In favor of Hindutva; by a Pakistani muslim

[N.Siddiqui]

I kick this bigotry and superlative hypocrisy. In my humble opinion, Hindus reserve full right to declare India as Hindus Rashtra.

I agree and second your idea of India be declared a Hindu country...

India in all practical purpose is a Hindu country, not possible for a secular country to vote extremist BJP and Modi to power.

By constitution though India is a secular country, and constitution cannot change the hearts and minds of people, a large population of India want India to be a Hindu Rashtra.

This will end the double standards and hypocrisy now seen in India, a Hindu country with a secular constitution.

It will be good for Pakistan, Indian ideologue that since India is secular and that there are 200 million muslims in India, than why a separate Muslim nation Pakistan was needed, and the reason India never accepted Pakistan...that will be quashed.

It will give weight and authenticity to the two nation theory....lots of good points for Pakistan and India too.

Hindus will get a sense of pride and ownership, now liberal/westernised Hindus mocks and ridicule the fundamentalist Hindus...and they were made to feel inferior with an inferior, superstitious religion according to them...and that moving away from Hinduism is good according to the secular liberal Indians.

 

[jamahir]

Well, I may sound crazy, but yes, I fully support the idea of constitution of a Hindu national country in our neighborhood.
At the time of partition, muslims were 24% of the total population, yet they demanded a separate country. My forefathers supported that idea, I also stick to it.
However, Hindus were 85 percent, and even today, they are 80% in India. And yet they are not allowed to declare India as a Hindu country.

My question is why not?

If USA can write : In god(christian god) we trust, why can't a Hindu do the same? If top leadership in USA and Germany and even in Russia today declares themselves Christians, Pakistan and Iran can use the name Islamic republic, why only Hindu is pushed to declare themselves as secular? Why can't Hindus also write Hindu republic or Sanatana Republic?

I kick this bigotry and superlative hypocrisy. In my humble opinion, Hindus reserve full right to declare India as Hindus Rashtra.

Individual thoughts please.
@Joe Shearer dont kill me for my thoughts, but I really think that Hindus are victim here.
@Nilgiri @pothead @Soumitra @jamahir

Sorry but giving USA as example for India to follow is an unfair one but you have answered to that yourself. USA Establishment sees itself as a modern Crusader which conquers other lands supposedly for Democracy.

India's creators, primarily Nehru, saw India as a secular country but they did a mistake : Of not defining Secularism as keeping religion to the farthest from bureaucracy and other public life but instead keeping all religions equidistant from governance. This created the situation of "I will tolerate your religious nonsense as long as you tolerate my religious nonsense".

All in all, India is yet to achieve the twin goals of Socialism and True Secularism that the 1976 introduction to the Indian constitution promises.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

There is a Supreme court ruling that says its the same thing.

And that puts an end to that argument.

What I can understand is Hinduism is obviously more about religion, Hindutva is more about politics...but again Hindutva is using the religion Hinduism for political gains. So that makes it similar.

 

[jamahir]

Muslims were 2nd class citizens under Congress rule

Let me tell you this from the perspective of an Indian Muslim. Compared to the tiny Indian Parsi community why hasn't the Indian Muslim community fared well in getting itself into a better socio-economic position ? Compare the common Indian Muslim especially of the last 20 years with the past intellectual movements in Muslim-majority countries like Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Syria etc.

 

[fitpOsitive]

I am afraid you are mixing Hindu and Hindutva...yes there are similarities.

So, Is Hinduism and Hindutva the Same Thing?
Unlike Hinduism, the word ‘Hindutva’ didn’t come into popular discourse until 1923. It was coined by V.D. Savarkar in his text. For him, ‘Hindutva’ wasn’t the same as Hinduism. It had nothing to do with the practices and beliefs of the religion, but was only concerned with the political domination of the Hindus. Given this, it can be said that Hinduism and Hindutva are not the same, but they aren’t contradictory either. What Hinduism does in the social lives of the people, Hindutva does so in the political life. Hindutva is an ideology of Brahminical supremacy, and to achieve that goal, the best tool is to practice the religion of Hinduism.

https://feminisminindia.com/2020/02/10/hinduism-vs-hindutva-distinction-convenience/

But I still support Hindutva idea.
If Hindus of India really want that, then why not.

 

[Kabira]

People talk like Congress rule was secular. Look at muslim representation in every department compared to their population, this isn't BJP doing.

Congress tried to keep Kashmiris under the feet but BJP literally started ethnic cleansing.

 

[Gadkari]

What I can understand is Hinduism is obviously more about religion, Hindutva is more about politics...but again Hindutva is using the religion Hinduism for political gains. So that makes it similar.

Hindutva is a political response to aggressive political religions/ideology like islam, christianity and communism that seeks to NEGATE Hindu faith, values, culture and world views.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

There are two aspects. The first one is though India remained secular at the behest of the rulers back in independence the vast majority was not aware much of the terms of what a secularism means. The aspirations of vast majority remain unchecked by the ruling majority who had different outlook to rule a country.

Second aspect is that , though the country remained secular on paper in most instances it remained different in practise. At the time of indipendence people were too uneducated to properly understand their aspirations . And now when they are getting education their aspirations becoming clear and they want to move farther away from it. Atleast the majority.

joe and shantanu have same thoughts as to the rulers after indipendence but they are too small in no. And vast majority is not like that

 

[Joe Shearer]

What is this 39%? Voters of BJP?

Yup. That's all they are. The rest is noise.

There are two aspects. The first one is though India remained secular at the behest of the rulers back in independence the vast majority was not aware much of the terms of what a secularism means. The aspirations of vast majority remain unchecked by the ruling majority who had different outlook to rule a country.

Second aspect is that , though the country remained

Hey, complete that please. This is getting interesting.

Hindutva is a political response to aggressive political religions/ideology like islam, christianity and communism that seeks to NEGATE Hindu faith, values, culture and world views.

As the man has the honesty to point out, Hindutva is political, and has nothing to do with the Hindu faith. It is our vegetarian version of Al Qaeda.

 

[Gadkari]

But I still support Hindutva idea.
If Hindus of India really want that, then why not.

Do you support building of Ram temple over the disputed site in Ayodhya ?

And the krishna temple over the current mosque that is built of the earlier temple ruins ? and the shiv temple in kashi vishwanath (again mosque on temple). ?

Better know what it is that you are claiming to support.

 

[Joe Shearer]

People talk like Congress rule was secular. Look at muslim representation in every department compared to their population, this isn't BJP doing.

Congress tried to keep Kashmiris under the feet but BJP literally started ethnic cleansing.

I agree with you. The Congress made a lot of mistakes. So what? Those of us who believe in the secular ideal don't necessarily believe in secular practice that the Congress followed.

But I still support Hindutva idea.
If Hindus of India really want that, then why not.

We don't. It has been stated clearly; Hindutva is a distorted form of Hindu-first hysteria.

 

[Max]

Well the only demand Indian Muslims should have is 15% representation in every sector including govt. whether majority follow Hindutva, Islamic republic or communism should not be their concern as they are not majority yet. When Muslims will become majority, they can implement whatever they want.

 

[pothead]

We don't. It has been stated clearly; Hindutva is a distorted form of Hindu-first hysteria.

"we"?

Speak for yourself.
There are crores of us who want it...

Hindu = Hindutva.

It's the Classic strategy of fuddus to alienate "secular" Hindus who don't know better and think Goa inquisitions were picnics and Jodha-Akbar really happened...

 

[fitpOsitive]

I agree with you. The Congress made a lot of mistakes. So what? Those of us who believe in the secular ideal don't necessarily believe in secular practice that the Congress followed.



We don't. It has been stated clearly; Hindutva is a distorted form of Hindu-first hysteria.

So may be a poll on that will be a right path to follow.

Do you support building of Ram temple over the disputed site in Ayodhya ?

And the krishna temple over the current mosque that is built of the earlier temple ruins ? and the shiv temple in kashi vishwanath (again mosque on temple). ?

Better know what it is that you are claiming to support.

I support building of Ram temple at the same place where Hindu majority wants it too.
I clearly know what I am supporting. I never bring my ego, when it comes to settling disputes.

Yup. That's all they are. The rest is noise.

That was intrusting to know.

 

[Gadkari]

I support building of Ram temple at the same place where Hindu majority wants it too.
I clearly know what I am supporting. I never bring my ego, when it comes to settling disputes.

Then I must say you are more open minded and secure than Indian muslims.

Imagine that. lol.