IAF not in favour of acquiring Russian 5th gen jets, keen on DRDO Make in India project instead

[ashok321]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ration-fighter-aircraft-russia/1/1039202.html

It seems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is not in favour of acquiring the 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia due to the "very high cost" involved in the project. It in turn wants to back a DRDO Make in India project - which it is planning to develop a similar plane called Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

It is learnt that IAF's views on the aircraft programme have been conveyed to the defence ministry even as a government panel has expressed its views in favour of the programme.

"The Air Force has its reservations on the programme mainly on three points. First, the project cost is too high and way beyond what it had expected. The learning curve is not there as the project is already at an advanced stage and the stealth technology of the planes is not as advanced as that of the other similar planes," senior government sources told Mail Today.


MAINTENANCE COST VERY HIGH: IAF

The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance and upkeep has been quite demanding in their around 20 years in the force, they said.

The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAKFA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening, which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts.

"The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to $300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived," the sources revealed.


AIR MARSHAL SAYS OTHERWISE

"The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft," added the sources.

Sources said the investment of $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another $135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes, which would be ready for induction only after 2027-28.

The cost per aircraft at the time of delivery in 2027-28, due to high inflation in defence deals, would come around $250 million bringing the total project value to around $32 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore), sources also said.

Air Marshal S Varthman committee has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to coproduce the planes with Russia and the Defence ministry has to decide on it taking into account both the viewpoints.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ration-fighter-aircraft-russia/1/1039202.html

It seems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is not in favour of acquiring the 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia due to the "very high cost" involved in the project. It in turn wants to back a DRDO Make in India project - which it is planning to develop a similar plane called Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

It is learnt that IAF's views on the aircraft programme have been conveyed to the defence ministry even as a government panel has expressed its views in favour of the programme.

"The Air Force has its reservations on the programme mainly on three points. First, the project cost is too high and way beyond what it had expected. The learning curve is not there as the project is already at an advanced stage and the stealth technology of the planes is not as advanced as that of the other similar planes," senior government sources told Mail Today.


MAINTENANCE COST VERY HIGH: IAF

The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance and upkeep has been quite demanding in their around 20 years in the force, they said.

The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAKFA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening, which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts.

"The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to $300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived," the sources revealed.


AIR MARSHAL SAYS OTHERWISE

"The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft," added the sources.

Sources said the investment of $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another $135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes, which would be ready for induction only after 2027-28.

The cost per aircraft at the time of delivery in 2027-28, due to high inflation in defence deals, would come around $250 million bringing the total project value to around $32 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore), sources also said.

Air Marshal S Varthman committee has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to coproduce the planes with Russia and the Defence ministry has to decide on it taking into account both the viewpoints.

Does India has capability to build a 5th Generation fighter? It is strange that Indian Airforce could not even induct "Indigenously Developed" 4th generation fighter but is putting its faith on a 5th generation project.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

Its official...IAF is more indecisive than a woman

Tomorrow it will deliberate on F-22

 

[faithfulguy]

Does India has capability to build a 5th Generation fighter? It is strange that Indian Airforce could not even induct "Indigenously Developed" 4th generation fighter but is putting its faith on a 5th generation project.

India can always get inline for F-35. It will be in the back of queue.

But this is still the most plausible method for India to get a fifth gen fighter.

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

Its official...IAF is more indecisive than a woman

Tomorrow it will deliberate on F-22

buying f-22 is outside indian aukaat. this is all hot air.daily bollywood entertainmnet.

whole world knows this now. and now everyone is laughing on indian mixed pickle airforce.

one day mixed pickle airforce will say they want to buy JF17 too.

where is indian exparts?????

@MilSpec @Stephen Cohen @duhastmish @IndoCarib @Rollno21 @Kal Muah @Gurjot.S @Srinivas @unbiasedopinion @hacker J @kṣamā @Rajeev_Anand @Papa Dragon @#hydra# @BABA AGHORI @Omega007
@Viny @Abhijeet Sarkar @gslv mk3 @neem456 @paritosh @Alphacharlie @illusion8 @Kapwercs

 

[Basel]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ration-fighter-aircraft-russia/1/1039202.html

It seems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is not in favour of acquiring the 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia due to the "very high cost" involved in the project. It in turn wants to back a DRDO Make in India project - which it is planning to develop a similar plane called Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

It is learnt that IAF's views on the aircraft programme have been conveyed to the defence ministry even as a government panel has expressed its views in favour of the programme.

"The Air Force has its reservations on the programme mainly on three points. First, the project cost is too high and way beyond what it had expected. The learning curve is not there as the project is already at an advanced stage and the stealth technology of the planes is not as advanced as that of the other similar planes," senior government sources told Mail Today.


MAINTENANCE COST VERY HIGH: IAF

The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance and upkeep has been quite demanding in their around 20 years in the force, they said.

The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAKFA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening, which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts.

"The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to $300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived," the sources revealed.


AIR MARSHAL SAYS OTHERWISE

"The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft," added the sources.

Sources said the investment of $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another $135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes, which would be ready for induction only after 2027-28.

The cost per aircraft at the time of delivery in 2027-28, due to high inflation in defence deals, would come around $250 million bringing the total project value to around $32 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore), sources also said.

Air Marshal S Varthman committee has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to coproduce the planes with Russia and the Defence ministry has to decide on it taking into account both the viewpoints.

It seems IAF has taken PAF Chief announcement of "developing 5th gen bird in house" very seriously.

 

[ito]

PAKFA are really huge planes. I am not sure they look like anything 5th gen. I think resource crunch after US sanctions on Russia has effected Russian Military industry.

If India doesn't go for PAKFA, then India will have to acquire either F35s or design its own 5th gen fighters.

 

[Papa Dragon]

IAF top brass are the most corrupt and I'm pretty sure they will kill every indigenous project for their kickbacks and commissions. We all know how their decisions changed from Rafales to F16s and now the Gripens. Inducting too many platforms will only be a logistical nightmare. I seriously hope IAF and IN procure 2 more squadrons of Rafales each and call off procurement of foreign jets once and for all and stick to developing LCA Mk2 and AMCA

 

[holysaturn]

It seems IAF has taken PAF Chief announcement of "developing 5th gen bird in house" very seriously.

The world doesn't revolve around PAF. Pakistan cant produce a scooter , LOL at fifth generation fighter.
On topic, I doubt India can develop one any time soon and if it is under ADA then forget about it.

 

[Hassan Guy]

The world doesn't revolve around PAF. Pakistan cant produce a scooter , LOL at fifth generation fighter.
On topic, I doubt India can develop one any time soon and if it is under ADA then forget about it.

Saying Pakistan can't produce a scooter is like saying Afghanistan can't produce opium.

And don't worry about our 5th gen fighter it will come along, our 4th gen program is in full swing right now, so don't be hating boy.

 

[#hydra#]

First of all gen5 fighters come with high price tag,u can't have a cheep High tech items. Secondly India isn't technologically capable to hava a stealthy fifth generation fighters by our own. Thirdly any pull back from oakfa program will make strong Russia Pak relationship.

 

[jetray]

They know very well that DRDO will produce nothing but s***** and then they will say it is a failure. After that we will buy from some western country.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

buying f-22 is outside indian aukaat. this is all hot air.daily bollywood entertainmnet.

whole world knows this now. and now everyone is laughing on indian mixed pickle airforce.

one day mixed pickle airforce will say they want to buy JF17 too.

where is indian exparts?????

@MilSpec @Stephen Cohen @duhastmish @IndoCarib @Rollno21 @Kal Muah @Gurjot.S @Srinivas @unbiasedopinion @hacker J @kṣamā @Rajeev_Anand @Papa Dragon @#hydra# @BABA AGHORI @Omega007
@Viny @Abhijeet Sarkar @gslv mk3 @neem456 @paritosh @Alphacharlie @illusion8 @Kapwercs

Jinki aukat namak aur payaz ke Saath roti khaane ki ho.. woh mix pickle ka sawad Kya jaane .
Khaane ko nai dane buddi chali bhunnane

 

[Basel]

The world doesn't revolve around PAF. Pakistan cant produce a scooter , LOL at fifth generation fighter.
On topic, I doubt India can develop one any time soon and if it is under ADA then forget about it.

We produce more than that Mr. Low knowledge, before opening your mouth do some research, also Pakistan will make it's 5th gen bird just like Sweden made it's Gripen so it none of your business let us deal with our issues.

It will not take 30 years to build it like India 4th gen bird as we have jointly built our 4th gen bird with China while Indian so called indigenous bird is mostly made with foreign assistance and components.

 

[BATMAN]

Indian's oppressive army always follow Pakistan defense forces footsteps, but copying there statements is another level.