If Pakistan had captured Kashmir......

[untitled]

I can't help but wondering. How would the political situation in the subcontinent been any different had Pakistan successfully captured Kashmir say in 1948, 1962 or even 1965?

If Kashmir had become a part of Pakistan would East Pakistan still have broken away from us? Even if not in 1971 or then still somewhere in the future?

How would have a defeated Kashmir-less India maintained its relationship with Pakistan? Would it have made peace with Pakistan? Would it have sought revenge? Would it have still maintained a hostile posture towards Pakistan? Would it still have pursued nuclear weapons? Would Pakistan have followed suit?

How would this changed geo-political scenario have had an affect on Pakistan's involvement in the so-called Afghan jihad? Would Pakistan still have been fighting the war on terror on its soil?

Some stuff I keep pondering every now and then.
Your views please

 

[M.SAAD]

Bangladesh separating from Pakistan had nothing to do with Kashmir nor did the Afghan Jihad ..


Only thing which would have been different is the wars of 65 and Kargil wouldn't have been fought (considering Pak utilized its best ever chance i.e in 1962) and hostilities b/w the two countries would have been far less .. and there would have been relative calm in the Kashmir valley.


But other things would still have been same, we still needed to clean up the mess in FATA and Balochistan and fight against other terrorist groups ..

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan had almost captured Kashmir..............but........

 

[untitled]

Bangladesh separating from Pakistan had nothing to do with Kashmir

But would not have Pakistan capturing Kashmir given a new lifeline to Pakistani nationalism all over the country. That would still have atleast delayed Bangladesh's demand for separation.

 

[911]

Capture Kashmir in your dreams but just for sake of alternative scenarioakistan then would had tried to capture parts of Afghanistan next. No one can clearly day about relation between India and Pakistan after that. I guess normal relations if Pakistan had got full Kashmir in 1948. In 1962, 1965, or later India would never had settled for it.

 

[A_Poster]

Capture Kashmir in your dreams but just for sake of alternative scenarioakistan then would had tried to capture parts of Afghanistan next. No one can clearly day about relation between India and Pakistan after that. I guess normal relations if Pakistan had got full Kashmir in 1948. In 1962, 1965, or later India would never had settled for it.

If Pakistan had captured Kashmir in 1948, China and India would be BFFs ,probably bound together in a NATO like alliance, and it would have been Pakistan which would be fighting Chinese.

At any other point after 1951, India would not stand down until it recapture Kashmir so this scenario is moot.

Bangladesh would still be created in all alternate scenarios.

 

[HIT AND RUN]

Pakistan had the best chance to capture IOK in 1962, but.......... we should not worry about the past, the things are more fruitful in the present as the IOK is coming own his own into our hands, first Archunal Pardesh which our brother China claims, second IOK which is integral part of Pakistan so would be part of us

P.S: Khalistan and Naxals GorkhaLand alternatives should also be created and are there produced already to counter indians who talk about terrorist modi and mukhti bhanai act 1971.

 

[911]

If Pakistan had captured Kashmir in 1948, China and India would be BFFs ,probably bound together in a NATO like alliance, and it would have been Pakistan which would be fighting Chinese.

Not sure about China being India's BFF but China definately would had fought war with Pakistan for Askai Chin and 1948 victorious Pakistan would had never gifted away the land as we saw in the real scenario where defeated Pakistan for joining hands with China against India, did.

 

[Kal Muah]

Pakistan had the best chance to capture IOK in 1962, but.......... we should not worry about the past, the things are more fruitful in the present as the IOK is coming own his own into our hands, first Archunal Pardesh which our brother China claims, second IOK which is integral part of Pakistan so would be part of us

Just hope that your country doesn't face drought.

 

[cloud4000]

I can't help but wondering. How would the political situation in the subcontinent been any different had Pakistan successfully captured Kashmir say in 1948, 1962 or even 1965?

Things would be more peaceful. Perhaps there would be normalization of relations. More tourism, business, and cultural exchanges. I remember my father telling me that India and Pakistan actually had reasonably good relations prior to 1965 war.

If Kashmir had become a part of Pakistan would East Pakistan still have broken away from us? Even if not in 1971 or then still somewhere in the future?

East Pakistan is a whole separate issue which had nothing to do with Kashmir. India only got involved because Pakistan lost the hearts and minds of Bengalis after years of maltreatment.

How would have a defeated Kashmir-less India maintained its relationship with Pakistan? Would it have made peace with Pakistan? Would it have sought revenge? Would it have still maintained a hostile posture towards Pakistan?

Pakistan accepted Bangladesh. India would also accept Kashmir going to Pakistan. It was headed there anyway.

Would it still have pursued nuclear weapons? Would Pakistan have followed suit?

India pursued nuclear weapons because China had nuclear weapons, and Pakistan pursued nuclear weapons because India was pursuing them.

How would this changed geo-political scenario have had an affect on Pakistan's involvement in the so-called Afghan jihad? Would Pakistan still have been fighting the war on terror on its soil?

Like East Pakistan, Afghanistan had nothing do with Kashmir. Pakistan only pursued it because of the Cold War, egged on by US.

 

[HIT AND RUN]

Just hope that your country doesn't face drought.

Drought would not be occurring, Indians know it's consequences just all talks and no acts always just like your pumping and thumping media talking to joy its poor people for 5 minutes, and then the joy and matter hide and folds behind the carpet.

 

[RazaGujjar]

Capture Kashmir in your dreams but just for sake of alternative scenarioakistan then would had tried to capture parts of Afghanistan next. No one can clearly day about relation between India and Pakistan after that. I guess normal relations if Pakistan had got full Kashmir in 1948. In 1962, 1965, or later India would never had settled for it.

Pakistan doesn't need to capture Kashmir..we have already obtained Kashmiris hearts, evident by the their waving of Pakistans flag and Pro-Pakistan chants. IOK will seperate from India from within. Be it today or 10 years from now.

 

[Mustang06]

Pakistan had the best chance to capture IOK in 1962, but.......... we should not worry about the past, the things are more fruitful in the present as the IOK is coming own his own into our hands, first Archunal Pardesh which our brother China claims, second IOK which is integral part of Pakistan so would be part of us

P.S: Khalistan and Naxals GorkhaLand alternatives should also be created and are there produced already to counter indians who talk about terrorist modi and mukhti bhanai act 1971.

Mate you forgot about Tamils, Dalits and NE!

 

[A_Poster]

N ramot sure about China being India's BFF but China definately would had fought war with Pakistan for Askai Chin and 1948 victorious Pakistan would had never gifted away the land as we saw in the real scenario where defeated Pakistan for joining hands with China against India, did.

The basic reason for Indo-China was Chinese need to secure highway219 which passes through Askai Chin which was claimed by India. If Pakistan had Kashmir, and by extension Askai Chin, it would have been Pakistan which would have fought war with China.

India-China were BFFs before relations started deteriorating in 1959. If casus-belli of Indo-China war would have been eradicated, relations between India and China would never have deteriorated. This would have major ramifications on global power structure. USA is a superpower because it has two oceans which guard it from invasion and two friendly neighbors. In case of friendly relation with India, China partly gains same advantage as USA and it could concentrate on Navy rather than Army. It also gains a reliable ,secure, and cheap outlet to Indian ocean.

This without any alliance. A 1962 less Indo-China relation also have high probability of India and China eventually forming a NATO like alliance. A Sino-Indo-Russo alliance ,if it could happen, has ability to shut west/USA out of continents of Asia and Africa, even today.

Though all this is alternate ,but probable, history.

Pakistan had the best chance to capture IOK in 1962, but.......... we should not worry about the past, the things are more fruitful in the present as the IOK is coming own his own into our hands, first Archunal Pardesh which our brother China claims, second IOK which is integral part of Pakistan so would be part of us

P.S: Khalistan and Naxals GorkhaLand alternatives should also be created and are there produced already to counter indians who talk about terrorist modi and mukhti bhanai act 1971.

With all due respect, Hindus are more loyal to each other than Muslims are to each other anywere. There is not even a single Hindu majority state or group that wants to separate from India. Naxals want to bring maoist/communist revolution to whole of India, and Gorkhas want their own state within union of India as they are sick of Mamata Banarjee type politicians.

In comparison to this, you people are always fighting amongst yourself to prove who is better Muslim. Is it Shia, Sunni, Ahemadi, Deobadi, Hanafi, Hanbali, or Barelvi?

 

[TechMan]

The only way to get Kashmir now is to defeat India in a conventional which is very hard. Because India has no first use policy so we can leverage this fact by employing three prong approach which India did in 1971 i.e. Pakistan Army fighting Indian Army while freedom fighters from around the world fighting in Kashmir (although I don't see it happening because ironically all matters are Muslim matters like Syria, Palestine, Afghanistan etc. but when it comes to Kashmir every one treat it as regional matter especially Arabs)

And the biggest weapon against India will be Indian Muslims if they somehow rally behind.

Is defeating India very hard in a conventional war? Yes
Impossible? No