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In parting shot, Obama prods India on religious freedom| Reuters

(Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama weighed in on one of India's most sensitive topics as he wound up a visit on Tuesday, making a plea for freedom of religion to be upheld in a country with a history of strife between Hindus and minorities.

Hours before boarding a flight to Saudi Arabia, Obama warnedIndia not to stray from its constitutional commitment to allow people to freely "profess, practice and propagate" religion.

"India will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith, as long as it is not splintered along any lines, and it is unified as one nation," he said in a townhall address to mostly young Indians.

Obama's speech, after three days in New Delhi aimed at cementing a strategic partnership, was widely interpreted as a message to Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), whose rise to power emboldened activists to declare India a nation of Hindus.

He made no direct reference to Modi, who was banned from U.S. travel for nearly a decade until last year after deadly Hindu-Muslim violence in a state he ruled in 2002.

Lately, religious conversion has again become a divisive political issue, after hardliners with links to the BJP claimed Hinduism was under threat and started a campaign to convince Christians and Muslims to change their faith.

About a fifth of India's 1.27 billion people identify themselves as belonging to faiths other than Hinduism.

"The message is that India is a democratic country, it is not a Hindu country or a Christian country, it is all together, India has respect for all religions," said Imam Umer Ahmed Ilyasi, a Muslim priest who heads the All India Imam Organisation, after the speech. He was standing with a Hindu holy man from one of India's pilgrimage towns, Rishikesh.

Modi has warned lawmakers from his own party to stop promoting controversial issues such as religious conversions and to focus on economic reforms, but Obama's message was quickly seized by political opponents of the prime minister.

"I do hope that Prime Minister Narendra Modi was listening to the speech carefully," said Manish Tewari of the opposition Congress party, criticizing Hindu activists for promoting a "majoritarian ethos that goes against the grain of liberal democracy".



"MOBAMA"

Obama and Modi's relaxed manner together during the visit was dubbed a "bromance" inIndia media, after the two men shared tea in a lotus garden, recorded a radio show together, and spent two hours chatting at a rain-splashed military parade.

In between, they sealed deals to unlock billions of dollars in nuclear trade and deepen defense ties, and Obama pledged $4 billion in financial backing to release the "untapped potential" of a partnership between the world's largest democracies.

Some of that financing is to help Modi meet his own ambitious goals to use more renewable energy, especially solar, as fast-growing India's carbon emissions rise.

However, during the visit, India did not commit to a peak emissions target of the kindChina and the United States agreed to in November.

"Here's the truth: even if countries like the United States curb our emissions, if growing countries like India - with soaring energy needs - don't also embrace cleaner fuels, then we don't stand a chance against climate change," Obama said.

On Monday, he became the first U.S. president to attend India's annual Republic Day parade, a show of military might long associated with Cold War anti-Americanism.

Obama's presence at the parade signaled Modi's willingness to end India's traditional reluctance to get too close to any big power. Instead, he is seeking close ties with them all, even as he pushes back against a more assertive China and take sides on other global issues.A joint U.S.-India policy statement that focused on free navigation in the South ChinaSea highlighted this more muscular diplomacy.



ENDORSING INDIAN REFORM

Obama said the United States would stand first in line for the trade and investment opportunities that will spring from the economic reform drive under Modi.

"America wants to be your partner in igniting the next wave of Indian growth. As Indiapursues reforms to encourage more trade and investment, we'll be the first in line," he told the townhall, attended by Michelle Obama and Nobel peace laureate Kailash Satyarthi.

Praising the non-violence tenets of Mahatma Gandhi, Obama touched during his speech on the treatment of women, an issue that has troubled India since the horrific gang rape and murder of a student on a bus in New Delhi two years ago.

"Every daughter deserves the same chance as our sons," he said. "And every woman should be able to go about her day — to walk the street, or ride the bus — and be safe and be treated with the respect and dignity. She deserves that."
 
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I wanted to inject a doze of reality into the Indo-US discussion, hence this thread.
 
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US will always be US .Unnecessarily pass comments about other nations internal affairs .We always like a good relation with US .But this is none of their business.
And a nation having official religion should be the last one to.advice us .
We know evangelical.corporate pressure over his govt.But frankly this non of their business.
 
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US will always be US .Unnecessarily pass comments about other nations internal affairs .We always like a good relation with US .But this is none of their business.
And a nation having official religion should be the last one to.advice us .
We know evangelical.corporate pressure over his govt.But frankly this non of their business.

Unfortunately getting into a close embrace with the US would necessarily mean they WILL interfere in our internal matter. That is the nature of the beast and wishful thinking will not make it any less real.

Dangers of Evangelicalism is only going to increase. This is the same nation that poisoned Osho Rajneesh and deported him back to India for spreading Hinduism in the US.
 
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Business and defence is all good Obama ji but leave our internal matters to us.

US Courts and Constitution makes its necessary for them to interfere into our internal matters.

So the question is, what next ?
 
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US Courts and Constitution makes its necessary for them to interfere into our internal matters.

So the question is, what next ?
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US Courts and Constitution makes its necessary for them to interfere into our internal matters.

So the question is, what next ?

Nothing next. No need to be touchy about it. Obama left India for Saudi Arabia where he isn't about to give a similar speech. Doesn't mean much, reading too much into it is unnecessary.
 
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"India will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith, as long as it is not splintered along any lines, and it is unified as one nation," he said in a townhall address to mostly young Indians.

Abs correct, no dispute at all on this
 
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Nothing next. No need to be touchy about it. Obama left India for Saudi Arabia where he isn't about to give a similar speech. Doesn't mean much, reading too much into it is unnecessary.

I am not touchy about it. The idea is to consider this reality in all seriousness and debate it

This constant, consistent and powerful support from the US is going to empower few communities and encourage them to take hard stance and positions. This in turn will push the rest of the communities little bit further away. Sudden US will have a space to intervene and a few voices in India will encourage such intervention from "the most powerful country on earth" and from the "most powerful man on earth" (as our media has been hyping it).

What happens next ?

Abs correct, no dispute at all on this

LOL. Can Modi go to the US and make a comment like ""USA will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of Race and faith, as long as it is not splintered along any lines, and it is unified as one nation," ???????

How will the US media react ? :cheesy: ..........how will the Indians react ?

Already an Indian (third eye) has applauded and cheered Obamas intrusive comment and given it a thumbs up.

How many more are going to cheer such blatant interference without understanding the implications of letting US in ? ....quite a lot would be my guess.

What next ? Free Kashmir because its muslim majority ?
 
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Unfortunately getting into a close embrace with the US would necessarily mean they WILL interfere in our internal matter. That is the nature of the beast and wishful thinking will not make it any less real.

Dangers of Evangelicalism is only going to increase. This is the same nation that poisoned Osho Rajneesh and deported him back to India for spreading Hinduism in the US.

India is now governed Hindu nationlist party.And once they tried to testeour resilence our diplomatic resolve through that diplomat case.
And they were severly embarrassed by us like they did to us.
And I think actual things didnt happen in this visit except nuke deal and 2 defence JV.
I think they are really pissed off.They proposed for 17 and we only chose 2 .:lol:
 
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I am not touchy about it. The idea is to consider this reality in all seriousness and debate it

This constant, consistent and powerful support from the US is going to empower few communities and encourage them to take hard stance and positions. This in turn will push the rest of the communities little bit further away. Sudden US will have a space to intervene and a few voices in India will encourage such intervention from "the most powerful country on earth" and from the "most powerful man on earth" (as our media has been hyping it).

What happens next ?



LOL. Can Modi go to the US and make a comment like ""USA will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of Race and faith, as long as it is not splintered along any lines, and it is unified as one nation," ???????

How will the US media react ? :cheesy: ..........how will the Indians react ?

Already an Indian (third eye) has applauded and cheered Obamas intrusive comment and given it a thumbs up.

How many more are going to cheer such blatant interference without understanding the implications of letting US in ? ....quite a lot would be my guess.
What next ? Free Kashmir because its muslim majority ?
Man you are skinning hair now, Obama needed to say something to not look like he's desperate. Modi was addresing Obama by his first name for god sake. I don't think even Michele does that anymore.
 
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India is now governed Hindu nationlist party.And once they tried to testeour resilence our diplomatic resolve through that diplomat case.
And they were severly embarrassed by us like they did to us.
And I think actual things didnt happen in this visit except nuke deal and 2 defence JV.
I think they are really pissed off.They proposed for 17 and we only chose 2 .:lol:

USA does not get embarrassed.

For feeling embarrassed you need to feel Shame. US is pretty shameless and brazen. That is part of their "Value system". Its who they are.

Obama's statement had nothing to do with any agreements we had. Both India and US would be quite happy with what was achieved during the visit as it was a very successful visit.

Obama said what he did because he was under pressure to say that in public from powerful domestics forces in the US. These are the same forces who lobbied for a visa ban to Modi.

Unless we face up these realities, or relationship with the US will be based on a false premise. A fools paradise.
 
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why sanghis upset over Obama preaching religious tolerance????

or they belief in "4 hindu babies" ideology ????

Obama didnt said anything wrong..

India will be India till we are religiously tolerant to all ..................otherwise we will turn like our some neighbours
 
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Man you are skinning hair now, Obama needed to say something to not look like he's desperate. Modi was addresing Obama by his first name for god sake. I don't think even Michele does that anymore.

Now you are being deliberately dishonest.

Obama has spoken quite openly about the fact that US is wooing India and is quite explicit about it. There is no reason to "not sound desperate". US does not operate by such "feelings". It works on cold calculations and logic, most of which leads them to measure everything in terms of Money and power.

Modi kept calling Obama by his first name "barak", Obama kept calling Modi as Mr. Prime Minister and Only ONCE as Modi. Never Narendra. But all that is show biz, its irrelevant as far as realities are concerned.

why sanghis upset over Obama preaching religious tolerance????

or they belief in "4 hindu babies" ideology ????

Obama didnt said anything wrong..

India will be India till we are religiously tolerant to all ..................otherwise we will turn like our some neighbours

:lol: ...... retards like you have already degenerated into name calling. But that gives me good reason to humiliate you further.

Obama deliberately embarrassed and shamed Indians and his host by his remarks. The "Truth" has nothing to do with it. There are all kinds of truth in the world, if I start listing them here I will be banned again :lol: ............. so let us not get side tracked by the "truths" about what Obama said.

Its about what he said, Why he said and what it means for India and Indians.

I do not think India needs a "secular certificate" from either you or Obama :cheesy:
 
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