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Huawei may starve overseas before it sells

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...starve-overseas-before-it-sells-idUSKCN24L0C3

HONG KONG (Reuters Breakingviews) - Huawei might starve before it sells its offshore assets. The Chinese telecoms kit maker is under renewed attack from Downing Street to Washington. Founder Ren Zhengfei has mulled divesting intellectual property, but overseas buyers for that, or for handset or network units, are few. Nor will Beijing permit a sale that looks like defeat.

Ren’s attempts to evade the Americans’ brawl with Beijing have failed. Despite protestations that it is privately owned, Chinese diplomats have made it clear that Huawei’s commercial interests are inseparable from its government’s diplomatic agenda. And Beijing threatened to punish Great Britain if it gave in to Washington’s push to pull Huawei equipment from UK networks – which it eventually did.

A big chunk of Huawei’s business is in the crossfire: the company generated over 40% of its $123 billion in revenue outside of China in 2019. But with its smartphones blocked from Google’s app store, its executives unable to get U.S. visas, and the certainty of sustained American pressure, spinning off overseas assets to preserve value looks increasingly attractive from a financial perspective.

Ren himself last year floated the idea of selling the company’s fifth generation telecommunications intellectual property. The United States has no 5G champion per se, but a firm like Cisco, say, could become one by acquiring Huawei’s patents. Westinghouse did something similar with its nuclear power technology in China.

U.S. officials shot that idea down, however. Huawei could try to sell its offshore network equipment businesses to Samsung Electronics, but with the Chinese out of the way, customers will welcome the South Korean giant regardless, to prevent an Ericsson-Nokia duopoly.

The bigger problem is domestic optics. Any sale might be trumpeted by the White House as a sign that Huawei, and by extension the Chinese government, has lost a round. Beijing can’t have that.

This might explain why the company is not offloading its offshore handset business, which is crippled by the embargo on Google tools. Instead it is pushing its own operating system called Harmony, riffing on the Chinese Communist Party’s “Harmonious Society” slogan. That is unlikely to take much share from Android. But even if Ren, a former military man, wanted to surrender, his commanders won’t let him.
 
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Why would Huawei sell its IP? It isn't starving for cash, it makes 50% more money than Sony. In fact if sales are blocked, holding IP is the best way to make money for Huawei. Why would it sell its revenue source?

https://www.gizmochina.com/2020/07/...targets-verizon-hp-cisco-patent-infringement/

It means the tech. And Huawei will get royalty on its IP. Nortel still earns royalties from its IP sold around the world. The company finally closed in 2007 FYI.
 
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It means the tech. And Huawei will get royalty on its IP. Nortel still earns royalties from its IP sold around the world. The company finally closed in 2007 FYI.

Huawei could license parts of its tech to others, but it is not short of cash. It won't sell the IP wholesale.
 
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Huawei could license parts of its tech to others, but it is not short of cash. It won't sell the IP wholesale.

Just telling selling of wholesale IP is not uncommon. Its pretty much common. Just like the ARM chip architecture.
Of course with the Chinese history of stealing IP from unsuspecting Russian and Western Companies, it doesn't want to be at the end of some one stealing which Huawei had mastered. Its understandable.
 
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Just telling selling of wholesale IP is not uncommon. Its pretty much common. Just like the ARM chip architecture.
Of course with the Chinese history of stealing IP from unsuspecting Russian and Western Companies, it doesn't want to be at the end of some one stealing which Huawei had mastered. Its understandable.

If anyone has a problem with Huawei's business practices they can take it to court. But Huawei has already settled all its IP related cases. For example anyone can sue Huawei in a EU court to block them from selling in the EU if they're actually guilty.

Not sure if that's possible in Indian court though, because India has explicitly ignored western patents.
 
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Huawei may starve overseas before it sells

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...starve-overseas-before-it-sells-idUSKCN24L0C3

HONG KONG (Reuters Breakingviews) - Huawei might starve before it sells its offshore assets. The Chinese telecoms kit maker is under renewed attack from Downing Street to Washington. Founder Ren Zhengfei has mulled divesting intellectual property, but overseas buyers for that, or for handset or network units, are few. Nor will Beijing permit a sale that looks like defeat.

Ren’s attempts to evade the Americans’ brawl with Beijing have failed. Despite protestations that it is privately owned, Chinese diplomats have made it clear that Huawei’s commercial interests are inseparable from its government’s diplomatic agenda. And Beijing threatened to punish Great Britain if it gave in to Washington’s push to pull Huawei equipment from UK networks – which it eventually did.

A big chunk of Huawei’s business is in the crossfire: the company generated over 40% of its $123 billion in revenue outside of China in 2019. But with its smartphones blocked from Google’s app store, its executives unable to get U.S. visas, and the certainty of sustained American pressure, spinning off overseas assets to preserve value looks increasingly attractive from a financial perspective.

Ren himself last year floated the idea of selling the company’s fifth generation telecommunications intellectual property. The United States has no 5G champion per se, but a firm like Cisco, say, could become one by acquiring Huawei’s patents. Westinghouse did something similar with its nuclear power technology in China.

U.S. officials shot that idea down, however. Huawei could try to sell its offshore network equipment businesses to Samsung Electronics, but with the Chinese out of the way, customers will welcome the South Korean giant regardless, to prevent an Ericsson-Nokia duopoly.

The bigger problem is domestic optics. Any sale might be trumpeted by the White House as a sign that Huawei, and by extension the Chinese government, has lost a round. Beijing can’t have that.

This might explain why the company is not offloading its offshore handset business, which is crippled by the embargo on Google tools. Instead it is pushing its own operating system called Harmony, riffing on the Chinese Communist Party’s “Harmonious Society” slogan. That is unlikely to take much share from Android. But even if Ren, a former military man, wanted to surrender, his commanders won’t let him.


Huawei could license it's tech to OPPO, Xiaomi, ZTE, etc.
 
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China and France commit to let Huawei invest in French 5G networks
Ross Cullen in Paris
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Chinese tech company Huawei will not be blocked from French investment. /Fred Dufour/AFP

China and France have committed to allow Huawei to invest in French 5G networks.

The French finance minister confirmed the news on Tuesday, saying the Chinese tech company will not be subject to a "blanket ban."

Bruno Le Maire said sites of particular sensitivity would be protected and French national security would not be comprised by the decision.

The announcement came as the two countries concluded their seventh annual High-Level Economic and Financial Dialogue.

Le Maire and Chinese vice-premier Hu Chunhua met virtually and the meeting covered a wide-range of topics, from climate change and biodiversity, to agriculture and nuclear power.



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French finance minister Bruno Le Maire, pictured at the National Assembly today, insists national security will not be compromised. /Alain Jocard/AFP



On 5G, the statement released at the end of the China-France talks read "Both sides will join efforts to secure a fair and non-discriminatory market environment, and encourage businesses from all countries to participate in the 5G network construction in line with market principles and security principles."

The meeting sought to build on the deals and agreements the two countries made last year, when China and France signed trade deals worth $15 billion
 
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China and France commit to let Huawei invest in French 5G networks
Ross Cullen in Paris
Share

mail@3x.png
copy@3x.png


06aaf71b90db452f9446d1cb3b189c5a.jpeg


Chinese tech company Huawei will not be blocked from French investment. /Fred Dufour/AFP

China and France have committed to allow Huawei to invest in French 5G networks.

The French finance minister confirmed the news on Tuesday, saying the Chinese tech company will not be subject to a "blanket ban."

Bruno Le Maire said sites of particular sensitivity would be protected and French national security would not be comprised by the decision.

The announcement came as the two countries concluded their seventh annual High-Level Economic and Financial Dialogue.

Le Maire and Chinese vice-premier Hu Chunhua met virtually and the meeting covered a wide-range of topics, from climate change and biodiversity, to agriculture and nuclear power.



56ea7490dfd04e5b8a559881a8a93488.jpeg


French finance minister Bruno Le Maire, pictured at the National Assembly today, insists national security will not be compromised. /Alain Jocard/AFP



On 5G, the statement released at the end of the China-France talks read "Both sides will join efforts to secure a fair and non-discriminatory market environment, and encourage businesses from all countries to participate in the 5G network construction in line with market principles and security principles."

The meeting sought to build on the deals and agreements the two countries made last year, when China and France signed trade deals worth $15 billion

Western Europe will never be going with Huawei anyways. The few countries left that are still considering Huawei are just gaslighting and waiting for Erikson to catch up.
 
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its his personal opinion. I am talking about French goverment minister.

also nothing is final. UK might back track too.

Pressure from Trump led to 5G ban, Britain tells Huawei
‘Geopolitical’ factors were behind the move, the company was told, with hints that the decision could be reversed in future

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...from-trump-led-to-5g-ban-britain-tells-huawei

We can simply see for ourselves in the end. Pretty sure its gaslighting by EU...a few members have been assigned to look like there's some debate about it.

China popularity % levels in western populations after all are going to hit single digits soon. Never seen anything quite like this before....how quick its been sunk.
 
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We can simply see for ourselves in the end. Pretty sure its gaslighting by EU...a few members have been assigned to look like there's some debate about it.

China popularity % levels in western populations after all are going to hit single digits soon. Never seen anything quite like this before....how quick its been sunk.
I will rather wait before saying Huawei is finished.

People say it will be new Nortel. But Nortel has other issues too. It was not Geo politics. They did accounting fraud and really bad management etc etc.
 
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I will rather wait before saying Huawei is finished.

People say it will be new Nortel. But Nortel has other issues too. It was not Geo politics. They did accounting fraud and really bad management etc etc.

Well ofc nortel is different haha, they were run like an absolute joke.

Huawei has huge political dimension and scale of industry to it.
 
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