IAF lost 19 planes, 11 copters in three years

[Daedalus]

File photo of Indian Air Force aircrafts. (Photo: PTI/File)
New Delhi: Altogether 19 fighter aircraft and 11 helicopters of the armed forces crashed in last three years in which 24 service personnel were killed, the Lok Sabha was informed on Friday.

Defence minister Arun Jaitley said that nine fighter aircraft and four choppers crashed in 2011-12, in which seven service personnel lost their lives. These crashed aircraft include two mirage aircraft.

In 2012-13, four fighter aircraft and five helicopters crashed in which 15 service personnel were killed. Mr Jaitley told the House that in 2014-15, so far only one fighter aircraft crashed, claiming the life of a service personnel.

IAF lost 19 planes, 11 copters in three years

 

[$@rJen]

One of the reason we need, LCA and Rafale Soooon

 

[sancho]

One of the reason we need, LCA and Rafale Soooon

Not necessarily, since not all of the losses were caused by technical issues, but also by human error and that can happen with modern fighters of course too, just as it happens in other forces around the world.
What the opening article however does not say (maybe because it's not a sensation), that the number of losses is reducing every year:

2012 report to Lok Sabha - 33 x fighters lost in 3 years = 11 per year
2013 report to Lok Sabha - 29 x fighters lost in 3 years = 8.25 per year
2014 report to Lok Sabha - 19 x fighters lost in 3 years = 6.3 per year

Good work by MoD and IAF I would say!

 

[Imran Khan]

poora aik sqn kha gaay is trah

 

[janon]

Not necessarily, since not all of the losses were caused by technical issues, but also by human error and that can happen with modern fighters of course too, just as it happens in other forces around the world.
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Modern aircrafts are easier to fly, and hence less prone to human errors. Mig-21s for instance are notoriously unforgiving machines, and a slight error by the pilot can result in a catastrophic accident. OTOH, modern fighters with FBW and quad redundant controls are much easier to handle, and less error prone. So even human error can be minimized with newer aircrafts.

 

[sancho]

Modern aircrafts are easier to fly, and hence less prone to human errors. Mig-21s for instance are notoriously unforgiving machines, and a slight error by the pilot can result in a catastrophic accident. OTOH, modern fighters with FBW and quad redundant controls are much easier to handle, and less error prone. So even human error can be minimized with newer aircrafts.

The recent crashes show the opposite. C130J crash caused by pilot error, some of MKI crashes, the collision of the 2 Mirage 2000s or Mi 17s during exercises. Pilot errors can always happen, even with the most modern aircrafts.

 

[SQ8]

Not necessarily, since not all of the losses were caused by technical issues, but also by human error and that can happen with modern fighters of course too, just as it happens in other forces around the world.
What the opening article however does not say (maybe because it's not a sensation), that the number of losses is reducing every year:

2012 report to Lok Sabha - 33 x fighters lost in 3 years = 11 per year
2013 report to Lok Sabha - 29 x fighters lost in 3 years = 8.25 per year
2014 report to Lok Sabha - 19 x fighters lost in 3 years = 6.3 per year

Good work by MoD and IAF I would say!

Newer induction also smoothing into the system, long awaited training systems coming online. etc etc

 

[sancho]

Newer induction also smoothing into the system, long awaited training systems coming online. etc etc

Of course, upgrades of older fighters, more MKIs added and the finally improving training capabilities, all reasons for improvements.

 

[SQ8]

Of course, upgrades of older fighters, more MKIs added and the finally improving training capabilities, all reasons for improvements.

It also could mean that certain intense flying hours have been reduced for types now fully inducted into the fleet.

 

[sancho]

It also could mean that certain intense flying hours have been reduced for types now fully inducted into the fleet.

Which type do you mean?

 

[SQ8]

Which type do you mean?

MKI, Hawk.. etc.

 

[Indischer]

Not necessarily, since not all of the losses were caused by technical issues, but also by human error and that can happen with modern fighters of course too, just as it happens in other forces around the world.
What the opening article however does not say (maybe because it's not a sensation), that the number of losses is reducing every year:

2012 report to Lok Sabha - 33 x fighters lost in 3 years = 11 per year
2013 report to Lok Sabha - 29 x fighters lost in 3 years = 8.25 per year
2014 report to Lok Sabha - 19 x fighters lost in 3 years = 6.3 per year

Good work by MoD and IAF I would say!

It's Human error all right, but of a more indirect nature, IMO. Many of the servicing, periodic maintenance and overhauling work from the likes of HAL and BRDs aren't actually very good. The quality is built into the paperwork, but not into the actual product.

The agencies concerned are very good at washing any blame off their hands, and the blame finally gets hung around pilots, some of whom won't even be alive any more to defend themselves.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It's Human error all right, but of a more indirect nature, IMO.

if its human error then new aeroplane inductions wont help

 

[Gessler]

if its human error then new aeroplane inductions wont help

They would if they come with new work disciplines & methods implemented into the production lines & staffing.

 

[user1]

Hmmm .... MANIFEST DESTINY!