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Recent warnings from local authorities about “untrustworthy” Indian businessmen and a spate of trading disputes sparked by financial strains of West Asian companies, some of which were run by Indians, have created an atmosphere of distrust and tension in one of China's largest trading towns, local traders say.

A website run by the Yiwu local government last month warned of “many Indian businessmen being involved in disputes” after one trader, named Ali, left China owing 16 million RMB ($ 2.5 million) to 145 businessmen.

The website reported that he had ordered 30 million RMB worth of goods between September and December, but subsequently disappeared.

Following the incident, police issued a warning to traders “to be careful of Indian businessmen.” The local authorities also cited a case two Indian businessmen, holding tourist visas, leaving China with 2.8 million RMB worth of goods two years ago.

In recent weeks, the kidnapping of two Indian traders — employed by a Yemeni national according to reports — by angry Chinese businessmen has further underscored rising strains in this tough trading town, leaving unclear future for the several hundred Indian businessmen who have worked here for decades with few problems.

Many local businesses in Yiwu have, in recent months, also been hit by falling orders from West Asia following the Arab Spring unrest. Many West Asian companies, Chinese traders said, had closed shop leaving dues running into millions of dollars unpaid. Some of the companies were managed or run by Indian employees.

“Business is down by 20 or 30 per cent, so there is a lot of anger here,” said one Chinese trader.

Although the two Indian traders were unlawfully abducted and abused in captivity over two weeks, there was little sympathy for them among many Chinese traders in Yiwu. On one Yiwu web portal frequented by local businessmen, a post discussing the recent case described Indians and Libyans as being the source of most trade disputes.

Indian traders here say the official warnings triggered by only a few disputes have created unfounded misperceptions.

“In India and in China, there are a few bad apples,” said one trader from New Delhi who has worked in Yiwu for eight years, during which he said he had faced “no problems”.

“Many Chinese exporters to India too often sell below quality goods, but we cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Many other Chinese I've worked with have been honest and trusting.”

Advisory

Following the recent case, the Indian Embassy in Beijing issued an advisory, cautioning Indians not do business in Yiwu, warning that “when there are trade disputes… Indian businessmen/traders can be illegally held under detention and mistreated by Chinese businessmen.”

The Indian trader said he was unsure how the local authorities would respond to the warning, and feared it could risk fuelling further mutual suspicions instead of bridging gaps. Indian officials, however, said the advisory was needed to stress strongly that unlawful intimidation and kidnapping could not be tolerated.

The two Indian traders were detained by businessmen after the owner of their company, thought to be from Yemen, fled leaving more than 10 million RMB ($ 1.58 million) in unpaid dues.

Hong Lei, spokesperson of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, said on Wednesday the dispute was “only an individual case,” and that China hoped India would “educate Indian businessmen in China to abide by laws and regulations and conduct business in good faith.”

For Yiwu's Indians, however, the harsh treatment meted out to the two traders has only stirred fears, with the widely perceived close connections between local businessmen and the authorities, leaving unclear whether they would be provided any protection, either from police or by law, in the event of future disputes.

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Never give indian any credits always ask for cash in advance.
 
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Never give indian any credits always ask for cash in advance.

Kiryane ki dukaan lga rakhi hai kya, lala ji.. :lol:

on topic :

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The two Indian traders were detained by businessmen after the owner of their company, thought to be from Yemen, fled leaving more than 10 million RMB ($ 1.58 million) in unpaid dues.

It's the owner's responsibility to clear the due's not the employees.. The two Indian employees were equally cheated by that Yemeni thief but then you Chinese instead of taking action against the company kidnapped the employees who probably had no clue that their employer had left them in such a mess..

In the end, they were only employees who are paid salaries to work for the company. Do you seriously think they were even rich enough to pay your 10 million RMB?

It's your fault that you did not handled the dealings with Yemeni trader properly and in no
way the fault of the employees..

I think this incident is an eye opener for Indians visiting China.. These folks are unreliable and unpredictable.. They are not able to think logically.. Better stay away from them..
 
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And then it turned into a big diplomatic incident, because some guy fainted.
 
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These indians always use the same trick , one fled and the one left behind said he got nothing to do with the money this happened to my friend in uk.But in the end my friend had to threaten that indian crook with violence to get his money back.
 
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These indians always use the same trick , one fled and the one left behind said he got nothing to do with the money this happened to my friend in uk.But in the end my friend had to threaten that indian crook with violence to get his money back.

Are you guys all dumb? The guy who fled was a Yemeni.. Why are you trying to show that he was Indian?
 
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These indians always use the same trick , one fled and the one left behind said he got nothing to do with the money this happened to my friend in uk.But in the end my friend had to threaten that indian crook with violence to get his money back.

the indians which were kidnapped by chinese traders were not crooks,they were employees of an organisation which defrauded the chinese traders whos owner(not an indian)fled with the money leaving employees there,how can one hold the employees responsible for it if its the owner who defrauded the money,how can the high iq chinese justify kidnapping,beating the employees
what if your company owner defrauded traders in another country would you accept similar treatment by the locals towards you ie kidnapping,beating,denying food?

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Just becos he fled to yemen it doesnt mean he is not indian

that doesnt give the traders the right to kidnap,beat the indian employees
target the person who defrauded and not people who were not aware of the fraud
 
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the indians which were kidnapped by chinese traders were not crooks,they were employees of an organisation which defrauded the chinese traders whos owner(not an indian)fled with the money leaving employees there,how can one hold the employees responsible for it if its the owner who defrauded the money,how can the high iq chinese justify kidnapping,beating the employees
what if your company owner defrauded traders in another country would you accept similar treatment by the locals towards you ie kidnapping,beating,denying food?

How do you know those two employees had nothing to do with it? i seen you indians using the same trick over and over again in uk.
 
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How do you know those two employees had nothing to do with it? i seen you indians using the same trick over and over again in uk.

how do you know they are involved in it,most logically if they were involved in it they would have fled with the owner
most importantly even if thay defrauded that doesnt mean the chinese trader can kidnap,beat them or deny food how do the chinese members justify that?
 
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Mistrust is both way street. There 1~2% or less bad businessmen from India and equally or more no of Chinese businessmen with unlawful or practices. You may hear tons of stories that Chinese shown apples and shipped rotten lemons.

In this case I'll blame Chinese guy, why he did not follow the std. process of trading via LC / bank guarantee?

Bottom-line ... Chinese cannot ignore Indian part of business, especially in current economical situation.

Mistrust will hurt businessmen on both side and soon you'll find both Chinese and Indian businessmen wooing each other for business.

PS: Taiwanese has done worst to Chinese businessmen and labor and still thriving in China. It's a insignificant setback and business will return to normal after wk or two.
 
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how do you know they are involved in it,most logically if they were involved in it they would have fled with the owner
most importantly even if thay defrauded that doesnt mean the chinese trader can kidnap,beat them or deny food how do the chinese members justify that?

CWG: After Aus, UK irked by late payment

NEW DELHI: UK high commissioner Richard Stagg has strongly protested the government's plans to withhold a Rs 96 crore payment to British broadcasting company SIS Live for irregularities in its contract with Prasar Bharati to telecast the Delhi Commonwealth Games.

UK joined Australia in complaining about delayed payments for the CWG with the V K Shunglu committee probing irregularities in the Games writing to information and broadcasting ministry recommending a "stop payment". It said there was evidence of wrong doings and "startling" facts in the Rs 246 crore contract had come to the committee's notice.

CWG: After Aus, UK irked by late payment - Times Of India

shame on india even your government is at it
 
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CWG: After Aus, UK irked by late payment

NEW DELHI: UK high commissioner Richard Stagg has strongly protested the government's plans to withhold a Rs 96 crore payment to British broadcasting company SIS Live for irregularities in its contract with Prasar Bharati to telecast the Delhi Commonwealth Games.

UK joined Australia in complaining about delayed payments for the CWG with the V K Shunglu committee probing irregularities in the Games writing to information and broadcasting ministry recommending a "stop payment". It said there was evidence of wrong doings and "startling" facts in the Rs 246 crore contract had come to the committee's notice.

CWG: After Aus, UK irked by late payment - Times Of India

shame on india even your government is at it

delayed payment and fraud/cheating are 2 different issues,i thought they taught the difference to the high iq chinese :victory:
 
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Mistrust is both way street. There 1~2% or less bad businessmen from India and equally or more no of Chinese businessmen with unlawful or practices. You may hear tons of stories that Chinese shown apples and shipped rotten lemons.

In this case I'll blame Chinese guy, why he did not follow the std. process of trading via LC / bank guarantee?

Bottom-line ... Chinese cannot ignore Indian part of business, especially in current economical situation.

Mistrust will hurt businessmen on both side and soon you'll find both Chinese and Indian businessmen wooing each other for business.

PS: Taiwanese has done worst to Chinese businessmen and labor and still thriving in China. It's a insignificant setback and business will return to normal after wk or two.

You may hear tons of stories that Chinese shown apples and shipped rotten lemons.

This is another oftenly use trick by crook indians business men too , they will find all sort of excuses to complaint about the goods to with hold or delay the payment.
 
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Mistrust is both way street. There 1~2% or less bad businessmen from India and equally or more no of Chinese businessmen with unlawful or practices. You may hear tons of stories that Chinese shown apples and shipped rotten lemons.

In this case I'll blame Chinese guy, why he did not follow the std. process of trading via LC / bank guarantee?

Bottom-line ... Chinese cannot ignore Indian part of business, especially in current economical situation.

Mistrust will hurt businessmen on both side and soon you'll find both Chinese and Indian businessmen wooing each other for business.

PS: Taiwanese has done worst to Chinese businessmen and labor and still thriving in China. It's a insignificant setback and business will return to normal after wk or two.

Let me put this in a way such that more people can understand.

I witnessed a theft. Instead of punishing the criminal, I ask the victim, why did you not protect yourself from the thief?
 
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