In favor of Hindutva; by a Pakistani muslim

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Hindutvadi advocates.


Fraud at this scale is not possible.

Politics can turn the moon into Sun.

 

[Longhorn]

Brilliantly put.

We will not be what we were if we change to that horribly narrow-minded model.

And you got it precisely right; not only the minorities, but even non-bigoted Hindus will suffer.

I can empathise in the predicament people such as yourself find yourselves in when it comes to balancing nationalism with personal and human values. We in Pakistan have been through, and IMO are in the process of reversing, a long and painful experience of theocratisation of the state and society. Religious dogma as a political philosophy and policy, once implemented, has to run its course and then, provided the political will is there, takes generations to halt and reverse.
In that sense Pakistan is about 40 years ahead of India on the learning curve.
It becomes very difficult for people such as you and I to relate and connect to a state and nation to which we are emotionally attached and invested, yet from whose philosophy and direction we are repulsed and disconnected from.
In the past, despite being Pakistani and all that entails vis a vis India, I have been an admirer of the Indian political philosophy of being a secular, multicultural nation, if not always of its implementation in practical terms. So it is with a tinge of sadness that , bearing in mind our own national experiences, that I see India going the way it is, knowing that at the stage India is in its Hindufication process, it has already crossed the point of no return. The minds of a vast proportion of the population have already been poisoned. That poison will manifest itself in one way if a Hindu nationalist government is in power and in another, probably more corrosive way, if a secular party comes to power.
Whatever the future, people like you and I will need to keep raising our voices and fighting for what we believe to be right for human values and consequently for our respective countries.

 

[Jackdaws]

Hindutvadi advocates.


Fraud at this scale is not possible.

They've had their chance. The only thing positive about them is that they are nowhere as near corrupt as the Congress which has assumed it has some divine right to rule India and loot a India. They have done some reasonably good job in cutting out the middle man and giving benefits to the poor. But they've run the economy into the ground. They get a walkover in most elections. Everyone knows they are inept and stupid.

 

[itsanufy]

Count again. 39% is the majority? What do you say about the views of the 61% who didn't want this to be a Hindu country, but a country where Hindus live with their head held high? Like the Muslims? Why do I need to put down @jamahir, or @xeuss, or @Naofumi, or @Mad Scientist 2.0, or @AfrazulMandal to prove my self-worth?

Who's next? The Sikhs? They've already been given the treatment, and the entire nation came out stinking due to that. Should we wallow in that shit once again?

To be honest, I couldn't careless what they call themselves, or anyone wants to call anything for themselves.
But their is a caveat in it. It is one thing to call yourselves what you want. But it is another thing to impose yourselves on others, killing them.

That's where I don't agree with you. Hindutva is another form of Nazism , because by their own stated aims and mantras they want to make whole of India as a Hindu state.

I have just prove from their own census of 2011 last full census in India. 45% of the population is not Hindu.
What they want is to covert the 45% by force or kill them.
You think there is no problem for Pakistan in it!! All humanity should have problems with it.
This going to be worse than Nazi Germany, mark my words, if these killer and terrorists not stopped now. Humanity is going to regret it.

They are more Hindus than any upper cast. They are the primary foor soldiers. Modi for example is an OBC

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pak needs more of Hindutva more than ever before...

Let the Congress Party be damned for the eternity....

 

[xeuss]

This is the problem with Hinduism. Hinduism itself is more secular than secularism. This is why, India can't be a so called "Hindu rastra". It's a fraud.

Hinduism may not have strict defined beliefs like the Abrahamic faiths, but it is still a belief system with rituals and customs. This can never, by any stretch of imagination, be considered as equivalent or greater than secularism, a principle that avoids religious interference within public and political sphere.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

You are contradicting your own statement, if Hindu-ism is secular than why it can't be called a Hindu Rashtra.

The thing is India is secular 'cause it has a secular constitution, Hinduism or for that matter any religion cannot be secular.

Secularism is not anti-religion, it is more about equality of all religions and with equal freedom to follow them.

Secular are not those states, where organised religions take the front seat to drive it.
Hinduism is not a organised faith. It has no commandments or rules which can apply on the group of people.

Hinduism may not have strict defined beliefs like the Abrahamic faiths, but it is still a belief system with rituals and customs. This can never, by any stretch of imagination, be considered as equivalent or greater than secularism, a principle that avoids religious interference within public and political sphere.

You mixing up things.
Faith and ideology are two different things.
Muslims countries can call themselves as "Islamic Republic " because it has ideology of Sharia Law within it which can apply on the group of the people.
But Hinduism don't have any particular ideology but faith.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Secular are not those states, where organised religions take the front seat to drive it.
Hinduism is not a organised faith. It has no commandments or rules which can apply on the group of people.

Announce Modi as avtaar of any idol and he will unite you people under his command after making himself Prim minister for life....Simple...
He will re-write some history and some religious books and here you go...

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Announce Modi as avtaar of any idol and he will unite you people under his command after making himself Prim minister for life....Simple...
He will re-write some history and some religious books and here you go...

No. Thanks for advice. But no.

 

[xeuss]

You mixing up things.
Faith and ideology are two different things.
Muslims countries can call themselves as "Islamic Republic " because it has ideology of Sharia Law within it which can apply on the group of the people.
But Hinduism don't have any particular ideology but faith.

I think you have this all mixed up in the wrong way. Perhaps you should read a bit more. That is all I can say.

 

[fitpOsitive]

You are contradicting your own statement, if Hindu-ism is secular than why it can't be called a Hindu Rashtra.

The thing is India is secular 'cause it has a secular constitution, Hinduism or for that matter any religion cannot be secular.

Secularism is not anti-religion, it is more about equality of all religions and with equal freedom to follow them.

Exactly.

 

[Gadkari]

See, I understand these things deeper than anyone else. I let's not speculate in advance about things. I really want to see, how people of India will feel when there will a hindutva system in India.
If it failed, it will be failed for ever. And if it survived, then we will be proven wrong.


That's by brother, an speculation.

Nope, THAT is fear mongering.

The staple fodder of propagandist keen to deny people their rights.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

I think you have this all mixed up in the wrong way. Perhaps you should read a bit more. That is all I can say.

No need. My point was, just to clarify that, why India can't be a "Hindu Rastra"!
You need to have ideology for that.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Exactly.

I can understand Hindutva better than Hinduism, which is so complex that I cannot decipher it.

So lets call India a Hindutva India, better still a Hindutva Bharat, or just a 'Hindutva'...makes life easier for us and millions and millions of intrigued, perplexed people who are trying to figure it out.

 

[Gadkari]

You obviously have not been reading enough, or understand enough what exactly a Hindu Rashtra entails. You think it will be like any other republic in the world with just Hinduism as an official state religion.

If you carefully study Hindutva, it is nothing more than a demand to subjugate primarily Muslims and Islam. If you look at their manifestos, every agenda and policy is about Muslims and how to crush them. I find it ludicrous you are willingly endorsing such a call.

Yes, Hindutva and Hnduism clearly revolve around "islam" and "muslims"

We sit around all day "dreaming" of "subjugating muslims and islam" because you are THAT important to us Our whole world revolves around you.

In fact you are so important that we have decided to call you "kafir" and have decided to declare "false gods" and demolish temples and idols . OH WAIT.


I guess you need to substitute Hindutva with something else and THEN that shoe fits. lol.