IAF's Avro replacement: Decision likely soon

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The Defence Ministry is likely to soon take a decision on the joint bid of Tata and Airbus to replace Indian Air Force's ageing fleet of 56 Avro aircraft with C-295 military transport carriers.

Defence Ministry sources said the next meetings of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) will deliberate on the bid worth multi crore rupees. Though the meeting was scheduled to be held on February 9, it has been delayed by a few more days.

In May 2013, the Ministry had issued a global tender -- called a Request For Proposals (RFP) -- to original equipment manufacturers including US firms Boeing and Lockheed Martin, European multinational Airbus Defence and Space, and Antonov of Ukraine among others.

They were required to tie-up with an Indian private company under which 40 aircraft will be produced here while 16 will be bought off-the-shelf.

However, only a single bidder - Airbus Defence and Space and Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL) consortium - had bid for the proposal in October last year.

Under the current defence procurement policy, single vendor situation is not entertained unless cleared by the DAC.

A decision to this effect was expected to be taken by the Ministry in November last but was delayed as Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had sought more information.

The defence sources said a decision could be taken soon. One of the options, besides selecting the consortium, is to go in for re-tendering in which the Indian companies become the main player rather than the foreign ones.

Another option is putting the project on hold and go ahead with the joint development and production of 'Multi-role Transport Aircraft' with Russia, defence analysts said.


IAF's Avro replacement: Decision likely soon | Business Standard News

 

[kaykay]

Didn't MOD cancelled it yesterday and planning to go with more numbers of MTA with Russia?

 

[Agent_47]

Didn't MOD cancelled it yesterday and planning to go with more numbers of MTA with Russia?

That source was russian , probably false.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@sancho @Water Car Engineer @sandy_3126 @Echo_419 the saga continues...

 

[ni8mare]

@sancho @Water Car Engineer @sandy_3126 @Echo_419 the saga continues...

Earlier news is from russian sources so not reliable

 

[Abingdonboy]

Earlier news is from russian sources so not reliable

I agree, good to know all hope is not lost though. As far as an Avro replacement goes the C-295 is not ideal but it's FAR more attractive than the MTA and the industrial benefits it will bring as far as TATA getting into the game are huge so fingers crossed......

 

[ni8mare]

I agree, good to know all hope is not lost though. As far as an Avro replacement goes the C-295 is not ideal but it's FAR more attractive than the MTA and the industrial benefits it will bring as far as TATA getting into the game are huge so fingers crossed......

why so? in which context?

 

[Abingdonboy]

why so? in which context?

Consider this bro, the Avro is at the very bottom of the IAF's transport airlift fleet and their purpose is mostly to transport personnel around. The C-295 with a rear cargo door is, it could be argued, excessive itself for this role but the MTA that is considerably larger than the C-295 let alone the Avros and has turbofan engines is just overkill for the Avro replacement.

You really don't need aircraft as capable (and expensive to fly) as the MTA being under utilised as air taxis (which is basically all the Avros do). The MTA is designed to haul military equipment to high altitudes, to paradrop combat troops and the Avros NEVER do any of these tasks.

 

[Hindustani78]

Decision likely soon on IAF's Avro replacement - The Times of India
PTI | Feb 8, 2015, 12.53 PM IST

NEW DELHI: The defence ministry is likely to soon take a decision on the joint bid of Tata and Airbus to replace Indian Air Force's ageing fleet of 56 Avro aircraft with C-295 military transport carriers.

Defence ministry sources said the next meetings of the defence acquisition council (DAC) will deliberate on the bid worth multi crore rupees. Though the meeting was scheduled to be held on February 9, it has been delayed by a few more days.

In May 2013, the Ministry had issued a global tender -- called a Request For Proposals (RFP) -- to original equipment manufacturers including US firms Boeing and Lockheed Martin, European multinational Airbus Defence and Space, and Antonov of Ukraine among others.

They were required to tie-up with an Indian private company under which 40 aircraft will be produced here while 16 will be bought off-the-shelf.

However, only a single bidder — Airbus Defence and Space and Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL) consortium — had bid for the proposal in October last year.

Under the current defence procurement policy, single vendor situation is not entertained unless cleared by the DAC.

A decision to this effect was expected to be taken by the Ministry in November last but was delayed as defence minister Manohar Parrikar had sought more information.

The defence sources said a decision could be taken soon. One of the options, besides selecting the consortium, is to go in for re-tendering in which the Indian companies become the main player rather than the foreign ones.

Another option is putting the project on hold and go ahead with the joint development and production of 'Multi-role Transport Aircraft' with Russia, defence analysts said.

 

[Echo_419]

I agree, good to know all hope is not lost though. As far as an Avro replacement goes the C-295 is not ideal but it's FAR more attractive than the MTA and the industrial benefits it will bring as far as TATA getting into the game are huge so fingers crossed......

Agreed,let's hope they choose the TATA proposal & don't waste time & Money by re-tendering the whole thing again

Consider this bro, the Avro is at the very bottom of the IAF's transport airlift fleet and their purpose is mostly to transport personnel around. The C-295 with a rear cargo door is, it could be argued, excessive itself for this role but the MTA that is considerably larger than the C-295 let alone the Avros and has turbofan engines is just overkill for the Avro replacement.

You really don't need aircraft as capable (and expensive to fly) as the MTA being under utilised as air taxis (which is basically all the Avros do). The MTA is designed to haul military equipment to high altitudes, to paradrop combat troops and the Avros NEVER do any of these tasks.

so you are saying not selecting the MTA will also result in significant cost savings

 

[Abingdonboy]

so you are saying not selecting the MTA will also result in significant cost savings

Purely in this regard (replacing the Avros). As a replacement to the An-132 the MTA is a suitable replacement but as a replacement to the Avros the MTA is needlessly capable. It would be like procuring a huge MACK truck to transport children to school. The truck would be both expensive to procure, maintain and would be used well below its true potential for its entire life span.

 

[MilSpec]

I agree, good to know all hope is not lost though. As far as an Avro replacement goes the C-295 is not ideal but it's FAR more attractive than the MTA and the industrial benefits it will bring as far as TATA getting into the game are huge so fingers crossed......

At the end of the day HAL-RAC IL 214 is Jet powered engine, and C295 a prop powered engine. If private player is the only issue here, i see no problem is selecting HAL MRTA as the platform and then later replacing HAL with one of the Indian players later. Asfar as the platforms are concerned HAL MRTA seems to be more potent than the c295.

Purely in this regard (replacing the Avros). As a replacement to the An-132 the MTA is a suitable replacement but as a replacement to the Avros the MTA is needlessly capable. It would be like procuring a huge MACK truck to transport children to school. The truck would be both expensive to procure, maintain and would be used well below its true potential for its entire life span.

It's no just about replacement, but the evolution of requirements of the forces, yes indeed C295 or IL214 will be a step up from the avros, but imagine the amount of flexibility and additional capabilities it will bring to the forces. Much like transitioning from a hawker Hunter squadron to a Mki squadron

 

[Hindustani78]

Avro replacement: Committee set up by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar submits report, final decision soon - The Economic Times
By PTI | 22 Mar, 2015, 01.43PM IST

NEW DELHI: The Committee set up by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar to look into the lone bid of Airbus-TATA consortium to replace IAF's ageing fleet of 56 Avro aircraft has submitted its report and a final decision is likely soon.

"The Committee has submitted its report. We will study it and then a decision will be taken," defence sources said refusing to elaborate on the findings by the Committee.

The nearly $2.5 billion deal is likely to be discussed in the upcoming meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council.

While the DAC is likely to be held on March 28, sources said it could also be held in April given the tight schedule of the Minister who is slated to visit Japan on March 30-31.

A final decision was anticipated in November but Parrikar had sought more information about the necessity of the aircraft and the bidding process.

Accordingly, a special committee is looking into the details and procedures of the bid since only one consortium responded to the Request for Proposal (RFP).

"There is no problem. All issues are being looked into since we have a single vendor situation," sources said.

Under the current defence procurement policy, single- vendor situation is not entertained unless cleared by the DAC.

One of the options, besides selecting the consortium, is to go in for re-tendering in which the Indian companies become the main player rather than the foreign ones.

Another option is putting the project on hold and go ahead with the joint development and production of 'Multi-role Transport Aircraft' with Russia, defence analysts said.

In May 2013, the Ministry had issued RFP to original equipment manufacturers including US firms Boeing and Lockheed Martin, European multinational Airbus Defence and Space, and Antonov of Ukraine among others.

They were required to tie-up with an Indian private company under which 40 aircraft will be produced here while 16 will be bought off-the-shelf.

However, only a single bidder -- Airbus Defence and Space and Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL) consortium -- had bid for the proposal in October last year.

They plan to replace Avro with C-295 transport carriers. The Indian Air Force is keen to replace the fleet as it feels that the vintage Avro does not serve the purpose in the modern era.

IAF wants a replacement cargo aircraft with "back ram" and ability to land in "under-prepared ground" like in Daulat Beg Oldie airstrip in Ladakh.

 

[Alphacharlie]

You Jokers who are Crazy for one More A/c....

Parikar should cancel this deal, we already have 5 Tpt A/c dont need 6th........Do you want a Fish Market with one more Service Centre!!

Order more C130 or An32 or Dornnier

 

[Hindustani78]

IAF will be buy 1 C 130 which was crashed C 130 and the 6 more we will get by 2016.

The IAF had initially acquired six C-130Js, and over three-and-a-half years of operations so far, the aircraft have played a highly significant role in disaster relief, setting global standards. Acknowledging this, the air chief said that six more C-130Js were to arrive by 2016 and would be deployed in eastern India.

A few years ago, Lockheed Martin had mooted a proposal to shift its manufacturing plant to India if the IAF and civil authorities would commit purchase of a minimum of 40 aircraft, saying it could be deployed economically in India's tough northeastern and mountainous region on short, unpaved airfields by civil airlines.


Over 100 An-32s are there in IAF and these are used for various military and humanitarian missions by the Armed Forces.

Last month, HAL bagged a major Defence contract for supplying 14 Do-228 aircraft to the Indian Air Force. HAL has so far produced 125 Do 228 and 89 HS 748. They are in service with Indian defence forces and others.