IAF : Covering up Su-30 Loss?

[doorstar]

there were videos of two aircraft burning in maqbooza kashmir that day. but some PDFers claimed them both to be the chopper burning site despite the fact that landscapes were different, fireballs were diferrent, aircraft shapes were different, tvmen were different as were the onlookers they were talking to

 

[JonAsad]

Well supposedly they failed to turn on IFF and failed to prove themselves as friendly so if they are being awarded just for flying the heli and losing it then kudos to the criteria of IA

thats wrong on so many levels.. incompetence of the pilots led to additional 4 deaths of the passengers .. still the pilots receiving awards.. indians are pathetic human beings...

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

IAF decisively proved that they didn't lose any SU-30s by flying the so-called Balakot formation.
Because the IAF had only Two SU-30s in its inventory which it was able to field for the audience.
This action by the IAF alone proves how desperate it is to cover up it's loss.

U made my day .!! Stop it. they will start suicide wolfpack n avengers hahahahahhahahahahahahahahha

 

[Khanate]

IAF: F-16 used
DG: No
PDF: No

IAF: AMRAAM USED
DG: NO
PDF: NO

IAF: AMRAAM used... here is the PROOF...
DG: No
PDF: Vietnamese AMRAAM
ENTIRE PAKISTAN: JF-17, JF-17, JF-17n...

Now, my question is when no F-16 was used... No AMRAAM was fired... how is it possible to shoot down a MKI... by using AMRAAM...

someone is TRYING TO LIE... BADLY... and facts are contradicting their THEORIES...

Typical brainwashed Indian.

Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail (R) published the entire account of Feb 27th back in June 2019 in which he stated that F-16, JF-17 and Mirages were used in the air battle. ISPR never claimed otherwise.

Meanwhile, Indian Air Chief continues to lie blatantly about the failed Balakot mission to this day and delude gullible Indians. Just look at the joke they have made out of people like you.

• Pulwama - From Bluster to a Whimper

You can never forget this clip in which Indian media tried to pass off their own MiG-21 as F-16.

 

[airomerix]

yeah but PAF also need to present a definite proof too which can be shared with international audience.

Nope we do not need to provide any proof for the consumption of the public.

The concerned bodies and institutions know it. IAF knows it. We know it. Russians know it. Pentagon knows it.

 

[Arsalan 345]

People have seen 2 pilots.we know 2 jets were shot down.they will reveal truth someday.

 

[airomerix]

Threat level was reduced after Pak official spokespersons plus Pak media too started. Focusing on the narrative of reportedly no casualties in Balakot.
This led many here believe that No escalation will be done by Pak as Pak leadership now has ample narrative and political space to manuever.

Which is why standing CAPs were significantly reduced by IAF in morning.

You are stupid at best and a liar at worst.

DG ISPR made an open threat of a swift response at the time of our choosing. No professional force would let its guard down. IAF did (According to you)

The real reason the IAF CAP's were not at their peak was the serviceability issue with Su's and Mirages flying all night and landing between 0600 and 0700. The only two Su's on ADA were scrambled because the rest were in the maintenance hanger. I bet you have no first hand sources in 221 sqn. Believe me. PAF does.

EDIT: Not to forget, your AWACS landing during the same time frame. It was duly picked up by our Saab. We gave it a good nights kiss too

 

[Riz]

IAF: F-16 used
DG: No
PDF: No

IAF: AMRAAM USED
DG: NO
PDF: NO

IAF: AMRAAM used... here is the PROOF...
DG: No
PDF: Vietnamese AMRAAM
ENTIRE PAKISTAN: JF-17, JF-17, JF-17n...

Now, my question is when no F-16 was used... No AMRAAM was fired... how is it possible to shoot down a MKI... by using AMRAAM...

someone is TRYING TO LIE... BADLY... and facts are contradicting their THEORIES...

You fool we were at war at that time, why would we reveal our strategy at that time specially to our enemy india?? And where are the remaining AMRAAMs which your famous jet SU-30 aka dodger dodged?? You showed only one AMRAAMs piece show us the remaining 5

Nobody in Indian government especially higher levels pays any attention to ISPR statements

And what is the current situation ?? are taking our DGISPR seriously or not???

 

[PakSword]

IAF: F-16 used
DG: No
PDF: No

IAF: AMRAAM USED
DG: NO
PDF: NO

IAF: AMRAAM used... here is the PROOF...
DG: No
PDF: Vietnamese AMRAAM
ENTIRE PAKISTAN: JF-17, JF-17, JF-17n...

Now, my question is when no F-16 was used... No AMRAAM was fired... how is it possible to shoot down a MKI... by using AMRAAM...

someone is TRYING TO LIE... BADLY... and facts are contradicting their THEORIES...

No F16 was used in bombing your military installations. DG was right, so you didn't have to lock on a F16 when it wasn't there.

F16s were used to shoot you down when you tried to follow JF17s and Mirages, and crossed LoC after we successfully blasted the behinds of some Indian generals.

So yeah, in the actual bombing operation itself, no F16 was used, only JFs and Mirages. F16s were in a defensive posture on our side of LoC. If your planes hadn't crossed the border, F16s wouldn't have shot them down.

One of your planes crashed on our side, while the other on your side when it turned back after realizing it has entered into a Lion's club. Eye witness statements are there for you to check. According to our DG as well, the plane crashed in IOK. If there had been that much confusion on our side, our DG wouldn't have said that the plane crashed in IOJK. Infact, he wouldn't have made and statement about a second plane. Our ISPR represents all the forces, and was getting every detail in real time.

Out of the two parachutes of your SU30, one landed in Pakistan, the other one in India. The fate of your pilot who died in our custody will never be known to you common Indians as by that time, a lot of international diplomatic efforts had started for de escalation. Your pilot was therefore returned the next day, and the body of your second one was handed over secretly as per the requests of third parties involved.

So yeah, no F16 used in bombing you so no F16 was required to be shot. AMRAAM pieces you have found are from close to the border area where your planes got shot. It was probably that AMRAAM that hit your SU 30 over LOC.

If there hadn't been any videos of Abhinandan, your side would've claimed that no plane was lost, and probably we would've returned Abhinandan secretly too. Remember, your media was told that all pilots/ planes were accounted for until the thukai of Abhinandan didn't go viral.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

The Six Victims belonging to Indian Air Force, who lost their lives during Indo-Pak air combat on 27th February 2019. Unlike WC Abhinandan, they never get the chance to come infront of media and tell their real account. As per Indian sources, these six lost their life when India's Spyder SAM system shot their own Mi-17 helicopter down out of panic in a friendly fire incident.

Interestingly, out of these six victims, only Sqn Ldrs Siddharth Vashisht & Ninad Mandavgane (shown in above two larger Pic sections) will receive Vayu Sena Medal on this Republic Day of India. Rest four will receive mention in dispatches only; a biased behavior indeed.

Now it raises certain doubts,

1: Why TWO Squadron Leaders were flying a helicopter? In general two Sq Ldrs are not assigned at the same time for flying a helicopter.

2: Why only Sq Ldrs are receiving Gallantry awards, not rest? Why they both are special? Is it sign of professional biasness? Or something else?

3: Why Six personal were onboard a helicopter which was on search & rescue duty? A duty which in general is undertaken by four men?

4: Are the pilots of downed Su-30 MKI among them? After all the easiest way to coverup loss of life is to include them in helicopter losses.



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Kuch bhi......... why can't just accept the reality that only one Mig 21 down.

Pakistan and India - didn't loose f16 and Su30mki ........

didnt we had them? aka those captured pilots? And PAF also failed to give a definitive proof of that Su30 downing, all we have is a mere hearsay and connect the dots theories......

Those tall claims of Videos of these two birds downing as well as no radar, IR signatures being shared as well? But PAF itself has also not helped build its case for the Su30s either, as these proofs no matter what they r r still weak in their nature, as for russia, they themselves have given SCO hosting rights to india as well as their ambassador to india has clearly said that this kashmir annexation is an internal indian matter and is an overall a bilateral issue not an international issue a government of pakistan hasnt also broken those treaties of tashkent and lahore declaration either, even donald trump has also said the same thing to imran khan in davos abt kashmir conflict.

Dont get me wrong its clear that Su30 was downed at makra village in IOK even the burning wreckage video is also there in it the eyewitness is clearly saying what he saw......he said(watch below) he saw that the crash aircraft was a jet fighter NOT A HELICOPTER!

same can claim by us : F16 shootdown by IAF but IAF also failed to give a definitive proof of that F16 downing,

 

[untitled]

Nope we do not need to provide any proof for the consumption of the public.

TBH, am not pleased with this line of thought. We the ignorant masses are good enough to be given a 'claim' but not good enough to be shared its proof.

 

[airomerix]

Kuch bhi......... why can't just accept the reality that only one Mig 21 down.

Pakistan and India - didn't loose f16 and Su30mki ........




same can claim by us : F16 shootdown by IAF but IAF also failed to give a definitive proof of that F16 downing,

Phata hua AMRAAM kahan se mila phir?

 

[untitled]

Kuch bhi......... why can't just accept the reality that only one Mig 21 down.

Then why did India not retaliate?
Why was W/C Varthaman decorated?
And how the hell does India claim this to be a victory?

 

[airomerix]

TBH. Am not pleased with this line of thought. We the ignorant masses are good enough to be told a 'claim' but not good enough to be shared it's proof.

Sometimes giving out a proof is a risk. For example, the IAF showed some lousy pencil sketched pictures of radar images. They were not according to scale, nor they were anything close to an actual radar feed.

What they should have done is shown the entire clip of the actual radar scope footage. But it poses several hazards for the IAF itself. For one they will have to show how much is the coverage of their AWACS or of whatever radar they deployed. The frequencies, call signs, movement of their own assets.

We have similar proofs of their Su downing. Along with data from the F-16s mission computer. It is not for public consumption. The only proof worthy of public consumption was the mig 21 debris which PAF did show.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Phata hua AMRAAM kahan se mila phir?

Let me know if anyone found a AMRAAM in a single pic after firing from fighter..... it's very funny that you are expecting Missile with a single pic if not hit a aircarft

Then why did India not retaliate?
Why was W/C Varthaman decorated?
And how the hell does India claim this to be a victory?

Both countries claim many things. now depends on you, you accept the fact or blindly trust on the claims..