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IAF strikes Balakot. Wins and Wins

ISPR guy says Indians should have waited for 21 minute was he going to snap attack Indian Mirages with his Iphone he was charging ?
why Indian jets should wait


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please stay with me

IAF was given a task to do a symbolic strike deep inside Pakistan and it succeeded
dont hate me for saying this but its acceptable outcome for both

Indians can claim revenge. Modi can claim election victory
and Pakistanis can claim that nothing was targeted and Indians fled and all

but the fact is.. they managed to go deep inside Pakistan and escaped without trouble
and there is no other way to look at it so credit IAF

here are two sides of me as Indian and Pakistani


as a Pakistani
75% of me wants to believe the claim that incursion didnt achieve its goal and the IAF jets had to revert back once they saw the incoming intercept.
25% of me thinks. No, they achieved their mission because the mission as to make a mark inside Pakistan and leave unopposed. irrespective of bombs/ fuelpods falling on target or on the fields.

as an Indian
75% of me wants to believe
that IAF claim is correct. they really killed over 300 terrorists. IAF is awesome and India has achieved air superiority and set the precedence for future air domination in the sub continent (yes including against China too)
25% of me still wonders what if Pakistanis are correct. the incursion was just symbolic for Modi's election sake and Indian public morale and IAF just retreated as planned on the first sign of PAF jets




Now over to you guys please discussion

without insulting each other

remember all of you are normal, peace loving people with parents and kids and friends.. none of you or other you argue with are involved in any atrocity inside India or Pakistan. so keeping that in mind.

debate and fire away your opinions
Common sense should prevail dropping bombs and running like cowards is in indian blood

India wil see more open help for Kashmiris in kashmir from pak and wait for another kargill
 
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But i think the time for retilation is gone..modi will win elections Hindus will dance for now and than peace can be talked..though what will happen with further terrorist attacks..

Last surgical strike was joke, india simply couldn't go along with it..
So they did non military non civilian strike causing 100s of trees and innocent mosquitoes to die
 
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ISPR guy says Indians should have waited for 21 minute was he going to snap attack Indian Mirages with his Iphone he was charging ?
why Indian jets should wait


View attachment 542129View attachment 542129

please stay with me

IAF was given a task to do a symbolic strike deep inside Pakistan and it succeeded
dont hate me for saying this but its acceptable outcome for both

Indians can claim revenge. Modi can claim election victory
and Pakistanis can claim that nothing was targeted and Indians fled and all

but the fact is.. they managed to go deep inside Pakistan and escaped without trouble
and there is no other way to look at it so credit IAF

here are two sides of me as Indian and Pakistani


as a Pakistani
75% of me wants to believe the claim that incursion didnt achieve its goal and the IAF jets had to revert back once they saw the incoming intercept.
25% of me thinks. No, they achieved their mission because the mission as to make a mark inside Pakistan and leave unopposed. irrespective of bombs/ fuelpods falling on target or on the fields.

as an Indian
75% of me wants to believe
that IAF claim is correct. they really killed over 300 terrorists. IAF is awesome and India has achieved air superiority and set the precedence for future air domination in the sub continent (yes including against China too)
25% of me still wonders what if Pakistanis are correct. the incursion was just symbolic for Modi's election sake and Indian public morale and IAF just retreated as planned on the first sign of PAF jets




Now over to you guys please discussion

without insulting each other

remember all of you are normal, peace loving people with parents and kids and friends.. none of you or other you argue with are involved in any atrocity inside India or Pakistan. so keeping that in mind.

debate and fire away your opinions

Hi,

NPR is a national public radio in the the US---this morning news discusses both the scenarios---for them the success or no success of attack was not the issue---the issue was---intentionally crossing LOC was an " ACT OF WAR "---plain and simple---.

Pakistani boys and men can whimper---bi-tch and moan all they want---.

The strike being successful or not---a threat of war was declared before the strike---and the strike was carried on---.

I do not have any doubts that the Paf would retaliate---.

But guess what---it has given Iran ideas to strike pakistan as well.
 
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valid question brother
there are layered defenses and early warnings. not sure why they chose not to intercept them inside. had the debis fallen inside Pakistan it would have been a justified kill
isn't it the same Gen Gafoor and Bajwa who said that national security is breached by Dawan leaks and then said "issue is settled"So wait soon they will again say issue is settled,
 
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Hi,

NPR is a national public radio in the the US---this morning news discusses both the scenarios---for them the success or no success of attack was not the issue---the issue was---intentionally crossing LOC was an " ACT OF WAR "---plain and simple---.

Pakistani boys and men can whimper---bi-tch and moan all they want---.

The strike being successful or not---a threat of war was declared before the strike---and the strike was carried on---.

I do not have any doubts that the Paf would retaliate---.

But guess what---it has given Iran ideas to strike pakistan as well.
That's what worries me. The Iran part in the equation.
 
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Hi,

NPR is a national public radio in the the US---this morning news discusses both the scenarios---for them the success or no success of attack was not the issue---the issue was---intentionally crossing LOC was an " ACT OF WAR "---plain and simple---.
absolutely spot on
you speak my mind

this was the mission.
Pakistani boys and men can whimper---bi-tch and moan all they want---.

The strike being successful or not---a threat of war was declared before the strike---and the strike was carried on---.
in my mind the entire mission was to cross deep into Pakistan up to the point of possible interception. then drop the extra weight and return back with a triamph

credit to the IAF pilot(s) with the balls of a mallon. he / they did what they were told
I do not have any doubts that the Paf would retaliate---.

maybe they will but in my opinion the time is/ has running/ ran out
But guess what---it has given Iran ideas to strike pakistan as well.
interesting

Now this one... please save it for later we will discuss this later maybe another thread. lets get our self a drink or a snack next to the table and then talk about it in detail
 
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Hi,

NPR is a national public radio in the the US---this morning news discusses both the scenarios---for them the success or no success of attack was not the issue---the issue was---intentionally crossing LOC was an " ACT OF WAR "---plain and simple---.

Pakistani boys and men can whimper---bi-tch and moan all they want---.

The strike being successful or not---a threat of war was declared before the strike---and the strike was carried on---.

I do not have any doubts that the Paf would retaliate---.

But guess what---it has given Iran ideas to strike pakistan as well.

Rajiv Tyagi - Retired IAF Fighter Pilot
23 mins ·
This morning as I woke up at 5AM in Gurugram, I was informed of an IAF strike on Balakot, in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunwa area, approximately 200 km North West of India's nearest Air Force station at Avantipur, South East of Srinagar. A few phone calls later, I learned it was a pre-dawn attack at 0330 hrs, which delieverd 1,000 kg bombs to a designated target area. Since then, I have been holding my horses, waiting for and actually watching a whole nation descend into hysterical paroxysms of joy and celebration, as if we have removed Pakistan from existence!

Hopefully the paroxysms are over by now. The hysterics will take a little more time to calm down. But it is now time, to analyze this action in the light of cold, sober logic after 16 hours of pointless celebration.

I have written here -->[ https://www.heraldgoa.in/…/Of-limited-wars-prec…/142856.html ] about the futility of attacking 'terror camps', as they do not yield any strategic enemy assets. But in this case as in many before, the Govt of India has asked the Armed forces to act on its behalf and the Armed Forces have delivered, only to once again be used for the personal glorification of Narendra Modi.

Also once again, we have used conventional forces to strike at extremely low-value tactical targets of an adversary that uses asymmetric warfare against us. In hindsight we can see once again, the Govt has used the Armed Forces in an ill-advised action, purely for propaganda purposes, without achieving any strategic or tactical goal, except maybe the minimally valid goal of delivering a military message to a recalcitrant adversary.

To understand what our Govt has asked the Air Force to do, it is important to first understand the technology used by fighter aircraft to acquire and destroy targets and how weapons are chosen... To carry a particular weapon load, first the nature of the target needs to be known - is it a soft skin target, like trucks and jeeps? In which case 30 mm front guns or rockets can be used, even rockets being overkill, 30 mm armour piercing incendiary (API) cannon rounds being sufficient to completely destroy soft skinned targets. If armour is known to be present in the target area, 58 mm API rockets, released in a barrage of 8, 16 or 32 rockets per barrage, would be the choice, depending on the nature of the armour. If the target is an area, not point-targets like soft skinned vehicles or buildings but troop concentrations or buildings over a large area, bombs would be the choice.

There is also the choice of guided weapons, which may either be guided by reflected modulated laser or guided by an image processing or radio guidance system, depending on whether we are targetting a designated or target of opportunity or a radio transmitter like a wireless or a radar station.

The choice of weapon is also guided by the cost of the asset versus the target. For example, one can ill afford to target a tin shed or a tent, with TV-guided munitions. But then, neither should we be targeting a tin shed with a fighter aircraft, unless the tin shed is known to house a tactical or strategic target of sufficient importance to use such platforms or munitions. Cost here, is not just the acquisition cost, but a matrix of the replacement cost and the cost of availability when you actually need such munitions for their specific features.

For a pilot to deliver munitions to a ground target:
1. The target has to be visually acquired, the weaponry selected, if it is being carried, and the pilot then delivers them to the target.
2. If the pilot cannot visually acquire the target, like in darkness,, poor visibility or other reasons, the target can be illuminated with a modulated laser illuminator wielded by a scout or other friendly forward human asset. The weapon delivery system in the aircraft then automatically guides the guided weapon to the laser illuminated target. This too however, can be victim to poor visibility, fog being capable of scattering the laser beam, rendering the weapon system ineffective.
3. The weapon load is delivered at pre-decided coordinate(s), hoping to create maximum damage in the area.

The Balakot Mirage-2000 raid delivered 1,000 kg bombs, obviously at pre-decided coordinate(s). It is clear that we did not have a point target in mind. We wanted to deliver area munitions in the general area of a pre-decided coordinate - a perfectly valid decision, if we are to deliver a military warning to a recalcitrant adversary. But where did TV channels get the number of casualties from, or that a terrorist camp had been destroyed? Even the IAF would not have been able to acquire that information after a raid at 0330 hrs. Obviously, agents of the GoI are feeding this fake info to TV channels and the print medium.

We know the Jaish-e-Mohammed strategic assets are in Bahawalpur and we would only find low-value tactical targets in Balakot. But we also know that Balakot is undefended by the PAF, the nearest airfield being the civilian airfield of Muzaffarabad, about 25km South of Balakot, which serves the military station at Abbottabad. The nearest PAF airfield, to my mind, would be Islamabad, about 100 km South of Balakot – an F16, from the time it was scrambled, would take about 10-11 minutes to reach, by which time all action would have been over. We have to surmise this attack was ordered purely for publicity, because I think it would have been extremely embarrassing if we lost a Mirage 2000 or two in attacking Bahawalpur, with three PAF stations in the vicinity. Indian TV channels have been baying for blood and revenge since Feb 14 and given the raised temperatures, the PAF would already be on standby to mount combat air patrol or interception at very short notice. After all, we wanted the publicity of having mounted a response to Pulwama, without the consequences of war or the embarrassment of losing assets.

More than any other discussion, we need to ask, why did the Govt of India once again, use a military operation for publicity? Consider the consequences now - we have violated an international border to deliver munitions at a target inside Pakistan and instead of keeping it a secret, we have publicized it so much, with every minion of the Govt saying something or the other on the subject, that we have denied ourselves all plausible deniability! Pakistan will now go to the UN and say India attacked it without provocation. And we cannot even deny the attack! Stupid! We are now aggressors, instead of defenders. In contrast, Pakistan used asymmetric assets against us in Pulwama, without losing plausible deniability.

In a different dimension, we have frittered away the traditional Russian UNSC veto, which has been exercised in our favour innumerable times in the past, have invited the Chinese veto against us and not at all gained the US veto to our side. The US geopolitical interest still lies in Pakistan, not in India, because Af-Pak is still a US geopolitical engagement, with a Shia nuclear-capable Iran to the West of this region and Pakistan closely allied to another US geopolitical interest, Saudi Arabia.

So now if the UNSC resolves any action against India, which UNSC veto-power will we turn to, to exercise its veto in our favour, to preclude such action?

I don't know what has happened to our populace. We have become a very stupid and a very hysterical nation, almost akin to caricatures out of a cartoon movie. And we vote for politicians exactly like us.
 
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Indias perspective: We have targets inside Pakistan and for that we did surgical strikes.
- They tried whether got scrambled or what but they DID (intrude into Pakistan airspace) confirmed by the director general of Pakistan Armed Force

Pakistan's perspective: No perspective
- We technically don't have any target inside India. What option PAF or PA have inside India right now for retaliation?? Big NO "ZERO" option. Pakistan Air force and Air Defense badly FUCKED UP (accept it or not).

Stop calling it "LOC Violation". It is NOT breah, Bombs are dropped in KPK - Kyber Pakhtoon Khua - Pakistan (Confirmed by the DG ISPR of Pakistan Armed Forces).

They SUCCESSFULLY intrude into Pakistan Airspace whether they got scrambled or what nobody care about that shit, they drop bombs and buzzout. In short fuckedup entire AD and AF. Is this the level or preparedness? What option PAF or PA have now? it shows how incompetent PAF heads are. Did they ever think about this kind of situation if IAF intrudes are you going to chase and shoot down or wait for sometime? you don't even chase just because of fear of escalation and now are you going deep into their territory to target their airbases and invite a full-scale war? what target you have in India now?

PAF and PA chief both MUST RESIGN! This is the height of incompetence. You're watching from the eye of Pakistan, watch this entire event from the global eye. You failed to shoot down enemy aircraft. They're THREATENING you from past 7 days continuously. I am also patriotic like many but let's be fair. I must admit that our ARMED FORCES badly FUCKEDUP by IAF! its a win situation for IAF and Indian Govt. now whether you call it a violation, intrusion or scrambled, THEY DID THAT! They've achieved what they planned.

Pakistan LOST (0) India WIN (1)
and this result will MARK in the history until you shootdown like 99/migs


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Indian jets entered inside our airspace and went unharmed. Let see if we can do same even they have SAMS installed near border.
 
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I may be wrong on this one, as I'm a newbie, but it looks like india wants to pressurize us to release nawaz from jail and gain political victory before the elections. Surely they can't attack us intentionally with the purpose of starting war as russia, turkey and china stand with us as of this time
 
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I may be wrong on this one, as I'm a newbie, but it looks like india wants to pressurize us to release nawaz from jail and gain political victory before the elections. Surely they can't attack us intentionally with the purpose of starting war as russia, turkey and china stand with us as of this time
Nobody is with nobody.
 
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