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If we don't defend, then there is nothing left to develop!

I do not trust the whole baloney of how India should build all its ability, we can only equip what ever we can afford, the knights had the armor because they could afford it, and the common soldier could not.

The Chinese have left us in dust with their economic growth and military growth, no kind of "zealot military" policy can bring any parity in this situation. The best thing is make peace with Chinese, no do not bring surrender as a term. Co-Operate and compromise or just buy time.

Exactly. Since the founding of the PRC in 1949, we had two great enemies, the superpower USA and the superpower USSR. We fought head on against both of them, against the USA during the Korean war and against the USSR during the Sino-Soviet split.

It was unsustainable, a third-world country arrayed against the two superpowers of the world.

So we made peace with the USA in the 1970's, focusing on our common enemy the USSR (which later collapsed in 1991).

That freed us up to invest in infrastructure, education, and our economy. Now, we are the 2nd largest and fastest growing major economy in the world. Three straight decades of double-digit growth.

So today, we spend less as a percentage of GDP on defence than India does, yet our defence budget is 3-4 times larger than India's.
 
I do not trust the whole baloney of how India should build all its ability, we can only equip what ever we can afford, the knights had the armor because they could afford it, and the common soldier could not.

The Chinese have left us in dust with their economic growth and military growth, no kind of "zealot military" policy can bring any parity in this situation. The best thing is make peace with Chinese, no do not bring surrender as a term. Co-Operate and compromise or just buy time.
We have our patriotic leader Jawaharlal Nehru wanting to scrap military and invest in development projects. His reasons was Ahimsa is our policy. "Hindi-Cheeni bhai bhai" and Pakistan will not attack - beliefs!

"Shortly after Independence, General Lockhart as the Army chief took a strategic plan to the prime minister, asking for a Government directive on the defence policy. He came back to Jick’s office shell-shocked," a newspaper quotes the book as saying.

"When asked what happened, he replied, 'The PM took one look at my paper and blew his top. Rubbish! Total rubbish! We don’t need a defence plan. Our policy is ahimsa (non-violence). We foresee no military threats. Scrap the army! The police are good enough to meet our security needs’," the newspaper further quotes the book.

According to the book, Jick believed the Kashmir war saved the Indian Army.
Nehru wanted to scrap Army: Former General - India News - IBNLive
 
By Bharat Verma

Primary key to India’s emergence as a successful global power lies on the ability to acquire and imbibe superior defence technologies in the knowledge-based society of the 21st century.

It is strange that we expect our police and para-military forces to fight with lathis or outdated rifles, while the Maoists and the external actors who support them attack with the latest automatic weapons and are equipped with satellite phones.

Selection by India of the French Rafale is a wise step to finally begin the shift of air force from the ‘bullock cart’ technology to the ‘Mercedes Benz’ expertise! To secure the borders from the Chinese onslaught requires induction of massive dose of cutting edge defence technologies, which only the West can provide. Today there exists fortunately, a synergy of purpose between the Western democracies and India, which we need to intelligently leverage.

Pakistan desires to carve out three Pakistan’s out of the Union of India while China wants to unhook the entire Northeast.

In fact India’s geographical location is a major irritant to the Islamic fundamentalists as it disallows them to create an Islamic Emirate running from Central Asia to West and East Asia without discontinuity.

Couple this with the fact that India is entirely dependent on import of energy and multitude of other products through the seaborne trade. Therefore, as the second fastest rising economy in Asia, New Delhi will require a modern military with deep offensive capabilities to act as a formidable deterrence.

To successfully maintain the unity of India, as well as defend the growing strategic interests within the region and beyond, rapid modernization of the Armed Force is a necessity.

It is strange that we expect our police and para-military forces to fight with lathis or outdated rifles, while the Maoists and the external actors who support them attack with the latest automatic weapons and are equipped with satellite phones.

To successfully maintain the unity of India, as well as defend the growing strategic interests within the region and beyond, rapid modernization of the Armed Force is a necessity.

In short term, import of the latest weapon platforms is vital. In the long term, by acquiring the sunrise defence technologies and setting up profitable joint ventures with the western partners is the promising route. This will create a win-win situation — military can be equipped with modern weaponry, India can grow as a defence manufacturing hub, it will create millions of new jobs, impart skills in the hands of the young population, facilitate expansion of strategic footprint, and earn huge foreign exchange subsequently, through export of state-of-the-art weapon platforms.

In the 1980s, a useless debate by various vested interests was conveniently thrown up for allocation of funds between the defence of the country vis-à-vis the development. The argument given was since we are a poor country, we cannot afford to allocate sufficient funds for modernization of the armed forces. The debate hinged on a falsehood of ‘defence’ or ‘development’.
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Of course, rulers neither developed nor defended the nation!

As India finally shifts gears to acquire the western defence technologies once again, the old debate between defence of the country versus development to halt the modernization of the armed forces is being thrown up by various lobbies.

As India finally shifts gears to acquire the western defence technologies once again, the old debate between defence of the country versus development to halt the modernization of the armed forces is being thrown up...

In the last two years we have witnessed that actually there is no paucity of funds. The amount plundered in CWG or 2G scam is large enough to buy many modern weapon platforms which the defence services are in dire need. A house of IAS officer in Madhya Pradesh has coughed up Rs.300 crores worth of black money. In this country, they don’t steal a few thousands or few lacs any more, but rob merrily the government exchequer in crores. Rs.20 crores worth of black-money was recovered on raiding the lowest rung of the government hierarchy i.e. an ordinary peon’s house. The loot of the government treasury in the recent past, shows that this country is extraordinarily rich!

Therefore to argue that India does not have sufficient funds for either defence of the country or development is misleading. Both activities can move simultaneously without hindrance, provided we can put an end to the huge siphoning of the funds.

The gullible, overlook a simple fact that if the Union of India is not defended, there will be nothing left to develop. Therefore to equip the armed force with latest defence technologies and weapon platforms is as important as economic development and urbanization of India at the same time.

If we don't defend, then there is nothing left to develop!

as i always say, you cant expect peace And porsparity unless your bordres are well protected.
 
He is far far human and civil then that ****** son of a ***** Zaid Hamid.I wonder why not the word Zaid Hamid turns something like ***** ******.

calmdown sir,
why loose our temper over the coment of one teen age armchair general, his knowledge of no better than the knowledge of a frog ina pond,
 
Exactly. Since the founding of the PRC in 1949, we had two great enemies, the superpower USA and the superpower USSR. We fought head on against both of them, against the USA during the Korean war and against the USSR during the Sino-Soviet split.

It was unsustainable, a third-world country arrayed against the two superpowers of the world.

So we made peace with the USA in the 1970's, focusing on our common enemy the USSR (which later collapsed in 1991).

That freed us up to invest in infrastructure, education, and our economy. Now, we are the 2nd largest and fastest growing major economy in the world. Three straight decades of double-digit growth.

So today, we spend less as a percentage of GDP on defence than India does, yet our defence budget is 3-4 times larger than India's.

You also spent around 2-3% of your GDP on military..also your military runs its own industries and is very secretive about the exact amount of military expenditure. So the %GDP will be more than whats said publicly.
 
The difference is while India spends close to 3% of its GDP on defense , North Korea spends around 25% of its GDP on the same.

It's 1.5% not 3% .. current spending is about 40 billion dollars
 
Exactly. Since the founding of the PRC in 1949, we had two great enemies, the superpower USA and the superpower USSR. We fought head on against both of them, against the USA during the Korean war and against the USSR during the Sino-Soviet split.

It was unsustainable, a third-world country arrayed against the two superpowers of the world.

So we made peace with the USA in the 1970's, focusing on our common enemy the USSR (which later collapsed in 1991).

That freed us up to invest in infrastructure, education, and our economy. Now, we are the 2nd largest and fastest growing major economy in the world. Three straight decades of double-digit growth.

So today, we spend less as a percentage of GDP on defence than India does, yet our defence budget is 3-4 times larger than India's.

LOL biggest joke of the day, I am sure you fought both the superpowers "head on " the same way as many pakistanis claim here... :lol:

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Exactly. Since the founding of the PRC in 1949, we had two great enemies, the superpower USA and the superpower USSR. We fought head on against both of them, against the USA during the Korean war and against the USSR during the Sino-Soviet split.

It was unsustainable, a third-world country arrayed against the two superpowers of the world.

So we made peace with the USA in the 1970's, focusing on our common enemy the USSR (which later collapsed in 1991).

That freed us up to invest in infrastructure, education, and our economy. Now, we are the 2nd largest and fastest growing major economy in the world. Three straight decades of double-digit growth.

So today, we spend less as a percentage of GDP on defence than India does, yet our defence budget is 3-4 times larger than India's.

China's military expenditure is 2.5% of GDP, India's is 1.5%, your economy is 5 trilion, ours is 2 trillion... looks like selling defective products have really made you rich ??
 
We have reasonable muscle to flex even now if push comes to shove. Only problem is, our top part aka leadership is rotten. Once that is removed and replaced, even now we pack quite a punch. This decade would complete our transformation into a much more lethal military force.
 
Make peace with china is your best choice. We won't attack unless you shoot the first bullet. Don't be unnecessary anxiety.
 
Make peace with china is your best choice. We won't attack unless you shoot the first bullet. Don't be unnecessary anxiety.

Nobody is anxious, media goes on, on it's own, as it's not state controlled. We are doing similar things that China is doing on the other side, increasing number of troops, increasing weaponries etc. For some reason, it is creating this hooligan for no matter, so don't worry we won't attack either.
 
China's military expenditure is 2.5% of GDP, India's is 1.5%, your economy is 5 trilion, ours is 2 trillion... looks like selling defective products have really made you rich ??

That is the biggest pile of BS I have ever seen. :lol:

List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 United States - 687,105,000,000 - 4.7%
2 China - 114,300,000,000 - 2.2%
3 France - 61,285,000,000 - 2.5%
4 United Kingdom - 57,424,000,000 - 2.7%
5 Russia - 52,586,000,000 - 4.3%
6 Japan - 51,420,000,000 - 1.0%
7 Germany - 46,848,000,000 - 1.4%
8 Saudi Arabia - 42,917,000,000 - 11.2%
9 Italy - 38,198,000,000 - 1.8%
10 India - 34,816,000,000 - 2.8%
11 Brazil - 28,096,000,000 - 1.6%
12 South Korea - 24,270,000,000 - 2.9%

China spends 2.2% of GDP on defence, and has a defence budget of $114 billion a year.

India spends 2.8% of GDP on defence, and has a defence budget of $34 billion a year.

So we spend less as a percentage of GDP on defence than India does, yet our defence budget is 3-4 times larger. :rofl:
 
That is the biggest pile of BS I have ever seen. :lol:

List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 United States - 687,105,000,000 - 4.7%
2 China - 114,300,000,000 - 2.2%
3 France - 61,285,000,000 - 2.5%
4 United Kingdom - 57,424,000,000 - 2.7%
5 Russia - 52,586,000,000 - 4.3%
6 Japan - 51,420,000,000 - 1.0%
7 Germany - 46,848,000,000 - 1.4%
8 Saudi Arabia - 42,917,000,000 - 11.2%
9 Italy - 38,198,000,000 - 1.8%
10 India - 34,816,000,000 - 2.8%
11 Brazil - 28,096,000,000 - 1.6%
12 South Korea - 24,270,000,000 - 2.9%

China spends 2.2% of GDP on defence, and has a defence budget of $114 billion a year.

India spends 2.8% of GDP on defence, and has a defence budget of $34 billion a year.

So we spend less as a percentage of GDP on defence than India does, yet our defence budget is 3-4 times larger. :rofl:

Dude the defence budget of India for 2011-2012 is only 1.8% of gdp. Wiki is not updated...
 
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