Huzb ul Ahrar Confirms Death of 15 of its Terrorists in Afghanistan including 6 Top Commanders

[BHarwana]

Both CIA and ISI are known to collaborate on these matters and both try to keep tabs on the movements of hardcore terrorists across the region. Do not underestimate the NSA-CIA nexus, it is responsible for assassinating thousands of terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan (declassified information). They have tools beyond the grasp of many in the world. They helped Pakistan defeat TTP - a fact that many in Pakistan refuse to acknowledge openly.

Now managing Afghanistan is a different issue altogether. Kabul Regime is mired in CORRUPTION and unable to provide justice to the masses. This is why much of RURAL Afghanistan is up in arms against the Kabul Regime, under the banner of the RESURGENT Afghan Taliban. Americans are absolutely aware of these realities and they realize that this dynamic cannot last for indefinite period - use of force will not bridge the existing RURAL-URBAN Afghan disconnect. This is why Trump administration is considering a negotiated settlement for this conflict with the so-called RESURGENT Afghan Taliban. The WAR for controlling Afghanistan is lost.

If situation worsen, US might consider ditching Ashraf Ghani in the process. This guy has done more harm than good. He is a liability at this point and he still does not get the memo. He should step down and allow his political rival to take charge.

Cia created TTP. Give up one or 2 assets here and there once a year is not helping it is called reestablishing the leadership of an organization to your favor. I mean it is very simple if a leadership is not doing as you wish just tell their enemies about location and change the leadership without taking blame. If CIA was capable they would not have asked do more from Pakistan for 18 years and they would have dominated Afghanistan the most backward country in the world. It is Cia failure which has led to this time period of 2 decades in a war. Can you imagine the amount of money spent in Afghanistan and what should one do about high end technology if you fail against someone that has no technology.

 

[LeGenD]

Cia created TTP. Give up one or 2 assets here and there once a year is not helping it is called reestablishing the leadership of an organization to your favor. I mean it is very simple if a leadership is not doing as you wish just tell their enemies about location and change the leadership without taking blame. If CIA was capable they would not have asked do more from Pakistan for 18 years and they would have dominated Afghanistan the most backward country in the world. It is Cia failure which has led to this time period of 2 decades in a war. Can you imagine the amount of money spent in Afghanistan and what should one do about high end technology if you fail against someone that has no technology.

Bro,

There is difference between SUSPECTED and CONFIRMED. There is no proof that CIA created TTP - does not make sense because CIA assassinated Baitullah Mehsud in 2009, founding father of TTP movement and its most accomplished commander as well. This assassination splintered TTP movement on the ground and CIA assassinated additional number of key TTP figures while Pakistani armed forces cleared Pakistani territory from the TTP Rank and File (and more) over time.

Pakistani ISI and FIA and American CIA and NSA - these agencies were involved in COIN operations against TTP and Al-Qaeda Network across Pakistan and Afghanistan. ISI had a holistic role but FIA had a Pakistan-exclusive role in this matter.

I do not rule out the possibility of Indian RAW supporting TTP movement because India stands to gain the most from destruction of Pakistan. Indian RAW agency acts independently from American CIA and have its own rings in Iran and Afghanistan. Indian RAW agency have openly supported and funded groups such as BLA for instance, so why not TTP?

Americans destroyed a far bigger terrorist movement in ISIS across the Middle East. They are absolutely capable in the matters of COIN; they are fighting these type of groups since 2001.

American interests converge with Indian interests to certain extent but not at the expense of other options on the table. India have its own games and so do Americans.

 

[BHarwana]

Bro,

There is difference between SUSPECTED and CONFIRMED. There is no proof that CIA created TTP - does not make sense because CIA assassinated Baitullah Mehsud in 2009, founding father of TTP movement and its most accomplished commander as well. This assassination splintered TTP movement on the ground and CIA assassinated additional number of key TTP figures while Pakistani armed forces cleared Pakistani territory from the TTP Rank and File (and more) over time.

Pakistani ISI and FIA and American CIA and NSA - these agencies were involved in COIN operations against TTP and Al-Qaeda Network across Pakistan and Afghanistan. ISI had a holistic role but FIA had a Pakistan-exclusive role in this matter.

I do not rule out the possibility of Indian RAW supporting TTP movement because India stands to gain the most from destruction of Pakistan. Indian RAW agency acts independently from American CIA and have its own rings in Iran and Afghanistan. Indian RAW agency have openly supported and funded groups such as BLA for instance, so why not TTP?

Americans destroyed a far bigger terrorist movement in ISIS across the Middle East. They are absolutely capable in the matters of COIN; they are fighting these type of groups since 2001.

American interests converge with Indian interests to certain extent but not at the expense of other options on the table. India have its own games and so do Americans.

My friend I agree there is no proof but it is popular opinion and why do you think so many people have that impression.

Now say Cia is good is wrong. CIA is not good. It has been 19 years and still the war in Afghanistan continues. You cannot justify 2 decades of failure so if Cia is giving no result to USA then how is Cia capable of helpping Pakistan?

Cia is not. You cannot justify Cia with being capable cause faliure in Afghanistan is not something that happened once. It is happening for 19 years now continously. So anyone with such lengthy record of faliure can help someone else.

 

[The Eagle]

They have to mention Afghanistan (so-called) special forces just because the unknown hitman been haunting and their top tier handlers have to save some face for the grace whatever left. Afghan forces are only good to bomb civilians or Anti-Ghani political rivals. The second tweet speaks the volume and intention to claim as such. Don't expect that mother to them terrorists will do so especially since Ghani is singing every anti Pakistan song. They somehow learnt the way from their trainers, to call it friendly fire & shame themselves to avoid big embarrassment in shape of someone else hit them. I cannot expect any grace & dignity from Afghan Puppet Regime that may tell the truth. However, snakes are down and more will be crushed.

 

[Wrath]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226733207455965184

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226735456135655425

As per this journalist Pakistan is also taking credit

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226747367388590081

May Allah bless and help those who work for Pakistan . May Allah almighty keep them safe . Ameen .

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I am sure someone is doing all the planning and resources management for all these events. I mean to say that hands pulling the trigger are just borrowed help. No way Pakistan can afford that one of its operatives get caught in Afghanistan.

ISI can track, identify the target then fund and plan the operation. After that assign the task to some local goon. Why get your own hands dirty and risk embarrassment if get caught.

Remember kubushan yadav is the same kind of mistake that Raw made.

What’s about drone attacks once the targets are identified?

 

[LeGenD]

My friend I agree there is no proof but it is popular opinion and why do you think so many people have that impression.

Now say Cia is good is wrong. CIA is not good. It has been 19 years and still the war in Afghanistan continues. You cannot justify 2 decades of failure so if Cia is giving no result to USA then how is Cia capable of helpping Pakistan?

Cia is not. You cannot justify Cia with being capable cause faliure in Afghanistan is not something that happened once. It is happening for 19 years now continously. So anyone with such lengthy record of faliure can help someone else.

Bro,

People are generally ignorant and susceptible to narrative-building, and popular opinion is not necessarily true.

From United Nations:-

"Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), also known as the Pakistan Taliban, is an alliance of formerly disparate militant groups that came together in 2007 following Pakistan military operations against Al-Qaida-related (QDe.004) militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Formed under the leadership of Baitullah Mehsud, who has since died, TTP is rooted along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. Hakimullah Mehsud (QDi.286) became the group’s leader on Baitullah Mehsud’s death in August 2009, and Wali Ur Rehman (QDi.287) is TTP’s emir for the South Waziristan Agency. Some estimates suggest that TTP has between 30,000 and 35,000 members."

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctions_list/summaries/entity/tehrik-e-taliban-pakistan-(ttp)

Now that makes perfect sense. TTP movement did not emerge out of thin air in 2007 but in response to joint American-Pakistani operations against the then well-entrenched Al-Qaeda Network in the region. This explains why US officially declared TTP a terrorist organization and assassinated its founding father in Baitullah Mehsud in 2009 - a masterstroke which splintered this movement on the ground.

Link: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/07/baitullah-mehsud-dead-taliban-pakistan

CIA - good or bad?

LMAO, bro.

CIA is a ruthless organization without any doubt but it is not a rogue arm. It serves American National Security.

Although CIA and ISI have a lengthy history of cooperation in matters pertaining to Afghanistan, CIA is not forthcoming and transparent in its dealings with ISI to the extent ISI expected it to be (probability of double-crossing is always there); not sure if this is Pakistan-specific issue or CIA treat any foreign entity in similar manner. This element of mistrust have fueled narratives in Pakistan - understandably so.

CIA did not fail in Afghanistan. Primary American agenda was to destroy Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan and Pakistan. CIA absolutely delivered in this regard - mission accomplished (victory).

Why US failed in Afghanistan?

US failed to reform Afghanistan. I am not sure any country can. Kabul Regime failed to convince Afghan RURAL sectors that it can replace Afghan Taliban in serving their interests. This is why Afghan Taliban RESURGED but this happened in 2015 when much of NATO had left Afghanistan. Best aspect of Afghan Taliban is its ability to provide justice to people in swift and straightforward manner. People do not have to deal with expensive lawyers and delayed justice in governmental courts. Now US have no choice but to come to terms with religio-political legitimacy of Afghan Taliban.

Nevertheless, Afghan Taliban have to assure NATO that they will never work with the Al-Qaeda types again OR they have no political future in Afghanistan either.

Above all, endgame of WAR in Afghanistan have consequences for Pakistan as well. It is in our best interest to convince Afghan Taliban to publicily shun Al-Qaeda types and consider a deal with US in this regard.

 

[alibaz]

American assistance was in the form of INTEL sharing, assassinations of key TTP figures via UAVs, supply of arms and funds to Pakistani armed forces. Pakistan committed boots on the ground to disrupt and clear TTP from Pakistani territory - the part you highlighted. This is the holistic picture.

Both countries also collaborated to defeat Al-Qaeda Network in the region - another milestone.

ISI is good but isn't all-knowing and all-powerful. Pakistani FIA was also involved. WE should acknowledge facts as is.

US is not negotiating with TTP and such. US is negotiating with the representatives of much of RURAL Afghanistan (i.e. Afghan Taliban). Rural Afghan and Kabul Regime are having problems. I have explained this dynamic in my previous post.

US was never fighting against TTP, in fact it was their tool to twist our arm. Their target was TTA and Haqqanis. Whenever they killed any TTP leader that was their own purpose, may that be Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsood or Mullah Radio. They killed them once they either attempted to go beyond limits or they became useless. Yes there was intelligence sharing and supply of arms but that was part of the carrot.

 

[alibaz]

Bro,

There is difference between SUSPECTED and CONFIRMED. There is no proof that CIA created TTP - does not make sense because CIA assassinated Baitullah Mehsud in 2009, founding father of TTP movement and its most accomplished commander as well. This assassination splintered TTP movement on the ground and CIA assassinated additional number of key TTP figures while Pakistani armed forces cleared Pakistani territory from the TTP Rank and File (and more) over time.

Pakistani ISI and FIA and American CIA and NSA - these agencies were involved in COIN operations against TTP and Al-Qaeda Network across Pakistan and Afghanistan. ISI had a holistic role but FIA had a Pakistan-exclusive role in this matter.

I do not rule out the possibility of Indian RAW supporting TTP movement because India stands to gain the most from destruction of Pakistan. Indian RAW agency acts independently from American CIA and have its own rings in Iran and Afghanistan. Indian RAW agency have openly supported and funded groups such as BLA for instance, so why not TTP?

Americans destroyed a far bigger terrorist movement in ISIS across the Middle East. They are absolutely capable in the matters of COIN; they are fighting these type of groups since 2001.

American interests converge with Indian interests to certain extent but not at the expense of other options on the table. India have its own games and so do Americans.

Baitullah followed Abdullah a Guantanamo Bay detainee who was released after agreeing to fight against Pakistan and later committed suicide after being cordoned by Pakistani forces. Baitullah followed him and was killed by US drone after completing task of BB murder. I dont know what proof are you talking about. There is absolutely no doubt that TTP are/ were CIA, RAW and NDS assets.

Iran was a major player in destroying ISIS through its supported armed groups and governments.

 

[LeGenD]

US was never fighting against TTP, in fact it was their tool to twist our arm. Their target was TTA and Haqqanis. Whenever they killed any TTP leader that was their own purpose, may that be Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsood or Mullah Radio. They killed them once they either attempted to go beyond limits or they became useless. Yes there was intelligence sharing and supply of arms but that was part of the carrot.

Bro,

Study all about TTP in this link: https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mapp...tehrik-i-taliban-pakistan#highlight_text_8716

TTP stood in the way of nuetralizing Al-Qaeda Network in the region. Therefore, US assassinated every leader of TTP since 2009 and more.

Baitullah Mehsud - assassinated by CIA in 2009.

Hakimullah Mehsud - assassinated by CIA in 2013.

Maulana Fazlullah - assassinated by CIA in 2018.

Mufti Noor Wali Mehsud - recognized as one of the global terrorists by US in 2019 - he is on the hit list of CIA since. Only a matter of time.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/205379...hief-noor-wali-mehsud-global-terrorist/?amp=1

It is wrong to discredit assistance of US in this matter.

Both US and Pakistan accused each other for not doing much back in the days of COAS Parvez Kiyani. However, situation changed when COAS Raheel Sharif took charge of the affairs and liberated North Waziristan from militants. COAS Javed Bajwa is also acting against Al-Qaeda affiliates, and brought Afghan Taliban to the negotiation table. He is in the good books of Trump administration - his extension speak volumes.

I respect your views and I also acknowledge that WAR ON TERROR was/is dirty business. I completely agree that CIA cannot be trusted but CIA and RAW are not exactly two sides of the same coin.

Indian influence over Kabul Regime is an ugly reality but this matter is different from American agenda for Afghanistan. Pakistan and US can reach an understanding for suitable endgame in Afghanistan.

Baitullah followed Abdullah a Guantanamo Bay detainee who was released after agreeing to fight against Pakistan and later committed suicide after being cordoned by Pakistani forces. Baitullah followed him and was killed by US drone after completing task of BB murder. I dont know what proof are you talking about. There is absolutely no doubt that TTP are/ were CIA, RAW and NDS assets.

Benazir Bhutto's assassination is one of the most controversial developments in Pakistan. Asif Ali Zardari as well as disgruntled elements in the establishment are prime suspects. The most shocking part is that cover-up of the crime-scene occurred in broad daylight.


Guantanamo prisoners are/were all hardcore individuals. Some reformed themselves, some did not. Mixed situation.

Iran was a major player in destroying ISIS through its supported armed groups and governments.

Iran was never up to the task. Although Iran did what it could - credit where due.

US-Iraqi military duo in Iraq and US-SDF duo in Syria (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve) destroyed/routed ISIS across Iraq and Syria respectively. ISIS strongholds in both countries fell to US-led forces. USAF could hit ISIS anywhere and any point in time - a luxury which Iran did not had.

Russian disinformation campaign fooled and many on the other hand.

 

[Baby Leone]

Damn ..... what is going on?? It has been killing fields for the past few days. Who has that much power to kill trained terrorist all over A-Stan, and Iran?

Pak Army & ISI

 

[F86 Saber]

Some members are hoping that its SSG or black ops teams doing this hunting. Sorry to disappoint you but that's not how things work. There are no "James Bond 007" type agents on a GHQ payroll doing these killing sprees.

There are inherent fault lines in any armed terrorist groups due to money, power or control issues. ISI just exploits these fault lines and gets what it wants. Most of the time it's their own people doing it, The very guy having lunch with you today will fill your chest with lead if given the right incentive. That's exactly what ISI is doing creating and exploiting fault line to its advantage.

As the old saying goes "Lohay ko Loha hi kat ta hay". Best of luck to markhoors. Happy hunting

James Bond or other Hollywood spy movies dont even begin to scratch the surface of excitement, danger and action involved in the real game of espionage.