return for every bullet fired from Pakistan, they get all panicked.

Pakistan is a very typical middling bully, one who keeps trying to push others, and gets extremely insecure and panics in the face of retaliation.



In my opinion GoI should constitute a new policy, every death of an Indian Jawan in J&K by terrorist attacks should be considered equivalent to a death by direct Pakistani firing...and in exchange India should fire at Pakistani positions across the border till there is an equivalent number of deaths(at minimum) in Pakistan.

That way, Pakistan knows that its Army/Rangers will pay a price for every death a terrorist causes in J&K. Should be a very good incentive for them to stop pushing terrorists.

 

[notsuperstitious]

You wrote all this? Tell me.

I did. Stuck at home, had time to kill.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

On topic - we Northies give far too much importance to Pakistan. Why can't we chill, forget the bomb blasts, religious innuendos and focus on bettering ourselves instead?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Pakistanis are jealous of Modi ji just like @Guynextdoor2 .
They can't stand when India gets real visionary leader. They always wants to see India being ruled by retards like Sonia & MMS.

You didn't just say that

On topic - we Northies give far too much importance to Pakistan. Why can't we chill, forget the bomb blasts, religious innuendos and focus on bettering ourselves instead?

The liberals didn't start Ghae WApsi, ask every hindu woman to bear 5 children etc. You can't forget the government you chose.

 

[13 komaun]

Its feels good to see the poor victimized condition of pakistani state especially their 'used to be' hawkish army.There was the time when they got the most advanced weapons in subcontinent and India had to import even Food grains while U.S bullied India.

The same Pakistanis leaders who are now moaning about india used to test 'hindu morale' so now when things are in our favour i would love to Victimize them especially hafiz saeed

 

[coffee_cup]

So you are saying the ghosts in your mind are bigger than Modi's actions? How does that explain why Pakistan deliberately scuttled talks.

Or Kargil war while Vajpayee was in Lahore???

If Pakistan's entire intellectual response is going to be about somebody being a ''mass murderer'' who was certainly under a shadow of suspicion, but has since stood an independent inquiry of the supreme court under his rival party's central rule, and taking notice of that even the west has reconciled with him, then I'm afraid you have not added much to the dicsussion. Thanks for the input though.

What independent inquiry? Indian courts are a joke!

Have we not seen all extremists being given a free ride? Look at the Samjohta Express terrorist and countless other hindu extremists who are never found guilty.

Not that I am surprised, since the same mindset is at play who want to errect temples as a tribute to Gandhi's murderer...