In solidarity with the Hindu/Indian posters here on Defence.PK

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I really regret all the Sardar jokes we did as kids.

Sardar ji jokes are like our Dumb Blonde jokes.

Cannot live without.

 

[suyog chavan]

Daesh are your guys.

Others are not similar in the slightest. We are proud of our Kashmiri mijahideen groups.

Are any local mujhaideen groups even left to be proud of ??

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

However we need to be cautious in allowing such vicious posters to fill that void on this forum (though at first he will find a lot of audience in pakistani members).

The void is there because people like you have already chosen their sides as anti-Pakistani.

If you back off from your propaganda and constant trolling, there won't be any need for other members to come show a 'humane' picture of Indians.

Are any local mujhaideen groups even left to be proud of ??

Ask the dead Indian soldiers from this week.

 

[Joe Shearer]

AM, off course he has tried to explain but not what he is but how he want to be known as. Hypocrisy and hatred is quite evident and based on his submissions made on this very forum, if a good section of Indians doubt his nationality and reject his opinions as of an Indian, they are not very far off.

Indian society is polarized these days, a degree or two higher than it use to be and we have ample of India loving Indians who criticizes GOI and BJP policies, if not on this forum then in real world. However we need to be cautious in allowing such vicious posters to fill that void on this forum (though at first he will find a lot of audience in pakistani members).

This is in response to your earlier post, where you tagged me. That post that you showed was precisely why I was put off in the first place. But I changed my mind, and decided to deal with him on a post-by-post basis, each post on merit. You can't deny that the OP was a worthwhile one, and one that we can all Indians subscribe to.

I have suspended judgement on his being Indian; not enough evidence, and it is not fair to hang a dog after giving him a bad name. Why don't you look at it the same way, and let him live or die by his last post?

@ChennaiDude - you too.

 

[IMARV]

The void is there because people like you have already chosen their sides as anti-Pakistani.

If you back off from your propaganda and constant trolling, there won't be any need for other members to come show a 'humane' picture of Indians.

Dear, you please carry on with having him as source of your enlightenment about India and Indians. I have no qualms.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Yes. As long as that diverse opinion is the same as my diverse opinion. j/k

But thanks for standing up to the Sanghis. You are indeed the few left in India today.

He is Rishi Baghi from Twitter. I would be careful if I were you.

Educated. Sophisticated and cultured.

He derives sadistic pleasure from playing us and Pakistanis. Soon you will see screenshots with us on Twitter trends.

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL says the beggar from Hindustan who has to beg on PDF. The irony is mind numbing.

What does RSS teach you in Hindustan? Rape and boys are boys?

Please DO NOT feed trolls. Report them.

 

[Slav Defence]

Behave yourselves.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

That, all Hindus are Sanghis, and hate Muslims, and want to genocide them. That is simply not correct. Hindus aren't this giant monolith in India who all think exactly alike. Some of us hate Narendra Modi more than Kashmiris do.

You kind of prove this point.

You mention clearly that you dont practice Hinduism.

Assuming you mean it AND you are not a troll, this indicates a trend. I can explain, but let's leave it at that.

If you are what you say you are - you don't hope for a Muslim genocide. Because you are not a Hindu at least not in a religious sense. I appreciate that and congratulate you for it though. IF you say who you are.

Peace.

 

[KhanBaba2]

I agree bjp may incite riots but RSS has nothing to do with BJP .

That is inaccurate

What about VHP or Bajrang Dal. I guess RSS has nothing to do with those either. Or maybe they don't incite riots.

 

[IMARV]

This is in response to your earlier post, where you tagged me. That post that you showed was precisely why I was put off in the first place. But I changed my mind, and decided to deal with him on a post-by-post basis, each post on merit. You can't deny that the OP was a worthwhile one, and one that we can all Indians subscribe to.

I have suspended judgement on his being Indian; not enough evidence, and it is not fair to hang a dog after giving him a bad name. Why don't you look at it the same way, and let him live or die by his last post?

@ChennaiDude - you too.

He has a task cut out for himself, this thread and future posts are just re-calibration of damage he want to inflict. This is my take sir, but I wont stretch it any far then I already have.

His criticism and disgust for many thing Indian may well be like mine and yours, but his affection for rest of India is not. That's my struggle with him being a voice of change here on this forum. Sorry for being judgmental here.

 

[Hamza913]

As some of you would know me by now. I'm as anti-Hindutva as it gets. I am strongly opposed to Narendra Modi, BJP, RSS, and all their collective organizations. Not only at an ideological level, but also in many practical matters like who I prefer socializing with in real life. Although many of my friends and contacts in India are what would clearly fall under the category of "Sanghi," it is something I didn't choose about them. You can't really choose all your friends in the real world according to their ideology. Anyone who does that (my salutes to them), but I can't be as mahaan as such individuals.

I am as leftist liberal person as possible in the mould of say, Mani Shankar Aiyar, Navjot Singh Sidhu, or Arundhati Roy, etc. But, that does not mean I endorse everything they say or do, and they would endorse everything of mine. I have also been affiliated with Congress party of India for a very long time, but only to a certain faction within the party which is directly connected to Sonia Gandhi ji and Rahul Gandhi himself. Again, they will not endorse any of my statements or positions (why should they, anyone who thinks that they should, is going nuts!) My views are absolutely my own and not really representative of the party.

So, what are my actual positions, and far left do I lean? This is easy to answer. I am opposed to all the coercive measures being taken against Muslims in India, including CAB/NRC etc. I had contributed my own money for Shaheen Bagh protests (although I am not in India) as I think it was a very just cause. I also opposed the scrapping of Article 370 by Modi government in Kashmir. It was a violation of the rights of Kashmiris, which is protected as per UN Charter of 1948. This unilateral move by Modi has destabilized the entire region greatly.

I support the right of plebiscite for the Kashmiris, only because I have studied this problem very deeply (also, during my MA degree in international relations long ago). I think their demands are valid, and should be protected as per Indian Constitution as well as international law agreements. For the Indian posters here, I absolutely do not support Pakistan-based militants in Kashmir Valley. But I am also a realist who like to see other persons' point of view. I believe there is a war going on in Kashmir, and in wars, it is stupid to think that only your country and government is telling the truth, and the other side isn't. Someone here from Pakistan mentioned to me about the good deeds of Hafiz Saeed in that country,and I was willing to give it open thoughts. That doesn't mean I endorse Hafiz Saeed.

The point I am trying to make is very simple: just one single person (Hindu or Muslim) can be incredibly complex if they have a past academic history, or experiences living and working in many countries. I have been fortunate enough to travel/work/and live in more than 60 countries in my life including US/UK/many European countries/CIS countries/Africa/ME/SE Asia (that's a real number, and I don't recall the exact number of countries I have been to, without having to look up.) I believe travel broadens your mind a lot. That could be why some of my views sound as how you all guys like to put it, "different." But let me assure you, I am 100% Indian, and a Hindu at that (although I don't follow the religion, and completely non-practicing). I don't even believe in God although I have studied all major religions including Islam and Christianity.

Sorry about this long essay (I would myself hate to read my own speech so much). But I am getting sick and tired of all the "troll" accusations coming at me. It's derailing every single thread where I liek to participate. Today itself I got trolled by one jackass who seems to be a Pakistani based in USA. It was very mean-spirited of him to waste another person's time in such a crude manner. Although I have ignored him now, it has left a bad taste in my mouth related to this forum. I came to participate in discussions, and maybe I will do in future. But I am not going to suffer a single troll like that one again.

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Despite such a long rant about me, the intention of this essay is concerning others. It is more a form of communication to all the moderators and active users from both the countries. You need to realize one very important thing: not all Hindu posters from India think alike. Your website is becoming an echo chamber where only a certain partisan view of Indian Hindus is being reported. That, all Hindus are Sanghis, and hate Muslims, and want to genocide them. That is simply not correct. Hindus aren't this giant monolith in India who all think exactly alike. Some of us hate Narendra Modi more than Kashmiris do.


If you all want to create an echo chamber where all Hindu Indians supposedly support Narendra Modi, be my guest. I will want nothing to do with that. Another Indian Muslim user just asked me whether I am connected with Rishi, a troll of BJP IT cell, here is my answer. "Yes, I know him personally. I have met him once or twice." But that don't mean squat.

Having said this, I have met some really cool posters here, from both countries, who can understand the fact that Indian Hindu posters can have diverse opinions. And they respectfully state their positions, and we have some nice discussions.

So, basically another part of my complaint is against some of the Pakistani posters here who generalize all Indian Hindus as Sanghis, or radical Hindutvadis. Well, no one is stopping you from thinking that as it is really convenient, and we all love convenience in our lives, don't we? Rather than be confronted by something which shocks our world view (many Indians have worse notions about Pakistanis, so I am willing to give you a pass).

But, then it really reflects ignorance on your part, especially if you are unwilling to change your views. You know what happens with stuck cement? If you have not met amazing persons from India like me (I'm not the only one I am absolutely sure, there are many), it's your loss. No one from India,, Hindu or otherwise, owes you any explanation. Just like none of you owe any explanations to Hindutvadi trolls of India. It is up to each individual whether or not they want to learn new views of the other side with an open mind. No one will/can force you to do it.

I will just keep this post handy just in case someone in future blabbers about my "false flag" status, whether I am "trolling", or whatever. I don't owe anyone any explanation.Nor does any Hindu Indian poster here. Everyone can have their own independent views. Not only in this forum but in real life as well. Get used to it if not already.

The only question is: are you willing to accept and embrace the diversity of opinions in your personal life? I hope you do.

@waz @xeuss @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Whilst this forum used to have a lot of Indian trolls, I think it's now become an echo chamber for Pakistani trolls.

The mods need to crack down on the other side too.

 

[suyog chavan]

That is inaccurate

What about VHP or Bajrang Dal. I guess RSS has nothing to do with those either. Or maybe they don't incite riots.

all of the sangh pariwar groups function differently with different goals and agenda.
some are extreme some are moderate depends, as a whole you cant defame all, doesnt make sense

 

[xeuss]

Whilst this forum used to have a lot of Indian trolls, I think it's now become an echo chamber for Pakistani trolls.

The mods need to crack down on the other side too.

Should just make a subsection called "troll" and let people get their trolling out of the system there

 

[KhanBaba2]

I have not interacted with this particular user much, but he is speaking the truth here. Many Goan Christians do give Marathi vibes. Because that is what they speak at home. Or, Konkani. Some do speak Portuguese, but mostly the older ones.

Again, Anglo Indians are very different from Goan Christians.

Goans in Pakistan are culturally different from their brethren in India. Each community has adapted to its host nation that is why those "vibes" which you speak of.

Goan Christians almost never speak Marathi at home. Its always Konkani.