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Strategic circles are abuzz with rumours that the United Kingdom will soon offer India one of the new-generation aircraft carriers that it is constructing, since they are turning out too expensive for the Royal Navy to afford. Interestingly, India will almost certainly turn down the offer.

The Royal Navy had planned to build two Carrier Vessels Future (CVFs): the 65,000 tonne HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales. With the budgeted price of US $6.4 billion (Rs 30,000 crores) for the pair now apparently the cost of each, building a third and selling it abroad is an option being considered to reduce the unit price. But, in contrast to this exorbitant price, the cost of India’s 44,000 tonne Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), under construction at Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), is barely a third of the Queen Elizabeth. And the Indian Navy’s next IAC, a 60,000 tonne behemoth like the Queen Elizabeth, will cost less than half its British counterpart.

In the gloomy framework of Indian defence production, warship building has emerged as a silver lining. The Kolkata class destroyers, being built at Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai, will cost the navy Rs 3800 crores each, one-third the global price for comparative warships. The INS Shivalik, now completing sea trials, is a world-class frigate built at Indian prices. Earlier this year, addressing an industries body, the Indian Navy’s chief designer, Rear Admiral MK Badhwar, called for making India a global hub for building warships.

While his appeal might have been tinged with strategic motivation --- a larger warship industry would bring down unit prices, providing the navy with even more bang for the buck --- there is little doubt that shipbuilders would profit more from crafting warships than from slapping together merchant vessels. India has developed the capabilities, including, crucially, the design expertise, to produce world-class warships. But the defence shipyards do not have the capacity to meet even the Indian Navy’s needs; playing the international warship market needs clear-sighted government intervention to synergise the working of public and private shipbuilders.

Building a merchant ship is a relatively cheap and simple process, from design to outfitting. Essentially it involves welding together a hull (often from imported steel) and then installing imported systems such as engines, radars, the steering, navigation and communications systems, and some specialist systems, e.g. for cargo handling. Imported components form the bulk of the cost, with little value addition within the shipyard. A commercial shipyard’s business plan revolves around bulk manufacture, compensating for the small profit margins by churning out as many ships as possible.

Creating a warship is infinitely more complex, and expensive. The design process is critical, with complex software shaping the “stealthiest” possible ship, virtually undetectable to an enemy. Next, a host of sensors and weapons must be accommodated to deal with different threats: enemy ships, submarines, aircraft and incoming missiles. Harmonising their different frequencies, and canalising information and weapons control into a single command centre, involves weaving an elaborate electronic tapestry.

Actually building the warship is a labour-intensive task, which involves painstakingly duplicating key systems so that the vessel can sail and fight even with one side blown out by the enemy. More than 400 kilometres of wiring must be laid out inside, all of it marked and accessible to permit repair and maintenance. A modern frigate has 25 kilometres of pipelines, built from 10,000 separate pieces of piping.

All this generates many jobs. An army of skilled craftsmen, many more than in merchant shipbuilding, does most of this work manually, through an elaborate eco-system of 100-200 private firms feeding into each warship. And these numbers are growing as defence shipyards increasingly outsource, using their own employees only for core activities like hull fabrication; fitting propulsion equipment; and installing weapons systems and sensors.

In this manpower-intensive field, India enjoys obvious advantages over the European warship builders that rule the market. These advantages are far less pronounced in merchant shipbuilding, where Korean and Chinese shipyards are turbocharged by a combination of inexpensive labour, indirect subsidies, and unflinching government support.

What makes India a potential powerhouse in warship building is not so much its labour-cost advantage as a strong design capability that the navy has carefully nurtured since 1954, when the Directorate General of Naval Design first took shape. The importance of design capability has been amply illustrated in the bloated CVF programme. The UK, having wound up its naval design bureau, has already paid over a billion dollars to private companies to design the aircraft carrier. And with every minor redesign, not unusual while building a new warship, the design bill and the programme cost goes higher.

India has everything it takes to be a warship building superpower: the springboard of design expertise; cheap and skilled labour; and mounting experience in building successful warships. What it lacks is capacity, which the government can augment with the help of private shipyards. This will significantly augment private shipyard revenue, boost defence exports, and provide the government with another strategic tool for furthering its interests in the Indian Ocean region.

Source: Broadsword: India: a global hub for warship building
 
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warship building hub? what a huge propaganda.

China is completing 2-3 modern warships such as 052c and 054a a year, plus multiple subs during the past few years, tell me what's india's output?

Please no troll, let's talk about numbers that can be verified by everyone.
 
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warship building hub? what a huge propaganda.

China is completing 2-3 modern warships such as 052c and 054a a year, plus multiple subs during the past few years, tell me what's india's output?

Please no troll, let's talk about numbers that can be verified by everyone.

I would say that the outlook of the article is futuristic rather than the present. The author of the article has qouted the Chief of navy who is suggesting that India should be made a global hub for warship building. The author has also provided some of the reasons as to why he thinks that India can be a global hub. Except for the title ( which I would say is a bit misleading if one doesnt read the article) its very clearly mentioned that India should be a global hub for wrship building for so and so reasons .Nowhere is it mentioned that it currently is one.
 
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warship building hub? what a huge propaganda.

China is completing 2-3 modern warships such as 052c and 054a a year, plus multiple subs during the past few years, tell me what's india's output?

Please no troll, let's talk about numbers that can be verified by everyone.

Well if you are saying this then i guess you lack reading skills. Read the article again carefully.
 
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‘We have already imbibed this technology at the higher end of the learning curve’

Chairman and managing director, Mazagon Dock Limited,
Vice Admiral H.S. MALHI (retd) AVSM, VSM

On Project 17

We are building three frigates of the Shivalik class, also called Project 17, of which the first ship is now in the final stages of being commissioned. Last time when we met, I had mentioned some issues with the GE turbine engine. That had set us back by a few months. We were keen on delivering the ship prior to monsoons this year. However, that deadline could not be met. The ship has undergone a number of trials at sea. At the moment, she is dry-docked, after which a final machinery trials are planned. The ship will be delivered to the Indian Navy early next year. We are conducting the trials in conjunction with Navy’s Overseeing Team as well as the ship’s staff and Naval Trial Agencies. The second ship of Project 17 will be delivered seven to eight months after the delivery of the first one. The third one will take that much more time after the delivery of the second one. Our biggest constraint is deploying limited number of Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM)’s representatives simultaneously on three ships for carrying out equipment trials and defect rectifications, if any.:yahoo::yahoo:

On Project 15A

Our other major project is 15A, which is progressing very smoothly. The first ship of this Project will be out in August 2011 and the next two will follow in August 2012 and 2013. The first destroyer, which was launched nearly a year and a half ago, is being outfitted at the moment. The second one was launched on September 18 this year. This was the first launch at MDL and indeed in the country to be pontoon-assisted. Pontoon-assisted launch overcomes the tidal constraints, which we face owing to limited depth of water along our waterfront. The other advantage of this type of launching is that weight of the ship at launch is no longer a restricting factor and, therefore, much more pre-launch outfitting is possible.
We put pontoons fore and aft and take her out. This has been a big success and we are very proud of it. The third one will also be a pontoon-assisted launch, in March next year.:bounce:

On Submarine Building

The third project that we are currently working on is Scorpene Submarine, where we have made considerable progress fabricating the pressure hull. The first boat is almost complete. In fact, we have progressed so well that the fabrication of the pressure hull for the fourth boat has also commenced. At the moment, we are waiting for the equipment to come from various OEMs. On receiving this equipment, it will be put on to the cradles and installed in the hull. Once all the equipment goes in, the hull will be welded together to form the submarine. For majority of the equipment, we are through with various stages of price negotiations and now we only have to place the order. Contrary to some press reports, our collaboration with the OEM is progressing very smoothly. Both sides are very happy with absorption of technology. All the issues that we had in the beginning pertaining to the infrastructure and industrial means (since we had not undertaken submarine construction for many years) have been resolved in very quick time. The skills of our workers are being admired by our collaborators, who consider them on par with the best in the world. In fact, the number of non-conformities or the defects that come up during construction have reduced drastically. We are really proud of our welders, structural fitters and other operatives. As far as infrastructure is concerned, we have procured additional equipment, so that work can be speeded up. At the same time, we are also setting up a full-fledged workshop with requisite facilities in order to carry out simultaneous construction of the hull at two different sites. This is being done to catch up, at the earliest possible, with delay which was not envisaged. This workshop will be set up at our Alcock Yard, where we earlier did heavy engineering work for the ONGC.

Despite our efforts in compressing the time-frame, there may be some delay in delivering all six submarines by the contractual date of December 2017, which is common in such complex project. To put this programme in perspective, TOT has been a huge success. We have imbibed the technology of constructing pressure hull very well.:chilli:
 
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I would say that the outlook of the article is futuristic rather than the present.

this exact way of thinking is killing the future of your nation.

you keep looking at the future without working hard at present, tell me how you can make the future real?

In 1984, Arjun was shown to your public during the national day parade. 25 years old, things moved from "future" to "present", tell me what happened? You have the world's most tested MBT which is still not combat ready. How that can be possible? Let me tell you the truth:

1. a lot of indian just keep talking and dreaming while refusing to work hard on what they have on hand.

2. always thinking about the "future" while just let "today" go away.


Let's share a well known Chinese saying that is taught to all our kids in China:

明日复明日,明日何其多,我生待明日万事皆蹉跎。

it can be loosely translated into English as:

tomorrow after tomorrow, there are always another tomorrow, nothing can be achieved if I spend my entire life waiting for tomorrow.

btw, it is widely believed that we already have 2 domestic aircraft carriers under construction. the carrier version of our J-11B has completed a list of its test flight. different from the indian ones, our AC will feature the radar, engines, missiles, fighters all made in China. you guys can keep dreaming about your "future", we will work hard to earn our future, a real future.
 
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Well if you are saying this then i guess you lack reading skills. Read the article again carefully.

I am asking how many domestic made 3000 tonnes plus warships have been put into active service in the past 5 years. No troll, answer the number please.

It is also funny that they mention that building civil ships are easy. How india can say that? Can you build the required engine? can you build the navigation system on your own? can you build the required radar?

or let's say such high end jobs are not "ready" for today's india, how about show me a decent sea port that can reach the half scale of the Port of Shanghai?
 
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warship building hub? what a huge propaganda.

China is completing 2-3 modern warships such as 052c and 054a a year, plus multiple subs during the past few years, tell me what's india's output?

Please no troll, let's talk about numbers that can be verified by everyone.

How you judged it as a propaganda when not having a remote knowledge ? ..

The current construction status is..

1 Aicraft carrier (Vikrant Class) 40,000 ton
2 Nuclear submarines (Arihant Class) 6000 ton each
3 Destroyers (Kolkata Class) 6800 ton each
3 Frigates (Shivalik Class) 5600 ton each
4 ASW Corvettes (Project 28) 2500 ton each
6 Diesel Submarine (Scorpene) 2000 ton each
10 Patrol Crafts (Car Nicobar and Sarayu)
2 Mine Sweepers

PS: Not included any planned and already order placed ships.

Do kindly provide current status of China.
 
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How you judged it as a propaganda when not having a remote knowledge ? ..

The current construction status is..

1 Aicraft carrier (Vikrant Class) 40,000 ton
2 Nuclear submarines (Arihant Class) 6000 ton each
3 Destroyers (Kolkata Class) 6800 ton each
3 Frigates (Shivalik Class) 5600 ton each
4 ASW Corvettes (Project 28) 2500 ton each
6 Diesel Submarine (Scorpene) 2000 ton each
10 Patrol Crafts (Car Nicobar and Sarayu)
2 Mine Sweepers

PS: Not included any planned and already order placed ships.

Do kindly provide current status of China.

I am asking how many have been completed during the past 5 years. are you telling me the who warship building industry was drunk and sleeping in the past 5 years? or are you telling me it takes more than 5 years to complete your little sinking boats?

the mindset of many indian is just very strange, keep talking about "what we are doing" but just refuse to acknowledge "what we have done".

keep this in mind dude -- you have LCA and Arjun in development for the past 30 years, that is the status of your military industry.
 
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the above ships are near completion and many are completed and will be inducted in the future
 
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It is also funny that they mention that building civil ships are easy. How india can say that? Can you build the required engine? can you build the navigation system on your own? can you build the required radar?

Neither can China... Please do some research about your own ships instead of trolling......

:tongue:
 
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I am asking how many have been completed during the past 5 years. are you telling me the who warship building industry was drunk and sleeping in the past 5 years? or are you telling me it takes more than 5 years to complete your little sinking boats?

In last 5 years? ok I will try

2 frigates
1 Corvette
3 amphibious warfare vessels
8 Patrol Vessel
 
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the above ships are near completion and many are completed and will be inducted in the future

no troll please, tell me how many recently completed ships were put into active service in your navy in the past 5 years.

in case you can't understand, let me give you an example on what we have been doing in the past 5 years,

all ships below are in active service and all completed in the past 5 years, look carefully and learn something.

2 x 052B destroyer, 7000 tons each.
2 x 051C destroyer, 7100 tons each.
2 x 052C destroyer, 7500 tons each.

8 x 054A frigate, 4000 tons each.

40 x Type-022 stealth missile boat.

2 x Qiandaohu class replenishment ship, 23000 tons each.
2 x Yuanwang class satellite tracking ship, 20000 tons plus each.
1 x Type 071 amphibious transport dock, 20000 tons.

3 x Type 094 nuclear subs, 9000 tons submerged each.
2 x Type 041 sub.

are we clear?
 
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Neither can China... Please do some research about your own ships instead of trolling......

:tongue:

for this exact reason, our media never says it is easy.

btw, satellite navigation is already mastered by Chinese, our troops have been given the Beidou handheld positioning systems during the rescue mission of the Sichuan earthquake last year.
 
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