I am an Indian who came to Pakistan for the Track II dialogue. Here's what I think We need

[B.K.N]

Shaan Shahid is the odd guy among them who openly condemns such so-called "pakistani" artists

Because he is jagga badmash

Why is he not making such type of new films

 

[Dalai Lama]

There can be no peace with a country born out of hate.

 

[El Sidd]

Lol....

To the article it's nice and I'm glad she liked the place. However her country elects the sanghi originated hate machine in overwhelming numbers for the second term running, their media hurls venom against Pakistan as if it's a national sport, and even 'liberal' Bollywood industry hates Pakistan and Pakistanis with even soft boy Karan Johar getting in on the act lol.
Nothing can be expected for years if not forever.

Its a lost cause over there in the East. Fascism has dug itself in deep in India.

But a lot of the Pakistani populace seems to want friendship.

And if you look close enough you will find Indians also having the same peaceful sentiment.

PDF can play a good role towards this end.

Listen to this prank by RJ Naved from Radio Mirchi.

You can self immolate yourself while protesting for peace. We will name PDFs pet cat to honor your great sacrifice and the band Laal will dedicate their next song to you.

Deal?

And provide a proof that Urdu was invented in Lahore or Karachi.

Should we stop using the wheel and only those who 'invented' it would use it?

urdu is born from awadh region of UP during the time of mughals when hindustani fauzis were in majority and could not speak farsi so mughals deviced a language where script was almost same as farsi but vocals were from local hindu dialects thats the origin urdu is language of 40 crore muslims in India and thr r 100 of urdu channels both local and few national use same language

the day you start writing Fauji and not Fauzi will be the day i will try and take you seriously about this language.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Its a lost cause over there in the East. Fascism has dug itself in deep in India.



You can self immolate yourself while protesting for peace. We will name PDFs pet cat to honor your great sacrifice and the band Laal will dedicate their next song to you.

Deal?



Should we stop using the wheel and only those who 'invented' it would use it?
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No no, that was not the point. I say, accept the reality of things. If we separated from India, it doesn't makes us Arab or Turkish or Persian. Only this was my point.

 

[SIPRA]

To be honest, your (all Pakistani) suggestions are crooked. You are not even honest to your cognitive thinking and your conscious.

The demand, of right of self determination for the people of Kashmir, is very much there, since 1947, when India occupied the valley of Kashmir, by force. It is the demand of the state of Pakistan, first initiated by the father of the nation. I fail to understand, how a Pakistani, who reiterates this old demand, and deems it necessary for the peace, between India and Pakistan, can be called "crooked" and not honest. Rather, the converse is true. It is you people, who are always bent upon, by devious and crooked means, to divert the attention from this long-standing genuine and real issue.

Hafiz saied is real, Masood Azhar is real. Salahuddin is real. Osama was real. Colaboration between Al-Qaida and Jaish is real. Doctrin of perpetual Zehad is real.

If you care to ponder honestly, then you would know that all these people are the consequence and product of the following three illegitimate occupations, by force:

1) Indian occupation of Kashmir in 1947
2) Occupation of Afghanistan by USSR in 1979
3) Invasion of US in Afghanistan in 2001

Problem will not go away even if we vacate Kashmir, because Hafiz Saied and many prominent personalities have openly declared time and again that they will not stop until whole india becomes Muslim.

Nobody is asking India to vacate Kashmir. Let the plebiscite happen, under certain agreed arrangement. If people of Kashmir want to remain with India, then Kashmir shall remain part of the India. Significance of Hafiz Saeed Sahib and likes is all owing to the issue of Kashmir. What these people say otherwise is insignificant. No prominent personality of Pakistan says, what you are concocting and ascribing to. I have lived whole of my life in Pakistan. I have not met a single person yet, who has any intention of making whole or part of the India Muslim, as you are claiming. India is a sovereign country and Pakistan respects its sovereignty, albeit excluding the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

I am not trolling, but if I can correct your words, it would be like-

"Aik Zihad ki mazboori hae qafas
Chhor saktay, tau chaman main hotay"

Good one. But if you are fond of modifying Urdu or Hindi poetry, you should learn the art of poetic meter, called Behr and Wazan. By your intervention, first line of the couplet has gone totally out of meter (Kharaj az Wazan).

 

[El Sidd]

No no, that was not the point. I say, accept the reality of things. If we separated from India, it doesn't makes us Arab or Turkish or Persian. Only this was my point.

There is a problem.

Pakistan was carved out of British India and not India.

Even in modern day India, Muslims are referred to as Turks, Persians, Afghans or Arabs. Those who converted to Islam are being put through reeducation programs of #GharWapsi.

 

[SIPRA]

There can be no peace with a country born out of hate.

Is this the Newton's fourth law?

 

[third eye]

If you care to ponder honestly, then you would know that all these people are the consequence and product of the following three illegitimate occupations, by force:

1) Indian occupation of Kashmir in 1947
2) Occupation of Afghanistan by USSR in 1979
3) Invasion of US in Afghanistan in 2001

How does this condone anything ?

US / USSR ' invades ' Af & terrorists spawn in Pakistan ! Pak not only encourages them but uses them as a tool to gain leverage .

As far as Serial 1 above, the ' invasion' happened in 1947 , these blokes werent even born then or must have been toddlers at best.

Significance of Hafiz Saeed Sahib and likes is all owing to the issue of Kashmir.

The fact that you refer to a Globally designated terrorist as ' Sahib" speaks a lot the leanings of the nation he lives in.

 

[SIPRA]

As far as Serial 1 above, the ' invasion' happened in 1947 , these blokes werent even born then or must have been toddlers at best.

Yes. Of course, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bhagat Singh, Subhas Chandra Bose, and many others, who were called terrorists and criminals, by the British, were the product and consequence of the British occupation of India, though they were born centuries, after that occupation was initiated.

The fact that you refer to a Globally designated terrorist as ' Sahib" speaks a lot the leanings of the nation he lives in.

The fact that you elect a Terrorist, Criminal and Mass Killer, as your Prime Minister speaks a lot, the leanings of the nation, he governs.

 

[jamahir]

A lot of media houses in India is controlled by the current BJP govt...yes some left leaning media like NDTV, India today can dare to do that..but seems they are also toying the BJP lines to get the govt. ads and the money to keep their business running.

Yes, NDTV, India Today and The Hindu are respectable. Times of India is also not bad.

And you are right, even if some media houses are not right-leaning, they tend to support the government line so that their business is running.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/973665/refused-entry-pakistani-family-spends-night-on-a-mumbai-footpath/

That was an unfortunate event.

We must remember that despite the secular Bollywood being part of Bombay ( Mumbai ), Indian Muslims still find it difficult to find houses in some apartments.

Also, the hotels in Bombay must have feared backlash from the Shiv Sena right-wing group if they would have given room to this Pakistani family.

I guess I'm spoiling the atmosphere for everyone. Sorry guys, a tough life has made me bitter.

Well, truth must be said, even if bitter.

Indians and Pakistanis can indeed be good and valuable friends. I wish all people who work for this peace a good and bright future.

Some people may call it cowardice but avoiding war is not cowardice. Even if we win a war how many households will lose a father, brother or son? This is why a leader has to take into account every angle.

Well said.

We will name PDFs pet cat to honor your great sacrifice

And a worthy act it will be.

 

[El Sidd]

And a worthy act it will be.

Nobody is stopping you. Just do it and we will make sure you get a proper farewell on PDF.

 

[jamahir]

Nobody is stopping you. Just do it and we will make sure you get a proper farewell on PDF.

I meant naming the cat after me.

 

[El Sidd]

I meant naming the cat after me.

that is conditional to your self immolation. The cat has agreed only you are refraining from this noble act for peace.

Go to Delhi. Protest for peace and if no one listens to you. Self immolate yourself.

We will print you Che Guvera T-Shirts and remember your name. Use Iranian oil to do it.

 

[third eye]

Replies along expected lines , no surprises here

Yes. Of course, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bhagat Singh, Subhas Chandra Bose, and many others, who were called terrorists and criminals, by the British, were the product and consequence of the British occupation of India, though they were born centuries, after that occupation was initiated.

All the men quoted above stood up for their country unlike the reasons you gave for the three yahoos who as per you took up arms for Af & J&K - both distant lands for them ( with the active encouragement of ISI)

Next , back then India was a Brit dominion, hence the Brits dd what they did for the land they were in possesion of.

There is no similarity between Hafiz seed ' Sahib" ( !) & the men refered above. Also , has GOP ( when under pressure) not arrested him as part of window dressing ?

The fact that you elect a Terrorist, Criminal and Mass Killer, as your Prime Minister speaks a lot, the leanings of the nation, he governs

The operative word is ' elect'

Show me a link to when Modi was declared an international terrorist

 

[Republic]

Nobody is asking India to vacate Kashmir. Let the plebiscite happen, under certain agreed arrangement. If people of Kashmir want to remain with India, then Kashmir shall remain part of the India.

Plebiscite is justified only where the present constitution and administrative system is biased towards one community and other don't have equal rights.
Then other can claim a right of self rule or separation.
Like, in Pakistan Hindus of Sindh and Ahmedia community can claim these rights because constitution don't give them equal rights to a Sunni Muslim.

But in a secular democratic country like India where everyone has equal right; nobody has a justifiable reason to claim separation.
If a person
1. Elects his own government at all three levels, i. e. Village Panchayat/ City government, State assembly and National Parliament,
2. Has his own brothers in Security, administration and every department.
Then he is living in the most independent society.

He has no justifiable reason for separation. He may be a religious or ethenic fanatic, has no place in modern society and must be crushed.