IAF reject tejas...Again..

[New World]

Meh.
In the past three years IAF raised before MoD, HAL's non compliance 3 times but unlike previous years when they were accepted; this three times IAF's objections were overidden by MoD.
So the same will happen again. MoD will no longer accept IAF's demands regarding LCA


HAL made it clear in the reply itself range is as per RFP requirements

it means that IAF is interested in firangi things.. trips to west..

 

[hussain0216]

The IAF is desperately trying to make excuses to reject this lemon

But they just wont listen

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Who is the dad baby ...!! ??
of course its JF-17 pride of nation

 

[#hydra#]

Then IAF should go to ADE not HAL

ADA is responsible for the design flaws, and HAL is responsible for nor delivering the product on time. Insteadof wasting resou, tgey shou concentrate mk2 or amca

 

[AbuzarIlyas]

Every govenrment department wants to put their failure on someone else. IAF will never accept Tejas with its shortcomings. It is a political tug of war between IAF and HAL now.

Currently, HAL is responsible if an inquiry starts regarding this failure to compete the required specifications and deadline, but if IAF once accept the aircraft, they will be a partner in the failure so, IAF leadership is playing smart by delaying tactics because they know that they will receive 36 Rafales and can order more with many other aircraft in evaluation and negotiation process.

 

[thesolar65]

Well, IAF will have to be content over Indian product and accept gradual upgrading, after the brouhaha over Rafale. Now whichever govt comes and buy whichever fighter, there will be a alleged scam. So no point in complaining. They have to deal with it.

Actually Rafale is proving a boon in disguise.

 

[ziaulislam]

Solution is gripen + rafales..LCA isnt going to less cheaper than gripen anyway

gripen is going to be just ~5m expensive than LCA

 

[Rafi]

IMHO the teja will not serve in the IAF beyond token numbers..

From all the analysis done by AI, the IAF hate the thing, and are being forced at the point of a gun (virtually) to have a couple of dozen tech demonstration planes.

That will never serve on the front line, the IAF will keep dragging it's feet, and changing the goalposts till its eventual cancellation.

 

[randomradio]

You cant change the range now...seems this debacle is not going to end soon

The range is fine. It's just bureaucratic differences. The IAF needs latest figures.

Can MoD force the program on IAF? How would it play out in the future then?

No, that can't be done.

Most probably the production line of Tejas will go to either L&T or Tata SED....... HAL is going to lose even more

No, HAL will run the entire LCA production program. But 70% of the LCA will be made by private companies and other PSUs.

Then IAF should go to ADE not HAL

ADE doesn't manufacture. It's a lab.

They said that in 1983 I think

2015.

I don't think iherint aerodynamic and structural lroblems will be solved in mk1a, avionics can be corrected. Its high time to dump this white elephant infavour of capable fighter available in market. Our squadron strength is falling and paf & plaaf gaining in numbers and quali.

You need to look at its role and also the inventory of the enemy.

Priductin issues is with hal, iaf rejected because of aerodynamic problems.

There are no production issues. IAF has not rejected the aircraft, they have rejected HAL's cost management and delivery schedule.

Solution is gripen + rafales..LCA isnt going to less cheaper than gripen anyway

That's a totally different requirement.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

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Do pakistanis have nothing better to do?

Tejas has been inducted into the IAF since 2016 and more Tejas are only getting inducted every year.
These are just growing pains that get resolved as you keep inducting more Tejas.

Where in the article does it say IAF rejected the Tejas?
From the article:

The Air Force has already placed an order for 40 LCA jets and has issued a tender to the HAL for another 83 Mark 1A LCAs to replace its vintage fleet of MiG-21 and MiG 27 planes

Do read the whole article and not just the headline of an article lest you prematurely evaluate all over the place.

The range is already resolved.
From the article:

“A fresh delivery schedule was submitted on January 16, 2019 while on January 22, HAL submitted that the ferry range of the aircraft is in compliance with RFP requirements. The Technical Evaluation Committee report has been finalised and the delivery schedule now proposed by HAL, however, remains a non-compliance, for which the IAF is approaching Defence Acquisition Council," they said.

 

[Hassan Guy]

the front part of the plane looks kinda nice i just think that delta wing is sort of outdated

 

[aman_rai]

Well, IAF will have to be content over Indian product and accept gradual upgrading, after the brouhaha over Rafale. Now whichever govt comes and buy whichever fighter, there will be a alleged scam. So no point in complaining. They have to deal with it.

Actually Rafale is proving a boon in disguise.

Slightly disagree with you...
If BJP comes to power we will see next batch of rafale

 

[ziaulislam]

Do pakistanis have nothing better to do?

Tejas has been inducted into the IAF since 2016 and more Tejas are only getting inducted every year.
These are just growing pains that get resolved as you keep inducting more Tejas.

Where in the article does it say IAF rejected the Tejas?
From the article:

The Air Force has already placed an order for 40 LCA jets and has issued a tender to the HAL for another 83 Mark 1A LCAs to replace its vintage fleet of MiG-21 and MiG 27 planes

Do read the whole article and not just the headline of an article lest you prematurely evaluate all over the place.

The range is already resolved.
From the article:

“A fresh delivery schedule was submitted on January 16, 2019 while on January 22, HAL submitted that the ferry range of the aircraft is in compliance with RFP requirements. The Technical Evaluation Committee report has been finalised and the delivery schedule now proposed by HAL, however, remains a non-compliance, for which the IAF is approaching Defence Acquisition Council," they said.

yes, yes its been inducted since 2001

plan hasnt even gotten final operation clearance yet

 

[amardeep mishra]

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Hi @ziaulislam
I can understand your sentiments. It is perfectly right to vocalize your sentiments, however what is WRONG is not doing your homework properly. Had you actually cared to go through elaborate reports, you wouldnt have fallen for the bait. In the detailed report it is clearly mentioned that, under revised proposal HAL actually rectified the ferry range problem in tune with the IAF's requirement. What they however failed to do was the delivery time lines and price. The non compliance as of now is NOT due to ferry range but more due to timelines and price. LCA no doubt have been at the receiving end of fantastic program management of our PSUs (pun intended!), however let me assure most of its technical problems were gradually and steadfastly overcome in last 15 years! The 83 MK1A are pretty much in line with IAF's requirements. Now that MK1 facility has picked up pace, MK1A and MK2 are the fighter jets that will form the bulk of light/medium category in years to come.
PS: Also next time when you post something, do not merely resort to one or two news article, instead go through a whole host of them to formulate entire picture.
Here is the detailed report-

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/after...force-to-approach-defence-acquisition-council

and it clearly states:
Following Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s (HAL’s) repeated non-compliance in terms of fulfilling requirements in the Tejas aircraft deal, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has decided to take up the matter with the Defence Ministry, reports ANI.

In December 2017, the IAF had issued a single vendor tender to HAL, and the latter sent back its first commercial and technical response to it in March 2018.

As per the report, there were three major shortcomings in HAL’s response.

The HAL's offer on price and other aspects was valid only for 12 months, however, the procurement procedure required it to be minimum 18 months. The delivery time offered by the HAL was thus not deemed acceptable.

As per IAF officials quoted in the report, it was also found that the aircraft range and the endurance levels were not in compliance with the requirements. Endurance level pertains to the amount of time an aircraft can be in the air.

The IAF officials thus told HAL to rectify the issues in the proposal and send a revised response. But non-compliance was also noted in HAL’s subsequent responses which were received in the last 15 days.

“The delivery schedule now proposed by HAL remains a non-compliance, for which the IAF is approaching Defence Acquisition Council,” IAF said.

Under the new responses, HAL complied with the ferry range but failed to solve the delivery schedule matter following which IAF has now reportedly decided to approach the Defence Acquisition Council.

The program is already said to have been delayed by over a year despite getting the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) nod in 2016.

The Air Force had already placed an order for 40 LCA jets and had issued tenders to the HAL for another 83 Mark 1A LCAs to replace its old fleet of MiG-27 and MiG 21 aircraft but has had to postpone their retirement given the delays in the LCA and other fighter aircraft procurement projects.

IMHO the teja will not serve in the IAF beyond token numbers..

From all the analysis done by AI, the IAF hate the thing, and are being forced at the point of a gun (virtually) to have a couple of dozen tech demonstration planes.

That will never serve on the front line, the IAF will keep dragging it's feet, and changing the goalposts till its eventual cancellation.

Hi!
It is inconsequential what you believe in! I have had the opportunity to interact with folks who were once the test pilots of the program and my batch mates worked on the certain aspects of the jet. There was indeed a time when it was more of technology demonstrator program and less of an actual war fighting machine. However what a lot of people fail to realize (including a lot of Indians: Please note that since India has acquired some decent buying power in last 2 decades, it is a mecca for international companies and a lot of stories are purposefully planted in media to show various indigenous programs in dim light to prepare the way for imports.) is that over past 15 years, the plane has gone through some major iterations and changes in flight control logic to expand the envelop (hint: improvement in sustained turn rates) that, those issues are not a problem anymore. In fact to your surprise, India does have some decent expertise in developing flight control laws and composites. And no flight control laws are not mere codes, they are the physics of the aircraft and how can they be effectively controlled using digital computer. It uses MRAC like most other modern digtial FBW aircrafts (something which JF-17 still lacks! I am not at all claiming that JF-17 is inferior, it is just that JF-17's controls are not as sophisticated as LCA's).

 

[MimophantSlayer]

yes, yes its been inducted since 2001

plan hasnt even gotten final operation clearance yet

What?
How can a fighter be inducted just after it first flew?

I understand pakistanis' need to scorn any Indian endeavour but at some time you lot have to accept the truth.

How many fighters you know get FOC so quickly after it has been inducted?