In first winter stay, 1,800 Chinese troops camping at Doklam

[Indus Pakistan]

Lol.In Doklam Plateau it is we who hold strategic advantage of height

Not for long. Read below.

What matters is that the PLA is scared after they got spanked in Doklam, they are still unable to finish the road

The whole issue is not about Dokla La. The real prize here is Jampheri Ridge to the south from which PLA can look down at the "chickens neck" Silguri Corridor and be in a position to cut off all of North East India. That is what all this is about. China already holds this region but to be able to threaten Silguri Corridor PLA needs to secure Jampheri Ridge and have sufficient logistical supply lines that could move large forces to Jampheri Ridge - this is not the case at the present.

So PLA has been "creeping" south with it's road network that can sustain large troop movement and supply. However last summer as PLA built up the tracks into proper road and moved south India became alarmed that these logistic lines would link up with Jampheri Ridge. This is when India acted by moving across the boundary and blocking road construction at Dokla La leading to the standoff. Please see map below that gives us a abbreviated grasp of the situation prevailing last summer.

Both sides retreated back to the status quo when the standoff came to a end. Now assume after this summers fiasco you are a PLA commander and insist on building that road south to Jampheri because as far as your concerned this is sovereign Chinese territory and nobody has right to place conditions on you. What would you do?

Well first thing is you can't build the road this year. The weather is now not suitable for road construction as the area is now snowed over. The next available opportunity is going to be 2018 late spring when the snow melts. So you wait right? You must know however that building the road again south toward Jampheri Ridge next year is going to lead to the same thing that happened this year. Indians will move soldiers down from the Dokla La post and stop Chinese construction crews again.

So what do you do to prevent Indians doing the same thing in spring 2018 when Chinese construction crews begin extending the road south. Well simple. You move PLA combat infantry battalion adjacent to the Dokla La and provide flank protection. With the ridge secured by PLA infantry the construction crews can resume building the road south. India will have a choice. Fight the PLA infantry battalion on the ridge giving the road crews flank protection. Destroy the PLA unit and then break through the flank. At this point the Indians will again be able to move foward and block the construction of the road. Or turn tail and press the "ignore" switch. Please see map below.

I predict by end of summer 2018, say September next this matter will have been resolved. My guess is Chinese will do exactly what I have shown on the map above and extend the road south to Jampheri Ridge. Why am I so confident? Well it's rather simple. PLA has already moved at least one infantry battalion with additional support companies as the OP has shown and they are even going to spend the winter to secure the flank permanently. Next spring when the snow thaws you guys already know what is going to happen. Just behind the PLA infantry battalion Indians are going to hear the roar of diggers, tractors and road crews at work.

I think Indians will ignore this. Modi will stay quite. Indian government will pretend it's not happening. Most of Indian media will stay quite. Chinese will remain quite. At some point a report from obscure source with Google Earth imagery showing the road has been extended all the way to Jampheri will expose Chinese determination and success.

From top of the Jampheri Ridge - Gyomochen PLA will be in position to threaten Silguri and all of North East India. Indian Army will be left with just one option -beef up forces along Silguri to secure it. Now lets wait till next September 2018.

@AndrewJin @Chinese-Dragon @RescueRanger @I.R.A

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I acknowledge tensions are high as many pdf Chinese delusions on Doklam seems to be crumbling.

Erm, what delusions are you talking about?

Do you deny that there are thousands of Chinese troops in Doklam, permanent garrisons, or multiple major roads being built there?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So when is china going to build the road

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but China has already completed multiple major roads in Donglang, with construction still ongoing:

 

[GS Zhou]

Looks like a perfect place to deploy some balloons, and put some radars on top of the balloons. The balloon-based radars could bring our best wishes to IAF.

 

[KAL-EL]

Are the winters very brutal in Doklam?

 

[CoffeeByte]

You should open google maps in 3D view, and tell me why Doklam plateau is so important.

It would have been I.important if Chinese managed to complete road but they were too scared and failed.

I have seen a lot of Indians trying to spin this as an Indian victory, but none have been successful so far. The facts on the ground are just so overwhelming.

There is only one overwhelming fact on the ground:
PLA got humiliated and spanked on her own territory and was forced to stop road construction which she is unable to resume even today.

I predict by end of summer 2018, say September next this matter will have been resolved. My guess is Chinese will do exactly what I have shown on the map above and extend the road south to Jampheri Ridge. Why am I so confident? Well it's rather simple. PLA has already moved at least one infantry battalion with additional support companies as the OP has shown and they are even going to spend the winter to secure the flank permanently. Next spring when the snow thaws you guys already know what is going to happen. Just behind the PLA infantry battalion Indians are going to hear the roar of diggers, tractors and road crews at work.

Lol.
PLA has just one or two battalions in the area.
Whereas we have an entire reinforced bridage along with an attached mountain artillery regiment.

 

[Han Patriot]

Not for long. Read below.

The whole issue is not about Dokla La. The real prize here is Jampheri Ridge to the south from which PLA can look down at the "chickens neck" Silguri Corridor and be in a position to cut off all of North East India. That is what all this is about. China already holds this region but to be able to threaten Silguri Corridor PLA needs to secure Jampheri Ridge and have sufficient logistical supply lines that could move large forces to Jampheri Ridge - this is not the case at the present.

So PLA has been "creeping" south with it's road network that can sustain large troop movement and supply. However last summer as PLA built up the tracks into proper road and moved south India became alarmed that these logistic lines would link up with Jampheri Ridge. This is when India acted by moving across the boundary and blocking road construction at Dokla La leading to the standoff. Please see map below that gives us a abbreviated grasp of the situation prevailing last summer.

Both sides retreated back to the status quo when the standoff came to a end. Now assume after this summers fiasco you are a PLA commander and insist on building that road south to Jampheri because as far as your concerned this is sovereign Chinese territory and nobody has right to place conditions on you. What would you do?

Well first thing is you can't build the road this year. The weather is now not suitable for road construction as the area is now snowed over. The next available opportunity is going to be 2018 late spring when the snow melts. So you wait right? You must know however that building the road again south toward Jampheri Ridge next year is going to lead to the same thing that happened this year. Indians will move soldiers down from the Dokla La post and stop Chinese construction crews again.

So what do you do to prevent Indians doing the same thing in spring 2018 when Chinese construction crews begin extending the road south. Well simple. You move PLA combat infantry battalion adjacent to the Dokla La and provide flank protection. With the ridge secured by PLA infantry the construction crews can resume building the road south. India will have a choice. Fight the PLA infantry battalion on the ridge giving the road crews flank protection. Destroy the PLA unit and then break through the flank. At this point the Indians will again be able to move foward and block the construction of the road. Or turn tail and press the "ignore" switch. Please see map below.

I predict by end of summer 2018, say September next this matter will have been resolved. My guess is Chinese will do exactly what I have shown on the map above and extend the road south to Jampheri Ridge. Why am I so confident? Well it's rather simple. PLA has already moved at least one infantry battalion with additional support companies as the OP has shown and they are even going to spend the winter to secure the flank permanently. Next spring when the snow thaws you guys already know what is going to happen. Just behind the PLA infantry battalion Indians are going to hear the roar of diggers, tractors and road crews at work.

I think Indians will ignore this. Modi will stay quite. Indian government will pretend it's not happening. Most of Indian media will stay quite. Chinese will remain quite. At some point a report from obscure source with Google Earth imagery showing the road has been extended all the way to Jampheri will expose Chinese determination and success.

From top of the Jampheri Ridge - Gyomochen PLA will be in position to threaten Silguri and all of North East India. Indian Army will be left with just one option -beef up forces along Silguri to secure it. Now lets wait till next September 2018.

@AndrewJin @Chinese-Dragon @RescueRanger @I.R.A

I agree with your analysis except for the importance of Jampheri ridge. The important portion is actually Doklam plateau which is flatter, bigger in size and at higher elevation. The extension to the ridge was more of a symbolic move to reach the real trijunction.

Looks like a perfect place to deploy some balloons, and put some radars on top of the balloons. The balloon-based radars could bring our best wishes to IAF.
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Exactly, the highest flat piece of real estate is that flat piece of land from where your perspective is viewing towards Siliguri, realize there is no obstacles blocking you. This is 'Doklam Plateau', currently occupied by us.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

China should stop handling India with kid gloves. It is time for China to annex Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and North East India and be done with.

 

[Han Patriot]

It would have been I.important if Chinese managed to complete road but they were too scared and failed.

You see that yellow line, I wonder what are they?

 

[I.R.A]

@Kaptaan

• Its an Indian failure, they reacted to the situation and had no beforehand information of the Chinese plan

• If Doka La is / was Bhutanese territory, then Bhutan would seriously be considering its ties with India, everything has been about India and China, there is nothing about Bhutan ..... they didn't gain anything from this standoff and retreat (were they even party to the negotiations on this), in fact their territory got occupied by Chinese?

• Chinese have mastered the art of quick construction in the most difficult regions / areas, they have the experience, so much so that they can start building in the snow. If they are after Jampheri Ridge (as you suggest), I am sure they will have plan A, B, C and may be Z to accomplish that ..... it wasn't that they one day decided to build a road in Doka La. The have their options weighed and calculated, India on the other hand seems to remain reactive.

• After looking at countless pictures I can safely assume that both parties are just going to limit their confrontation to kicks, punches and stones only ....... none of the face tells me that they are willing to pull the trigger.

 

[Han Patriot]

@Kaptaan

• Its an Indian failure, they reacted to the situation and had no beforehand information of the Chinese plan

• If Doka La is / was Bhutanese territory, then Bhutan would seriously be considering its ties with India, everything has been about India and China, there is nothing about Bhutan ..... they didn't gain anything from this standoff and retreat (were they even party to the negotiations on this), in fact their territory got occupied by Chinese?

• Chinese have mastered the art of quick construction in the most difficult regions / areas, they have the experience, so much so that they can start building in the snow. If they are after Jampheri Ridge (as you suggest), I am sure they will have plan A, B, C and may be Z to accomplish that ..... it wasn't that they one day decided to build a road in Doka La. The have their options weighed and calculated, India on the other hand seems to remain reactive.

• After looking at countless pictures I can safely assume that both parties are just going to limit their confrontation to kicks, punches and stones only ....... none of the face tells me that they are willing to pull the trigger.

Definitely no war if India stays within her borders, the drone incident was most likely a Chinese EW attack to humiliate India further. Now they are begging for the return of the drone. 12mil$ a pop.

 

[I.R.A]

the drone incident was most likely a Chinese EW attack to humiliate India further.

Is there any credible evidence to back this or its just an assumption? The height at which drone may have flown and the weather conditions in that region during this time of the year ........ may have actually caused and resulted in drone going haywire and subsequently crashing inside Chinese territory?

 

[twocents]

Is there any credible evidence to back this or its just an assumption? The height at which drone may have flown and the weather conditions in that region during this time of the year ........ may have actually caused and resulted in drone going haywire and subsequently crashing inside Chinese territory?

Other than the brief statement by the spokeman of the western theatre command there is virtually nothing else said about the incident. As for the situation at Donglong(doklam) Chinese troops remain stationed there. China did agree to stop road construction for the remainder of the calender year. 2018 will be an entirely different matter. Lets' stay tuned.

 

[Han Patriot]

Is there any credible evidence to back this or its just an assumption? The height at which drone may have flown and the weather conditions in that region during this time of the year ........ may have actually caused and resulted in drone going haywire and subsequently crashing inside Chinese territory?

The timing and location is just too coincidental for such a crash, India will not fly the drone into Chinese airspace, they can observe Chinese activities even from within Indian air space. Drones don't just suddenly veer off and lose communications, realize there was no mention of adverse weather either. Indians would normally be the first to blame weather rather than incompetence.

 

[rcrmj]

Doklam was under control of China even during world war 2.
All this drama of Bhutain claiming it to be a part of their territory was done to give India an excuse to operate in their area.

What matters is that the PLA is scared after they got spanked in Doklam, they are still unable to finish the road

China can deploy a million troops for all I care, as long as they are unable to complete the road they will laughed at for being COWARDS.

whats the whole point of building roads? isnt that for moving in tropps, supplies and equipment, and to have troops stationed permanently? as it now we have done in your face````lol, you funny primitive Indian's logic is always amusing. mental-masturbation is a disease, you know why India is still a factor driven primitive society? because you lot like to mental-masturbate``