Husain Haqqani leaks secret order by Yousaf Raza Gillani

[Fledgingwings]

Both are Traitors !

 

[Solomon2]

Both are Traitors !

Who? Who decides who are traitors? The ISI? The IB? Parliament? An excited mob? An armed assassin? 'Cause I don't recall a Pakistani court arriving at such a verdict.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Who? Who decides who are traitors? The ISI? The IB? Parliament? An excited mob? An armed assassin? 'Cause I don't recall a Pakistani court arriving at such a verdict.

A PM who gets a necklace from Turk PM,s 1st lady as donation for earth quake affecties and gives that to his wife is a traitor and owe to those people.as for Haqqani,He is just a $$$$ Indulging B**ch.No wonder these people rob the country and settle in the west along with all their businesses.

 

[Solomon2]

A PM who gets a necklace from Turk PM,s 1st lady as donation for earth quake affecties and gives that to his wife -

That's embezzlement. By itself I don't see how that can be made out as "treason".

....as for Haqqani,He is just a $$$$ Indulging B**ch.No wonder these people rob the country and settle in the west along with all their businesses.

Nice. Can you also muster evidence to support your passionate hatred of the man or is your mere passion all the proof you think is necessary?

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Who? Who decides who are traitors? The ISI? The IB? Parliament? An excited mob? An armed assassin? 'Cause I don't recall a Pakistani court arriving at such a verdict.

People have the right to criticize their rulers and form opinions about their actions. Not everything we can say about our rulers has to be proven in a court. A verdict from court is needed only when punishing someone for an alleged crime. But it is not needed to form and voice a political stance about an individual.

So based on these revelations he has a democratic right to speak his mind and consider them as traitors.

 

[Vanamali]

Who? Who decides who are traitors? The ISI? The IB? Parliament? An excited mob? An armed assassin? 'Cause I don't recall a Pakistani court arriving at such a verdict.

Comon, on PDF anyone can be declared as traitor. Tell me who is not (except military chief current and previous)

 

[tarrar]

Hussain Haqqani is a professional traitor, the bastard is not even loyal to his treacherous gadari party.

The bastard has exposed gadari party from head to toe & there is no reason left on why PA should not operate against gadari party.

 

[Solomon2]

People have the right to criticize their rulers and form opinions about their actions. Not everything we can say about our rulers has to be proven in a court. A verdict from court is needed only when punishing someone for an alleged crime.

The current fashion in Pakistan is for people to apply capital punishment without a verdict from a court, yes? So throwing about terms like "treason" can have deadly effects. When the intent is to inspire murder, isn't that also a crime?

Hussain Haqqani is a professional traitor, the bastard is not even loyal to his treacherous gadari party.

I wasn't going to, but when I was last banned from PDF I decided to read his latest book. Very interesting commentary on U.S. - Pakistani affairs from Jinnah to his resignation and departure from Pakistan. Together with his previous book from 2005, H.H. argues that delusion, self-delusion, deception, bad faith, and mass hatred are tools employed by Pakistan's leadership for state purposes, while the ISI has become the arbiter of what is loyalty to the state; even though Pakistan no longer has a military government, its elected officials are subject to military governance. So because he has an alternative vision for a future Pakistan in which this is not the case makes him a "traitor" in the eyes of some in Pakistan's military establishment.

And, quite obviously, an ideal "fall guy" for the Pakistan military's failures.

Oh, one other reason why H.H. might be feared by Pakistan's military: while the ISI worked with the Americans on the terror war and drone strikes they tried to shut out Pakistan's civilian leadership from such information. However, the Americans passed most of what was happening to Pakistan's civilian leadership anyway. The implication is that since H.H. was Pakistan's U.S. ambassador he served as the natural conduit and therefore knows much that the ISI wants to keep secret from ordinary Pakistanis.

 

[Fledgingwings]

That's embezzlement. By itself I don't see how that can be made out as "treason".

Nice. Can you also muster evidence to support your passionate hatred of the man or is your mere passion all the proof you think is necessary?

Its not hatred !its anger ! because we have listened these lunatics and know how they behave in and outside pakistan.if you really want to prove me wrong I,ll take it but after you come here and see and listen for yourself.

 

[Solomon2]

Its not hatred !its anger ! because we have listened these lunatics and know how they behave in and outside pakistan.

It's good to know that you're aware of the lunacy. Problem is that lunacy is a tactic wielded by Pakistan's leaderships, both civilian and military, for their own purposes. For its part, the Pakmil has been working to undermine civilian politicians for decades so it's hard to tell what anger-inducing stuff is real and what is fake. Only restraint by the populace and increased accountability of Pakistan's governing institutions can treat these ailments.

 

[Fledgingwings]

It's good to know that you're aware of the lunacy. Problem is that lunacy is a tactic wielded by Pakistan's leaderships, both civilian and military, for their own purposes. For its part, the Pakmil has been working to undermine civilian politicians for decades so it's hard to tell what anger-inducing stuff is real and what is fake. Only restraint by the populace and increased accountability of Pakistan's governing institutions can treat these ailments.

Right ! You wont believe how much it hurts to know that common man is so helpless in this system.and not all the civilians wielded.Most pakistanis live in urban areas still suffering for basic education and services under fudalism.

 

[kris]

I don't see gillani's signature on this document so he will just deny it. Also, I don't believe such an order would have been issued without knowledge of the military/establishment.

Not taking sides, just stating the obvious.

Good observation.
There will be businesses rules in bureaucracy.
Officers will face the heat now
But if Secretary provides any evidence of orders from pm, he is finished

 

[TheDarkKnight]

The current fashion in Pakistan is for people to apply capital punishment without a verdict from a court, yes? So throwing about terms like "treason" can have deadly effects. When the intent is to inspire murder, isn't that also a crime?

What a fascist argument! Dont accuse these politicians of anything, without which nothing can be brought to the courts that may convict them, as they are in danger. Second of all which fashion are you talking about? If its about blasphemy then yes there are some examples where people have taken law in their hands - for that the blame lies to extremisim, social problems in our society and most of all a mostly dysfunctional criminal justice system. You cannot extrapolate the to save politicians from bieng accused or criticized by the general public from all forms of their alleged corruption or treasnous acts.
Has anyone taken law in their hand against a politician or former head of govt after being accused of treason?
If you want to look for 'fashions' why dont you start from where you live - worse was said about Obama and Hillary in the election campaign 'lock her up' slogans chanted openly in public - although quite extreme and regrettable but allowed under freedom of speech. What about fashion of gun violence and mass shootings - still anyone without background checks has the right to buy guns and assault rifles per the 2nd amendment. Bottom line is the responsibility of actions lies only on the individuals committing them; and you cannot curb rights of others because of a small number of people taking law in their hands - although precaution should be taken in some cases such as blasphemy in Pakistan.

 

[foxtrot1]

As we Indians were always mentioning Pakistan being one of the great allies of America, so you can see it yourself. There could be more revelations. No permission to grant Visa from MoI. This concludes that the level of American presence in Pakistan is very high.

Russia will be in vigil now and more cautious!

But if Secretary provides any evidence of orders from pm, he is finished

Why reveal now? Because of the SC judgement on Panama? Point to be analysed

 

[Solomon2]

What a fascist argument! Dont accuse these politicians of anything, without which nothing can be brought to the courts that may convict them, as they are in danger.

I never wrote "dont accuse these politicians of anything -". But accusing them of a capital crime, rather than embezzlement? In Pakistan that's incitement to murder, since Pakistan has an ugly record of vigilante and mob "justice".

Has anyone taken law in their hand against a politician or former head of govt after being accused of treason?

Why don't you study Pakistani history more to come up with an answer yourself?

Bottom line is the responsibility of actions lies only on the individuals committing them -

No. Incitement to murder is also a crime.

Right ! You wont believe how much it hurts to know that common man is so helpless in this system.and not all the civilians wielded.

Unclear. Edit, please.